2025 World Championships Men's Free Skate

[cailuj365]

Why 87 specifically? Do you mind elaborating a little bit on that? Would love to hear reasoning, the more specific the better

Heh, wouldn't we just love judges to elaborate more on that? Is there any real *reasoning* in subjective scoring? When the ISU just has "8-8.75" as "very good," what does that mean? Your "very good" and my "very good" are probably very different.

To try to answer your question though, for the FS, I would just give the composition an 8.25 (maaaybe 8.50), his presentation 9.00, and his skating skills 8.50. I guess that averages to 8.58-8.67, so he might lose an additional 0.3-1.2 points from my original 87. But I don't know, he went last, he's the world champ, he's skating at home and he did pretty well and the crowd went wild, so if I were a judge in the TD Garden, I probably would find some emotional reason to give an extra 1 point somewhere too (not saying that's right, but judges are human).

I think this was kind of interesting though from the ISU, when it talked about originality and its role in PCS: "If the skaters believe in what they do, if they are involved in the music and the program, they will be unique; they will be able to give life to the composition in a personal way – in their own way." That is probably what gives Ilia a little bit more PCS, even in composition.

Do I think skaters like Junhwan are significantly underscored in PCS though? Yeah, definitely. I think the problem is that other skaters should be getting more PCS than they do, whereas Ilia should be getting less, but I don't think his marks are too far off either. This is just my opinion, and I know many others disagree.

 

[TontoK]

I'm a bit confused as to why Yuma was so tense about the 3 spots though. Shun had skated before him already and did well, 6th at worst. Yuma would have had to slide all the way to 9th for them not to get 3 spots outright. He had such a big lead on the rest of the field. But I guess I can't say what is going through someone's head when they know they didn't skate well and they feel like they let themselves and their federation down.

He probably didn't know how well others had skated or where Shun Sato stood in the standings, or what placement/points he needed to keep the spots.

All he knew was that he had skated a real clunker, and he was probably disoriented, and in a bit of shock. In that moment, he probably wasn't "doing the math" to factor in his short program. I mean did anyone predict he'd finish 10th in the free skate? Not me, and probably not him either.

 

[4everchan]

Didn't they do "The Entrance" at the Paris Olympics? I definitely remember for swimming events. They didn't need to ham it up, just entering as they chose was fun.

I think it's been done for a while in swimming. It's not a Paris Olympics thing.

I also like "The Entrance" for another reason: it is fairer to all the skaters for applause. No comparing applause like with "The Lineup". Not that I would ever do that

That's true.

The Leaders Chair can be safely disposed of however. Although I did love Deniss V.'s sportsmanship in giving Jason a prolonged standing ovation with the rest of the crowd.

I liked the top three couch from the past.. they did that at worlds in Montreal and it was very fun to see Adam stay on that couch for hours
I think the leader chair is not as fun and looks awkward. Other sports do that kind of stuff you know like moguls, downhill... skiers at the top of the food chain (top 3) remain at the bottom of the hill until they get passed.


So my point : I am okay with the entrance but the running makes me fear that someone will fall just before competing and that would be tragic.

The "new ideas" to make the sport more approachable or popular are not at all original when considering other sports... Maybe figure skating should be a bit more creative... doesn't everyone call it the "artistic sport " ... so far, the only creative process seems to be in the scoring

 

[4everchan]

Heh, wouldn't we just love judges to elaborate more on that? Is there any real *reasoning* in subjective scoring? When the ISU just has "8-8.75" as "very good," what does that mean? Your "very good" and my "very good" are probably very different.

To try to answer your question though, for the FS, I would just give the composition an 8.25 (maaaybe 8.50), his presentation 9.00, and his skating skills 8.50. I guess that averages to 8.58-8.67, so he might lose an additional 0.3-1.2 points from my original 87. But I don't know, he went last, he's the world champ, he's skating at home and he did pretty well and the crowd went wild, so if I were a judge in the TD Garden, I probably would find some emotional reason to give an extra 1 point somewhere too (not saying that's right, but judges are human).

I think this was kind of interesting though from the ISU, when it talked about originality and its role in PCS: "If the skaters believe in what they do, if they are involved in the music and the program, they will be unique; they will be able to give life to the composition in a personal way – in their own way." That is probably what gives Ilia a little bit more PCS, even in composition.

Do I think skaters like Junhwan are significantly underscored in PCS though? Yeah, definitely. I think the problem is that other skaters should be getting more PCS than they do, whereas Ilia should be getting less, but I don't think his marks are too far off either. This is just my opinion, and I know many others disagree.

That's generous but just my opinion.
I agree with you that presentation is higher than the other two scores.... but I am not sure it's a 9 nor that his skating skills are at 8.5 . Very few skaters get above 8.5 in skating skills and some of them are fabulous. I would put Ilia in the middle of the pack for skating skills and compositions and in the top group for presentation for what he did at worlds, not because he skated so well (let's not pretend that this was as good as Montreal worlds because it wasn't) but because many skaters faltered.

Personally, I'd put him close to 8 in skating skills and composition and at most 8.5 in presentation... 80-82 PCS would be my score for what I saw. Last year at Montreal worlds, the program worked better and was skated better and I'd be fine with 87-88 PCS for it, but not this year.

 

[Dr. Jenn]

I think it's been done for a while in swimming. It's not a Paris Olympics thing.

That's true.

I liked the top three couch from the past.. they did that at worlds in Montreal and it was very fun to see Adam stay on that couch for hours
I think the leader chair is not as fun and looks awkward. Other sports do that kind of stuff you know like moguls, downhill... skiers at the top of the food chain (top 3) remain at the bottom of the hill until they get passed.


So my point : I am okay with the entrance but the running makes me fear that someone will fall just before competing and that would be tragic.

The "new ideas" to make the sport more approachable or popular are not at all original when considering other sports... Maybe figure skating should be a bit more creative... doesn't everyone call it the "artistic sport " ... so far, the only creative process seems to be in the scoring

I agree - I think that it's much better to have the top three, rather than just the leader. I have enjoyed seeing the interactions amongst the top three skaters at prior competitions.