2024 CS Lombardia Trophy Pairs Short Program

[Sabine]

Lombardia Trophy has deeply unserious scoring for Italian skaters a lot of the time - Or maybe I'm biased because P/S and H/K have had very good twists historically... And the Italians have not.

We have to wait for some videos, but G/A have just done a CS in NY and the twist didn't look that much better than usual.

 

[4everchan]

Lombardia Trophy has deeply unserious scoring for Italian skaters a lot of the time - Or maybe I'm biased because P/S and H/K have had very good twists historically... And the Italians have not.

Either 3 of us from this thread are biased or some judges are... in the end, someone is biased

 

[Ichatdelune]

my joke was bout OK = OKAY but yeah.. i am sensitive too about names... nobody can say mine properly unless they speak French.

Oh I got the joke, I was just too agitated to answer. Meanwhile I wonder, will my 3 years of high school French let me pronounce your name somewhat passingly?

 

[4everchan]

Oh I got the joke, I was just too agitated to answer. Meanwhile I wonder, will my 3 years of high school French let me pronounce your name somewhat passingly?

OK it depends how you can pronounce vowels... and i don't want to reveal more about my own name but right now, some of the vowel sounds in French are lost... especially by Parisians

 

[Ichatdelune]

OK it depends how you can pronounce vowels... and i don't want to reveal more about my own name but right now, some of the vowel sounds in French are lost... especially by Parisians

Oh 100% no intention to pry, I just got curious. I can't say I can tell the difference between Quebec French and Parisian French (and my French is neither) but in general, I have problems with the nasal vowels, like 'eu' or 'oe', but the rest I think I'm understandable?

 

[readernick]

In Korean, Japanese, Chinese (Mandarin plus others used on the continent), Hungarian, and maybe a few other languages, the natural order of names is surname-given name. I don't use the term 'last name' for people from said cultures because, well, it's not your 'last' name. We follow 'Western' convention in international situations because we're the minority, but I do prefer it when people use the right order. Olly Hogben is a great example of doing this, he says 'Cha Junhwan' instead of 'Junhwan Cha' if you listen to his commentary during Beijing 2022.

Yes, I think surname or family name is a better choice. I am not sure that is right to say that the Eastern Asian tradition is the "minority" as most people around the world do not follow a Western tradition when it comes to naming. For instance, in addition to family names coming first in North East Asia, many cultures people only have one name or multiple personal names. In most parts of Indonesia, parts of Malaysia, parts of India, Afganistan, Tibet, Mongolia etc.... the concept of a surname or family name does not traditionally exist.

So, I actually think in this case there is no such thing as a majority. Commentators should be more respectful of these differences. Proper pronunciation of every name is likely impossible for 99.9% of speakers because there will always be some sounds/tones that can't be properly pronounced by that speaker regardless of their native tongue but putting a name in the right order is certainly in the reach of all of us...

Off topic, sorry....

 

[Sabsi]

I‘m back

 

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Go Lara

 

[Sabsi]

wow wrong thread…

 

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