2026 Olympics: Women's Short Program

[bigsisjiejie]

Thought one needed to have TV and cable to get Peacock, even to watch online instead? I have neither and am not interested in Peacock at any rate. I don't need the annoyance.

Peacock is watchable on a Windows or Mac-based computer via the browser. I bought a subscription for one month so I could stream the Olympics to a TV for my elderly mother's sake. But will cancel right after the Olympics--I find Peacock not worth the money otherwise.

I also have Nord VPN and while it (and other well known VPN's) didn't work for the Olympics due to massive crackdown by the International Olympic Committee to prevent end runs around its deals with national broadcasters, I'd bet that for Worlds (which is ISU-run and nothing to do with IOC) it will once again work so you can access the Skating ISU Youtube channel IF you set the server to a country without a national broadcaster agreement with ISU.

 

[lariko]

The same way USA put her in 11... japanese judge are fair no matter what

This. It's an understandable national bias. KZ and IZ judges gave her marks that were very close to what others gave her well within 'I just like it', and American was visibly below. The result balanced out, and, tbh, it preserves the fairness.

 

[wombatch]

Question: When someone misses a combination jump (ie they perform a jump alone instead of connecting to another) can they add a combination somewhere later in the program to make that up? When a skater misses their triple (like Amber did) why can't she put in a triple jump elsewhere to make it up? Is it because they ONLY get 3 jumping passes in the short program? If the same mistake happened in a free program, could the skater put in another jump to substitute? (Sorry if this is a dumb question. In gymnastics, for example, if you don't do your second element in a flight series or leap series on beam, you can add it elsewhere. You won't get credit for any repeated skill, but you can still fulfil the series requirement) TIA

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Question: When someone misses a combination jump (ie they perform a jump alone instead of connecting to another) can they add a combination somewhere later in the program to make that up? When a skater misses their triple (like Amber did) why can't she put in a triple jump elsewhere to make it up? Is it because they ONLY get 3 jumping passes in the short program? If the same mistake happened in a free program, could the skater put in another jump to substitute? (Sorry if this is a dumb question. In gymnastics, for example, if you don't do your second element in a flight series or leap series on beam, you can add it elsewhere. You won't get credit for any repeated skill, but you can still fulfil the series requirement) TIA

It’s always been like this in the SP, but you used to have more flexibility in the LP. Now, in both programs you get a set number of attempts that must count when you try a jump. You can swap out the jumps you planned (e.g. you can do the combo where you had planned to do the solo triple) but those three attempts at a jump are all you get in the SP.

 

[TontoK]

I know that Opera has a built in VPN, not sure how good it is.

Hit or miss.

It seemed more reliable a few years ago when I discovered it. It works better for geo-blocked videos of prior events than live events. Live events are a total crapshoot in my experience. I think it's because you have to be sort of lucky regarding which specific location you land. You can pick "Asia" but you don't get to control exactly where in Asia. If it's a place that has the live blocked, then you have to try a different continent. Sometimes that works, sometimes not.

 

[Demandred]

Question: When someone misses a combination jump (ie they perform a jump alone instead of connecting to another) can they add a combination somewhere later in the program to make that up? When a skater misses their triple (like Amber did) why can't she put in a triple jump elsewhere to make it up? Is it because they ONLY get 3 jumping passes in the short program? If the same mistake happened in a free program, could the skater put in another jump to substitute? (Sorry if this is a dumb question. In gymnastics, for example, if you don't do your second element in a flight series or leap series on beam, you can add it elsewhere. You won't get credit for any repeated skill, but you can still fulfil the series requirement) TIA

You are allowed 3 jumping passes (1 of which could be a combo) in the short and 7 jumping passes (three of which can be combos and one of which can be a three jump combo) in the free. Every attempted jump counts for your final score, it's not like gymnastics where only the highest scoring 8 or 10 count. Even invalid elements which get zero still count as one of the 7 or 3 jump passes. In the short your non-axel jumps should be at least triples otherwise they are considered invalid.

In the free Amber's mistake would have been a bit less costly because she would have gotten points for her double jump. It's only 1.7 for a double loop, but it's better than nothing.

 

[yfan1]

The replies are cooking her.

 

[TontoK]

Question: When someone misses a combination jump (ie they perform a jump alone instead of connecting to another) can they add a combination somewhere later in the program to make that up? When a skater misses their triple (like Amber did) why can't she put in a triple jump elsewhere to make it up? Is it because they ONLY get 3 jumping passes in the short program? If the same mistake happened in a free program, could the skater put in another jump to substitute? (Sorry if this is a dumb question. In gymnastics, for example, if you don't do your second element in a flight series or leap series on beam, you can add it elsewhere. You won't get credit for any repeated skill, but you can still fulfil the series requirement) TIA

In terms of the short program:

If the skater plans the combo as their first non-axel jump element, but doesn't get it in, there's the opportunity to try again on the second non-axel jump. However, if a skater plans the combo as the second non-axel jump - like Alysa Liu for example, because of the second-half bonus factor - and they miss, then that's just too bad. They're out of attempts.

Amber didn't get points for the double loop (she planned a triple loop) because the REQUIREMENT in the short program is for a solo triple jump, and she didn't execute one. It's why the short program is so nerve-wracking. Certain elements are required, and there's very little room to recover from a mistake. She can't just throw in another jump to make up for it, because additional elements are not allowed.

 

[wombatch]

It’s always been like this in the SP, but you used to have more flexibility in the LP. Now, in both programs you get a set number of attempts that must count when you try a jump. You can swap out the jumps you planned (e.g. you can do the combo where you had planned to do the solo triple) but those three attempts at a jump are all you get in the SP.

