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2024 Japanese Nationals - Men's SP

Since I apparently have too much time on my hands, I compared the start numbers of this year's SP for both the men's and women's events to last year's. (Or: I did the women's because I was tinfoil-hatting and then it was fun to analyze so I did the men, too. :p) Here are some absolutely meaningless things that I learned from this analysis:

- Only one skater has drawn the exact same start position as last year: Yuma Kagiyama, skating 28th. One can hope this is a favorable position for him since he did very well last year. :p

- Several other skaters were only one or two start places removed from the one they drew last year: Shun Sato (23 last yer -> 24 this year), Tatsuya Tsuboi (20 last year -> 21 this year), and Kao Miura (22nd last year -> 20th this year) are the ones I noticed.

- 33% of this year's competitors did not compete at last year's Nationals. The newcomers (or returners) this year are Shunya Matsuoka, Shuntaro Asaga, Shun Uemura, Shun Kobayashi, Ryushin Yamada, Ryusei Kikuchi, Ryoto Mori, Nobunari Oda, Haruto Toda, and Haruki Honda.

- There are also three Shuns, a Shuntaro, a Shunsuke, and a Shunya in this field. That's 1/5 of the field with a Shun- name, so I guess those were super popular between ~1998 and 2007...:laugh: (I am reading the results in English but are they all the same kanji...?)

- If you were to try to use the start places of last year's SP leaders to arbitrarily predict this year's results, the top three after the SP would be:
1. Sota Yamamoto (st. 29, same as 2023 leader Shoma Uno)
2. Tatsuya Tsuboi (st. 21, same as 2023 2nd place Sota Yamamoto)
3. Yuma Kagiyama (st. 28, his own start place from last year when he was also 3rd)

- And if you were to go by the overall medalists' SP start positions, you would get:
1. Sota Yamamoto (st. 29, same as 2023 winner Shoma Uno)
2. Yuma Kagiyama (st. 28, same as last year when he won silver)
3. Tatsuya Tsuboi (st. 21, same as 2023 bronze medalist Sota Yamamoto)

Which...while I wouldn't necessarily expect it, would not be at all out of the realm of possibility? So there actually might be some merit to this method of predicting results :p

I have no idea why I enjoy crunching meaningless numbers so much, but this was fun :p I will be very curious to see if anything about the start order is remotely predictive, other than the fact that a lot of the strongest skaters tend to end up clustered in the later warmup groups.
 

1. 松岡 隼矢 Shunya Matsuoka (Fukuoka Figure Academy)​

SP: “East of Eden” by Lee Holdridge; choreo. by Tomoyuki Kuriyama

3Lz+2T (pops open on 2T but landed cleanly)
3Sq (holds on)
FCSp4
CSSp3
1A* (wonky pop open, turns out)
StSq2
CCoSp4

SP: 53.48

This is skater number 1 of 59 for me in the next 8 hours or so. Right now, I'm optimistic. I see many sparkles with the men and we are opening with a great music choice. It really can't be overstated the depth of talent Japan has, and even though this wasn't Shunya's best jump day, he has lovely open posture and does a great job using his neckline to accentuate the music.
 
Aaaand I missed the first guy because I was looking at a spreadsheet...heh. East of Eden?
 
I can finally watch LIVE.
Thank you so much!! ❤️
I’m so used to checking this chat for updates and refreshing every ten minutes, for Sectionals.
So refreshing to finally watch the event with my own eyes…. And see the actual skates without having to wait a day later for the links to the skates.
Love how organized the Japanese are
 

1. 松岡 隼矢 Shunya Matsuoka (Fukuoka Figure Academy)​

SP: “East of Eden” by Lee Holdridge; choreo. by Tomoyuki Kuriyama

3Lz+2T (pops open on 2T but landed cleanly)
3Sq (holds on)
FCSp4
CSSp3
1A* (wonky pop open, turns out)
StSq2
CCoSp

SP:

This is skater number 1 of 60 for me in the next 8 hours or so. Right now, I'm optimistic. I see many sparkles with the men and we are opening with a great music choice. It really can't be overstated the depth of talent Japan has, and even though this wasn't Shunya's best jump day, he has lovely open posture and does a great job using his neckline to accentuate the music.
Me too!! I will probably only watch the Men’s event, as I will easily fall asleep in three hours. But, we will see. 1/60 ✅
 
Since I apparently have too much time on my hands, I compared the start numbers of this year's SP for both the men's and women's events to last year's. (Or: I did the women's because I was tinfoil-hatting and then it was fun to analyze so I did the men, too. :p) Here are some absolutely meaningless things that I learned from this analysis:

- Only one skater has drawn the exact same start position as last year: Yuma Kagiyama, skating 28th. One can hope this is a favorable position for him since he did very well last year. :p

- Several other skaters were only one or two start places removed from the one they drew last year: Shun Sato (23 last yer -> 24 this year), Tatsuya Tsuboi (20 last year -> 21 this year), and Kao Miura (22nd last year -> 20th this year) are the ones I noticed.

