2023-24 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Paulipau]

She generally lands her quads clean and rarely falls. Even with 0 GOE she's going to be a powerful scorer landing 3/3 quad attempts in the free program like in the GP Final. 3A is fairly stable as well. No-one else in world seniors or juniors has three quad attempts in a program.

Last season Petrosian:

		GOE
Russian GP Final	4F	Mostly 3
	4T+2A+SЕQ	Mostly 3
	4T	Mostly -2
Russia Champs	4Lo<< F
(coming off injury)	4T+2A+SЕQ	Mostly 3
	4T	Mostly 3
GP Stage 2	4T	Mostly -3
	4Lo F
	4T+2A+SЕQ	Mostly 3
Successfully jumped 5/9
Fell 2/9

Also add the Channel 1 Cup but couldn't find scoresheets. Landed 3A in each program then landed 4T+2A in the free, popped a 4T was 2T.

Compared to the gold standard jumper last season and the first GP of this one:

JGP Japan	4T<F
Triglav Trophy	No quad attempted
Junior World's	4Tq
Japan Champs	4T<F
Junior GP Final	4Tq
Junior Nationals	4T<F
JGP Poland I	4Tq
JGP Czechia	4T<F
Succesfully jumped 0/7
Fell 4/7

I still don't understand why are you comparing a senior skater (however young) with a 14 year old girl. They would not be competing against each other? Are you trying to prove some strange superiority? that's pointless as they are different age

I wouldn't send Adelia, they would dinge her on PCS and GOEs. Her jumps are small.
She won one JPG in the past but she was rather unmemorable comparing to Mura.

 

[Skating91]

What I am trying to say is that her GoE and clean executions might not be the same internationally as they are in Russia. So, all those positive grades would deflate, and once underrotaions accumulate, with low PCS, her scoring might be far lower than it appears. As an example, Kim with a 3A lost to Nakai who popped hers into a single. Also, take a look at the junior women this season with 3-2 combos scoring significantly higher than those who land 3-3s, because 3-3s are called. Same thing happens currently in men's singles, and even more pronounced, because PCSs are prorated even higher.

I agree, but Petrosian and the top Russian girls don't have a real problem with fully rotating jumps. Judges can't just start making it up. I'm sure they will give her 0 GOE on her triple axel rather than 2, but she lands them and does so clean.

That's why I included falls in the stats from last year because a fall is not something as subjective. Petrosian fell 2/9 attempts, the comparison I used fell 4/7 attempts. 22% vs 57% and let's not forget Petrosian is attempting much more difficult content so if she was only attempting a single quad in her free program she would have even better success rate.

Petrosian in her GP final free skate the base value was 84, at Worlds the winner of the free skate had a base value of 63, the overall winner 57. Petrosian has beautiful spins also. She has a lot of margin over potential international rivals.

 

[Skating91]

I still don't understand why are you comparing a senior skater (however young) with a 14 year old girl. They would not be competing against each other? Are you trying to prove some strange superiority? that's pointless as they are different age

Someone else brought up another skater as being the gold standard of jumping (which I agree with). I thought comparing Adelia's stats to the gold standard of jumping would be an interesting comparison. The stats show Adelia is quite good herself.

I wouldn't send Adelia, they would dinge her on PCS and GOEs. Her jumps are small.
She won one JPG in the past but she was rather unmemorable comparing to Mura.

They can only ding someone so much if the jumps are actually rotated which they generally are. They'll drag her down with PCS, but there's only so much they can do when you have someone attempting 2 or 3 quads and a triple axel in their program and landing them. PCS is pulled up by technical content.

Even if she gets dinged and received say 62 for PCS, a somehow a skater with fully rotated jumps and perfect spins receives only her base value of around 84. So that's 146 the best free skate at World's got 147 for the best skate in her life. In reality Adelia PCS will be high 60's at worst and receive at least an extra 10 points for technical content.

 

[icewhite]

What kind of discussion is this even?
1 I don't see any hints at all that there will be a Russian skater at next worlds.
2 If there was they would surely send the national champion whoever that is.
3 Why do you even think they would get lowballed? I never thought the Russian skaters in general were very overscored, but Eteri's pupils were, and actually I don't think she has lost much of her influence in the skating world. Just recently there were "intimate" photos with Rizzo's father and the Hendrickx' camp. Nika Egadze was not lowballed during the recent Lombardia Trophy. Diana Davis recevied very decent scores at her only competition so far despite or because of being Eteri's daughter.
The judging in PCS has changed internationally, and I'm not sure what to make of it currently, but there is clearly a tendency to judge the PCS more independently from the TES and to be stricter in general. The scores have sometimes been so low that people were screaming that everybody was lowballed. I don't think there is a need to interprete everything in the light of Russian skating though, even if the Russians aren't there.
I think it has simply been realized that the higher and higher scores cannot go on, because at one point you would have lots of people with 9s and 10s and there would not be a distinction anymore between people with really good skating skills and programs and people who aren't. If the PCS (and levels) are supposed to have any kind of relevance you therefor need to be stricter and more accurate. However my feeling is that this has not yet reached all judges, especially not all of those more present at smaller events. If they were allowed back in I suppose a skater like Mozalev would actually profit from this slight change in judging that seems to be taking place. In women's likely Muravieva - but yeah, due to several reasons I'm not sure a Plushenko skater would be appreciated as much as an Eteri skater. But does anybody think they would send Muravieva anyway in case Petrosyan became champion?

