And the other two GP’s was won by Adelia; So, essentially, it is just one ultra-c lady so far.
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Stage 3 was one of the highest quality competitions I have watched no-one in the top 4 made an error in the free skate they performed to their maximum.
It's been some what to do with scheduling Sinitsyna was fortunate for Sadkova to be the only one she had to beat, Frolova extraordinarily fortunate with who she was up against.
She's only landed one clean ultra-c jump as well.
Juniors are strong but none of them may ever skate internationally and if they do they will have to wait until 17 for seniors. It's some what pointless perfecting them when 95% of them have lost most of their ultra-c by in their first senior season.
It would be better to just ban ultra-c altogether for women if we truly want to protect them because they still beat themselves up at junior level.
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Well someone needs to go with him and shes Georgian so
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Adeliia landed 2 ultra C. Banning ultra C from women would make it really boring and also unfair for girls who are built for speed and lightness over stability.
Yeah it's nice. Even in juniors two won without ultra-C.
But i don't have my hopes high for them at nats, especially if the sick bay empties. And by then, i wouldn't be surprised that some stabilize the jumps they fell on or avoided (Muravieva, Sadkova, Gorbacheva, etc.).
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I think you realize this is about Diana and her potential medal on the Olympic team? I have no doubt that Eteri took up the training of a guy from the Georgian national team for this reason
The longer they are absent, the more I appreciate TShchK era. We may have witnessed unique greatness.
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Nika has been with Team Tutberidze for way longer than Diana's switch to Georgia was even a serious thought. This is his 7th season with them after all.
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And that reason is important, too. Maybe she just likes traveling to international competitions
If she can make the effort to fly to Allen, Texas from Moscow to watch her Georgian skater, then she can make the short flight to Samara to watch and coach her best in the world skaters.
Standards have completely fallen away. I'm now seeing that Valieva in addition to the photoshoots last week and Medvedeva's party on weekend, has an appearance scheduled in Ulyanovsk tomorrow. Would this ever have happened in the past? She'll probably still score close to 80 in the short program operating at 70% of her capacity which is impressive, and motivation has probably been chipped away given what she has endured (all her effort last season and this might be for nothing in the end that has to play on someone's mind especially a child's).
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Frolova also returned after a stress fracture, and, like, better than ever.
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That's not different from seniors.
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I won’t speculate on what may or may not be going on at TT, but I will just repeat something I said years ago: dynasties don’t last forever. Other schools were bound to catch up.
The standard was set so high that it was impossible to maintain infinitely.
And when you win as often and as convincingly as they did, complacency isn’t out of the equation.
You also won’t get Anna and Kamila every time either. Getting one world class skater is hard enough, having 5 or 6 isn’t commonplace. That era, very possibly, won’t ever be replicated.
I’ve always been a TT cheerleader as is well documented, but even I always advocated for more schools to develop top class skaters. It makes for better competition and makes it better for the viewer.
I don’t follow non Russian skating currently in any way, but I saw a post on one of the Russian skating site that a ISU GP was won with a score of 205ish. If that’s true, then the state of Russian ladies isn’t as dire as people think.
We went from a Legend of Legends in Anna to the good/great that we have now. The level is still pretty damn high, but it’s not the highs we got accustomed too.
That’s part of sports. When Novak and Nadal finally retire, those left behind are still solid tennis players, but it won’t be the same until the new legends emerge.
As a viewer, it’s been good to see so much parity and wide open fields even if the skating hasn’t been as good or exciting as it was a few years back.
And anecdotally, other people also feel the same way. The buzz in the arenas isn’t like it was, the stuffed animals on the ice are significantly less, as are the banners the fans display to name a few. Go back a few years and see the noise that was made not even during competition, but during the warm ups.
Compare the number of posts here to its peak. I remember that it was rare to go a few hours without something being posted.
Major rule changes, like the age being raised, need a few years for the great coaches to figure it out. And they will, there will be 20 plus year olds landing quads in no time.