Thank you!

 

[wombatch]

You are allowed 3 jumping passes (1 of which could be a combo) in the short and 7 jumping passes (three of which can be combos and one of which can be a three jump combo) in the free. Every attempted jump counts for your final score, it's not like gymnastics where only the highest scoring 8 or 10 count. Even invalid elements which get zero still count as one of the 7 or 3 jump passes. In the short your non-axel jumps should be at least triples otherwise they are considered invalid.

In the free Amber's mistake would have been a bit less costly because she would have gotten points for her double jump. It's only 1.7 for a double loop, but it's better than nothing.

Thanks, very helpful!

 

[Sjs5572]

What happened with the Lithuanian judge (#2) giving Alysa a GOE of zero on her StSq?
Most of the other judges gave it a GOE of 4, with a couple giving it a 3. This judge's scores on the other elements seem consistent with other judges, so I assume it was an input error. Shouldn't there be a way of alerting to obvious errors in r/t?

 

[lariko]

What happened with the Lithuanian judge (#2) giving Alysa a GOE of zero on her StSq?
Most of the other judges gave it a GOE of 4, with a couple giving it a 3. This judge's scores on the other elements seem consistent with other judges, so I assume it was an input error. Shouldn't there be a way of alerting to obvious errors in r/t?

'but all the other judges gave them 4, are you sure you wish to keep your score at 0?' alert would be very problematic in terms of influencing a professional opinion.

 

[Sjs5572]

'but all the other judges gave them 4, are you sure you wish to keep your score at 0?' alert would be very problematic in terms of influencing a professional opinion.

How do you suggest dealing with entry errors? Appeals aren't allowed. I'm open to suggestions.

 

[lariko]

How do you suggest dealing with entry errors? Appeals aren't allowed. I'm open to suggestions.

The averages and eliminating outliers should take care of it. The first thing is that they HAVE to gray out the outliers that are NOT used to calculate the average. The use of AI to analyze the full protocol after the completion of the competition is also a potential solution. If the algorithm picks up an anomalous pattern or an anomalous reading, they should do a machine rescore, resolving any ambiguity. Obviously, machine learning will be a key factor in what it will consider an error, a cheat or a choice. But, overall, I don't think humans are objective and impartial enough to leave final decision to them. An AI can see things we see way faster and more accurately. The fact that they finalize the score for each skater immediately after their skate without a quality control on the full protocol once the full field skates is archaic and wrong. They need at least a fast data integrity check and collusion check before the result is finalized.

 

[Ziotic]

I just do not understand why so much hate towards Petrosian from some of the posters. You may not like her style, you may hate Eteri, you may not even like Adelia as a person ( fir whatever crazy reasons), but saying I hope she does not make, God forbids she wins it, or how ugly and atrocious her skate, it is too much. The girl had a bad injury to the point of giving up her spot, no international exposure, not getting her coach present until the last minute, skating in the first group, having a burden of being Russian. She has so much to overcome... Enjoy your favorite skiers, wish them to do well, the best girl to win, just keep your hateful comments to yourself. I will be happy if Kaori wins, my husband will br thrilled if Alusa wins. I do not think Adelia wins, but if she does it is not an end of the world.

For me, I just can’t trust that she isn’t drugged, which is to the disadvantage of every other skater in the field.

Especially with Russia out of international for so long, I doubt WADA was doing random checks on them. If someone gets to train longer and harder because of banned substances then it’s an unfair advantage.

It may not be her specifically but every thing that she’s comes with, especially choosing to still training with a team that was caught doping a 15 year old.

 

[skatedreamer]

'but all the other judges gave them 4, are you sure you wish to keep your score at 0?' alert would be very problematic in terms of influencing a professional opinion.

If the other judges have given GOEs of 3 or 4, a 0 GOE is a real outlier.

In those circumstances, it seems to me that a 0 GOE should be flagged automatically by the system for some sort of review. I don't see this as trying to influence an opinion.

 

[lariko]

Yes, WADA is running random checks.

 

[lariko]

If the other judges have given GOEs of 3 or 4, a 0 GOE is a real outlier.

In those circumstances, it seems to me that a 0 GOE should be flagged automatically by the system for some sort of review. I don't see this as trying to influence an opinion.

To be impartial, a judge should not know what the other judges marked. A question like that automatically compromises impartiality. Post processing of data is when outliers are removed without the judge being alerted -- which they say they are doing. But we do not have a way to see it in the protocol. Also, the full protocol is not analyzed once it is completed. Which is bizarre, because a protocol is simply a database and human error and human bias should always be minimized before final result is presented publicly. And data integrity check on a protocol won't take long.

Just, you know, put IT on creating the algorithm, not someone who has interest in figure skating, lol.

 

[skatedreamer]

For me, I just can’t trust that she isn’t drugged, which is to the disadvantage of every other skater in the field.

Especially with Russia out of international for so long, I doubt WADA was doing random checks on them. If someone gets to train longer and harder because of banned substances then it’s an unfair advantage.

It may not be her specifically but every thing that she’s comes with, especially choosing to still training with a team that was caught doping a 15 year old.

I basically understand your point but I also think it's unwise to make statements like that without some sort of proof.

 

[Ziotic]

I basically understand your point but I also think it's unwise to make statements like that without some sort of proof.

There is proof that there was a doped minor that was under the coaching team of Eteri.

I'm not saying anyone else on that team is definitive; however, I am allowed to have my concerns about the possibility due to past practices of that team and the Russian federation as a whole. Unfortunately, one person can ruin it for everyone and that team (to me) will need to be held to a higher standard until trust has been re-established.

Until then, I don't want them competing.