 

[lariko]

What kind of discussion is this even?
1 I don't see any hints at all that there will be a Russian skater at next worlds.
2 If there was they would surely send the national champion whoever that is.
3 Why do you even think they would get lowballed? I never thought the Russian skaters in general were very overscored, but Eteri's pupils were, and actually I don't think she has lost much of her influence in the skating world. Just recently there were "intimate" photos with Rizzo's father and the Hendrickx' camp. Nika Egadze was not lowballed during the recent Lombardia Trophy. Diana Davis recevied very decent scores at her only competition so far despite or because of being Eteri's daughter.
The judging in PCS has changed internationally, and I'm not sure what to make of it currently, but there is clearly a tendency to judge the PCS more independently from the TES and to be stricter in general. The scores have sometimes been so low that people were screaming that everybody was lowballed. I don't think there is a need to interprete everything in the light of Russian skating though, even if the Russians aren't there.
I think it has simply been realized that the higher and higher scores cannot go on, because at one point you would have lots of people with 9s and 10s and there would not be a distinction anymore between people with really good skating skills and programs and people who aren't. If the PCS (and levels) are supposed to have any kind of relevance you therefor need to be stricter and more accurate. However my feeling is that this has not yet reached all judges, especially not all of those more present at smaller events. If they were allowed back in I suppose a skater like Mozalev would actually profit from this slight change in judging that seems to be taking place. In women's likely Muravieva - but yeah, due to several reasons I'm not sure a Plushenko skater would be appreciated as much as an Eteri skater. But does anybody think they would send Muravieva anyway in case Petrosyan became champion?

It doesn't matter, like you said, and they will send national champion when this happens, and who it's going to be at that point of anyone's guess.

I only caught short program on TS so far and Petrosyan had a cool program. I also liked very much Sinitsyna, and Zhilina and Gorbacheva's programs. Personally, I would have wanted Frolova there tbh more than some of the other entries. I was quite impressed by how well Zhilina's program was prepared for her this year.

 

[Mathematician]

It doesn't matter, like you said, and they will send national champion when this happens, and who it's going to be at that point of anyone's guess.

I only caught short program on TS so far and Petrosyan had a cool program. I also liked very much Sinitsyna, and Zhilina and Gorbacheva's programs. Personally, I would have wanted Frolova there tbh more than some of the other entries. I was quite impressed by how well Zhilina's program was prepared for her this year.

Wait 'till you see Petrosian's FS.

I also love Frolova, she performed recently her SP and will perform FS tomorrow. Live streams here: https://youtube.com/@38-studio?si=pkoCQly8QsXMux_c

You will need to sift through the streams; individual performances aren't up yet but if you want to wait a few days I'm sure someone will upload her's as usual.

 

[lariko]

Wait 'till you see Petrosian's FS.

I also love Frolova, she performed recently her SP and will perform FS tomorrow. Live streams here: https://youtube.com/@38-studio?si=pkoCQly8QsXMux_c

You will need to sift through the streams; individual performances aren't up yet but if you want to wait a few days I'm sure someone will upload her's as usual.

Yes, I saw Frolova's SP there, that's why I thought she could have been a better candidate for the test skates.

 

[Mathematician]

Yes, I saw Frolova's SP there, that's why I thought she could have been a better candidate for the test skates.

I just watched it. Her SP was great. Definitely would rather have seen her over a couple of the skaters that were there.

As much as I loved her FS, its always kind of disappointing when a skater keeps it for a second season. Always fun to see when a good skater comes up with something new.

 

[MiraiFan]

I also love Frolova, she performed recently her SP and will perform FS tomorrow. Live streams here: https://youtube.com/@38-studio?si=pkoCQly8QsXMux_c

You will need to sift through the streams; individual performances aren't up yet but if you want to wait a few days I'm sure someone will upload her's as usual.

Thank you!

 

[alexocfp]

Frolova’s SP is so awesome. That’s why I said you need to go out of your way to see it.

 

[MiraiFan]

Frolova’s SP is so awesome. That’s why I said you need to go out of your way to see it.

I cannot find it on that YouTube page--can anyone share a link to the correct playlist? Thanks!

 

[Azikin]

I cannot find it on that YouTube page--can anyone share a link to the correct playlist? Thanks!

SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6309&v=7M-dlUOpxz8&feature=youtu.be
FS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=8449&v=cZ_Vr6XtRds&feature=youtu.be

 

[RatedPG]

SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6309&v=7M-dlUOpxz8&feature=youtu.be
FS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=8449&v=cZ_Vr6XtRds&feature=youtu.be

She was so good!! One of my faves!!!
I’ve never seen her skate two programs back to back, as good as she did here.

 

[streams4dreams]

She was so good!! One of my faves!!!
I’ve never seen her skate two programs back to back, as good as she did here.

Oh, I didn't know that, but it explains why she was so, so happy after the free. Well done to her!

 

[Mariiiiskate]

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Anna has restored her triple-triples, so nice seeing her jumping them.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Yametova new SP. First appearance after her injury.

 

[AlexBreeze]

And Akatieva's first appearance after her withdrawal from test skates. She restored her triples.

 

[RatedPG]

Yametova new SP. First appearance after her injury.

Wow!! Good for her!! Although last years program was a masterpiece. This program works better for her, to get more points. She has a better step sequence. I think this is the first time she surpassed 40 in TES. I hope that if she ties ultra-c athletes, in TES, that she surpasses them due to her skating skills.

 

[Azikin]

And Akatieva's first appearance after her withdrawal from test skates. She restored her triples.

Shame it's in the darkness..

 

[Mathematician]

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Anna has restored her triple-triples, so nice seeing her jumping them.

Much smoother than I would expect, I thought she was finished but that 3-3 looked competitive.