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+5 / -5 GOE: All others 'historical'
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Makes sense. 
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Yeah, that makes sense. It wouldn’t be particularly accurate to compare results with such different scoring systems.
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But isn't it the same post-6.0 system?Makes sense.
Are they going to get rid off all amazing Yuna-Med-Zagi-Trusova records? It's a piece of history! :sad46:
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It is a major change, and you're right - it is a piece of history. The ISU has acknowledged it as such in the section: Historical Records: Scores achieved before 2018/19 season
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IDK. It never actually made sense to me to compare the statistics when they removed an element, or when they changed the SoV, or when they introduced the < vs <<, or the BV deduction for edge calls. This is the "same" system, but they changed BVs and the GOE assignment, so it's another drastic change.
(Not to mention that the comparison never makes any sense, seeing that the judges and the tech panels across competitions seem to have drastically different standards)
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its history and like the ISU said now previous records ia historical... and i think this change is much more major so its not comparable with change before which is only few jump BV, GOE scales value which the number still -/+3, also no jumping pass reduction etc. i think the ladies kind of more comparable than men though because of that less jumping pass and the quad restriction
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Wait, does this mean that the Asian Open winners currently holds the world records in their disciplines?
Excellent question.
I think Asian Open competitors are the current WR holders. So Eunsoo Lim and Sota Yamamoto have total score WR in singles. Wang/Liu in dance. Peng/Jin in pairs.
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Yep.
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Probably regretting that now based on this move.
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Wang and Liu
Makes sense. Ice dance max. scores for this season has gone up by 19.36 points from the last season for example due to revised SOV and major changes for SD to RD tech requirements for example.
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the ISU always said that they didn't "recognize" "world records" they are season's best scores... but they don't like the idea of world records exactly because rules change all the time and because records are never absolute with different panels at different events... this being said, there is no disputing that some skaters have achieved higher scores ever than others.... we can find those on wiki, some on guinness etc... even on ISU... but they are not meant to be looked at and considered as world records.
I think that's a pretty good move in that direction.
Think about it.. with implementation of a concept of world record in figure skating... and how things usually go : scores would have to rise etc... but would that be possible with the new rules? for ladies it seems like yes, with the added GOE.. despite the no more backloading.. but for men, one less jumping pass : does that mean that old scores would never ever be beaten? of course not, people would find a way to raise the current scores with higher and higher goe and pcs... and actually, that is what broke the system already... BV was raised... GOE, the top guys were getting way too many + 3... and PCS was a joke...
it is odd for many, I admit, but in my opinion, skating is not to be put on the same level as swimming or track.... in those sports, records are absolute... in skating we have all sorts of different kinds of records, most to do with first skaters or pairs to have achieve such and such quad... etc.. they are qualitative records....
also, that way, they can decide, at their will to remove a jumping pass in ladies for instance, or a throw in pairs... or tweak SOV and GOE or factor in PCS... and that's what they are doing already.... it keeping their right to modify rules all the time
I think that's a pretty good move in that direction.
Think about it.. with implementation of a concept of world record in figure skating... and how things usually go : scores would have to rise etc... but would that be possible with the new rules? for ladies it seems like yes, with the added GOE.. despite the no more backloading.. but for men, one less jumping pass : does that mean that old scores would never ever be beaten? of course not, people would find a way to raise the current scores with higher and higher goe and pcs... and actually, that is what broke the system already... BV was raised... GOE, the top guys were getting way too many + 3... and PCS was a joke...
it is odd for many, I admit, but in my opinion, skating is not to be put on the same level as swimming or track.... in those sports, records are absolute... in skating we have all sorts of different kinds of records, most to do with first skaters or pairs to have achieve such and such quad... etc.. they are qualitative records....
also, that way, they can decide, at their will to remove a jumping pass in ladies for instance, or a throw in pairs... or tweak SOV and GOE or factor in PCS... and that's what they are doing already.... it keeping their right to modify rules all the time