The previous major rule change ushered in a new era in this sport, as it become way more athletic, faster and more technical than ever before. There was a bigger technical jump the last 10 years than there were the last 40 before.
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Looks like position on Christmas wish list rather than reality.
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Well, they're not catching up, Eteri juniors are still the best in all age categories. Maybe with some exceptions like Kostyleva but she's a story by itself and she used to train there too, anyway. But sure, Anna and Kamila are truly unique, they're hard to replace, of course.
As for lower number of posts and why this thread looks like a ghost town now, that's mainly because a lot of people left these forums, there have been several massive exoduses in the past years...
With 5/6 of the stages completed and three more (four including the junior championship) events of consequence remaining, what kind of GOE would we give the officials for their performance over the preceding 5 stages of the women's competition.
I have to say, in women's the scoring is very consistent, very fair, makes sense. In the first round there was a lot of fuss made about Adelia's 3A that probably should have got a q, but I've seen that kind of overlooked multiple time for a single skater in a single program in other events, so not ideal, we strive for improvement, but sometimes mistakes happen. Maybe the PCS could have been a tiny bit higher for Ageeva but I'm talking a point or two, not five to 10 points as I have seen at times where the PCS is simply unexplainable.
I give them a +4.
It's probably the least frustrating series I watch. There's so much to like about this series, it is too bad it is over so quickly. I feel like 9 stages with three appearances at each would work better, maybe take the three extra stages to remote cities even if the arenas are tiny (and just take senior women's and men's events).
It can only help the skaters to have the extra event.
I have to say, in women's the scoring is very consistent, very fair, makes sense. In the first round there was a lot of fuss made about Adelia's 3A that probably should have got a q, but I've seen that kind of overlooked multiple time for a single skater in a single program in other events, so not ideal, we strive for improvement, but sometimes mistakes happen. Maybe the PCS could have been a tiny bit higher for Ageeva but I'm talking a point or two, not five to 10 points as I have seen at times where the PCS is simply unexplainable.
I give them a +4.
It's probably the least frustrating series I watch. There's so much to like about this series, it is too bad it is over so quickly. I feel like 9 stages with three appearances at each would work better, maybe take the three extra stages to remote cities even if the arenas are tiny (and just take senior women's and men's events).
It can only help the skaters to have the extra event.
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Adeliia got more than just a free 3A. She got +GOE for hand on ice which is utterly inexcusable to even happen once. Maiia's overscoring was also hilarious. I know you thought she deserved better PCS than Mura in her first stage or something but as funny as I think that is we dont even have to address it, considering she also got the same PCS as Gushchina last stage in FS for a disaster skate which nobody can possibly defend. There really were zero redeeming qualities for her that day. Judging in Kazan was good but we gave them too much credit, they scapegoated Valieva to seem unbiased because she dropped an irredeemable disasterclass anyways.
They were not always terrible. I wouldnt give them negative GOE compared to international judges. But the Eteri worship was still blatant. Actually dont know how Petrosian got +3 or something for hand on ice its literally shocking. She also consistently URs and just had messy landings but got treated like prime Yuna in those early stages. Shes my favourite this season by the way so I'm actually bias for her but I'm just being honest here.
Cant really remember much from Juniors but there were some severe inconsistencies. Especially in PCS. I dont have any specific examples.
Maybe +1 for judges.
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The question is what would Sinitsina or Frolova get in international competitions? probably 205ish-210ish tops...
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There is a point there. Sinitsina was overscored pretty hard but she is also not in peak shape. Evidently her StSq and choreo especially are extremely rough and she admitted it herself. I think in peak form though pushing 220 internationally is reasonable. She also claims she will jump ultra-c this season (maybe for Nats?) so we cant judge her yet.
I also think Frolova in her 2nd stage showed potential to beat out Kaori on a good day. Especially with Kaori's sub-par programs this season.
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