- 33% of this year's competitors did not compete at last year's Nationals. The newcomers (or returners) this year are Shunya Matsuoka, Shuntaro Asaga, Shun Uemura, Shun Kobayashi, Ryushin Yamada, Ryusei Kikuchi, Ryoto Mori, Nobunari Oda, Haruto Toda, and Haruki Honda.

- There are also three Shuns, a Shuntaro, a Shunsuke, and a Shunya in this field. That's 1/5 of the field with a Shun- name, so I guess those were super popular between ~1998 and 2007...:laugh: (I am reading the results in English but are they all the same kanji...?)

- If you were to try to use the start places of last year's SP leaders to arbitrarily predict this year's results, the top three after the SP would be:
1. Sota Yamamoto (st. 29, same as 2023 leader Shoma Uno)
2. Tatsuya Tsuboi (st. 21, same as 2023 2nd place Sota Yamamoto)
3. Yuma Kagiyama (st. 28, his own start place from last year when he was also 3rd)

- And if you were to go by the overall medalists' SP start positions, you would get:
1. Sota Yamamoto (st. 29, same as 2023 winner Shoma Uno)
2. Yuma Kagiyama (st. 28, same as last year when he won silver)
3. Tatsuya Tsuboi (st. 21, same as 2023 bronze medalist Sota Yamamoto)

Which...while I wouldn't necessarily expect it, would not be at all out of the realm of possibility? So there actually might be some merit to this method of predicting results :p

I have no idea why I enjoy crunching meaningless numbers so much, but this was fun :p I will be very curious to see if anything about the start order is remotely predictive, other than the fact that a lot of the strongest skaters tend to end up clustered in the later warmup groups.
Haven't had a chance to read your entire post yet but~
JSF designs the SP draw with the intention of having the higher ranking skaters in the last two warmup groups 😊
 

2. 小林 隼 Shun Kobayashi (Doshisha University)​

SP: "Fall on Me" by Andrea Bocelli and Matteo Bocelli, choreo. by Keiichiro Sasahara

2A
3Lz (off-axis, holds on/turns out)
FCSp4
CSSp3
3F<+COMBO (slips off edge, falls)
StSq2
CCoSp3

SP: 45.96 (2nd)

A bit of a disaster jumps-wise but it was a very lovely step sequence :console:
 
Haven't had a chance to read your entire post yet but~
JSF designs the SP draw with the intention of having the higher ranking skaters in the last two warmup groups 😊
I was wondering about that! No wonder the podiums that I was getting looked so reasonable :p It felt a lot more all over the place when I did the women's comparison...they tend to be a bit more unpredictable I guess?
 
Why does the JNats KnC look so much better than all the GPs... even the Japanese one? 🤔
 
Shuntaro's costume is doing very stylish things with ruffles and I have to give whoever made it props because I can count the number of ruffly-shirt costumes I've seen that have actually worked on one hand. :p

Edit now that I've seen it in action: the way the cutouts are done is also very clever. Great example of a way that non-sparkly costumes can avoid being boring :hap10:
 

3. 朝賀 俊太朗 Shuntaro Asaga (Kansai University) JR 5th​

SP: "The Fire Within" by Jennifer Thomas; choreo by Kohei Yoshino

3A (steps out)
3Lz+3T
FCSp4
3F (on the music)
CSSp4
StSq3
CCoSp4

SP: 67.58 (1st)

Ahhh, such a good skate! He looked like he couldn't miss in the six-minute warmup, and he delivered here again aside from a little bobble on the 3A! I loved the choreography and his intensity throughout as well, that 3F on the music was so good and I adore that pssion throughout the steps.
 
I have reached the stage in my development as a skating fan where I will decide to stan someone on the basis of their haircut. Haruto Toda, you have one magnificent haircut.

On a less shallow note haha, I've never seen most of the earlier guys, so it's super fun to discover new ones to root for! I love Haruto's energy and commitment. Jumps aren't quite there but he looks like he's having a great time and I love that <3
 

4. 戸田 晴登 Haruto Toda (Toyo University)​

SP: "Bones;" choreo. by Misao Sato

3Lz
3S+COMBO+1T* (steps out of sal)
FCSp4
2A
StSq2
CSSp3 (struggles near end of spin)
CCoSp3

SP: 53.34 (3rd)

It's a shame about the combo but Haruto is a very good spinner and has good speed across the ice, and he looked like he was enjoying the skate hte whole time.
 
I have reached the stage in my development as a skating fan where I will decide to stan someone on the basis of their haircut. Haruto Toda, you have one magnificent haircut.
We do not have to have logical reasons for who and where we love :laugh: and yes he does!
 
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