AIN Competitors, Coaches, and ISU Rules

[Mathematician]

Good point. Although I'd have thought it would at least mean that her coach isn't allowed - the rules I read said the coaches couldn't have any involvement in shifty things either.

I guess throwing Kamila under the bus really helped that coaching team

Anywho I hope Adeliya has a good skate.

Well if Kamila stayed it would likely have banned their whole training group. They have been pretty supportive of her I don't think they threw her under the bus.

I do have no idea why Eteri is allowed though. The doping clause was specifically for AIN status, I guess you don't get any restrictions in general just because you have a doped athlete if your direct compliance isn't proven. She isn't there as AIN, but as a Georgian. She was already allowed by ISU this whole time in past seasons.

 

[Skating91]

Ooo boy don't go to the Figure Skating another site, I joined for about 4 seconds before noping out of there!

In other news, sorry if this has been answered, but how did Adeliya get the chance to qualify? Her coach was involved in a doping scandal? Or has all the blame for that only gone to Kamila?

There is no proof Eteri was involved in anything, otherwise she wouldn't be coach of Georgia and be arrested on her arrival in the US under the Rodchenkov Act.

Valieva hasn't been blamed for anything. An ADV does not mean she is guilty of anything.

 

[Skating91]

wrong thread

 

[Mathematician]

Nice 2A

Safanova seems better than I remember

That was a gorgeous flip

Wrong thread brotha, come back to us!

 

[Skating91]

wrong thread

 

[Skating91]

wrong thread

 

[Mathematician]

Bro! https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/t...mens-short-program.101726/page-6#post-3457041

@Skating91

Did they lock you out of the main thread or something?

 

[lariko]

IMHO 2018, Zagitova versus Medvedeva with Osborn, Miyahara nd Kostner also acquitting themselves well (not to mention a triple Axel from Mirai Nagasu ) was a fine competition, however much we don't like coaches, skating federations, the iSU, etc.

I didn't even notice Medvedeva. Or Hanyu, lol. I liked that Romanian skater and then Zagitova was wow with that free skate! I confused dance and pairs, coming out of it with a notion that Vurtue/Moir competed in both dsiciplines, or at least in pairs. Then, there was Uno, and then I watched JGP next year.

 

[gsk8]

Just a reminder that this thread was created for understanding the AIN rules, coach attendance at this event, etc. It's not a bashing nor rehashing thread.

 

[TallyT]

Ooo boy don't go to the Figure Skating another site, I joined for about 4 seconds before noping out of there!

I spend a lot of time noping out of all sorts of media... and not just for skating.

 

[Mathman]

Despite this long discussion and all the quotes from official sources I am still unclear on whether the Olympic and ISU bans have anything to do with doping or whether the only issue is the war. Sometimes it seems like these are treated as a conjoined pair and of relatively equal consequence.

Distance runner Rosie Ruis won the 1979 New York Marathon and the 1980 Boston Marathon by the stratagem of riding the subway to the finish line and then jumping out in front off the pack.

In 2013 the finish of the Boston Marathon was interrupted be a terrorist bombing attack that killed three people and maimed dozens.

Yes, Rosie was a bad girl. But these happenings are not in the same weight class in terms of moral turpitude.

 

[lariko]

Creating AIN in the same uniforms and same logo kinda makes it look like it is the same team with two entries.

 

[lariko]

Well, AIN skated and nothing particular had happened. Hope ISU makes note. I doubt they will though.

 

[4everchan]

Well, AIN skated and nothing particular had happened. Hope ISU makes note. I doubt they will though.

It depends where you are. I doubt that if Chinese Nebelhorn had been planned in some other country, that it would have been without protests. Gosh, Tennis Canada just had to shut down public access for Davis Cup qualifiers in Halifax because of the protests against Israel. So yes, there could have been issues in other parts of the world.

 

[Mathematician]

It depends where you are. I doubt that if Chinese Nebelhorn had been planned in some other country, that it would have been without protests. Gosh, Tennis Canada just had to shut down public access for Davis Cup qualifiers in Halifax because of the protests against Israel. So yes, there could have been issues in other parts of the world.

Ok but would you really compare the layman's disposition towards Russia and Israel like if we're being honest? Plus Israel isn't banned, they're still competing under the Israeli flag. The athletes are probably overtly patriotic too. AINs in skating haven't said a word about their country in years, hence the status.

Check the foreign comments on an Israeli sports replay vs AIN replay. The latter seems fully positive in every sport, even skating which has the most anti-Russia disposition from foreigners, yet the former country not so.

 

[TallyT]

The way you talk about the Russians, I couldn't imagine someone getting away with talking about any other entire group of people like that.

You do realise I mean the actual Russian women at the Olympics and their people, yes? That's a very specific group.

Sorry your skaters or teams haven't won since 2010 but they have a great chance next year of beating the Russians.

Errrrr, my skater did win. Twice. I haven't ever really had any 'skaters or teams' in the women's field. I would rather like Mone to come from behind and grab Sendai's fourth OGM, emulating her two forebears and annoying the hell out of JSF but that's not really a sensible reason, and I am not betting the emotional farm on it. I don't mind if Petrosian wins. I will laugh my head off if Gumennik takes it from the pretty-much-preannointed favourites (I will cheer if Mikhail does).

In my opinion Russian skaters especially from Tutberitze excel in both of these areas.

We know, we know. And in my opinion they are not the only ones who - when TPTB saw that there was jumpjumpjumpityjump by someone(s) they wanted to push for political and pr reasons - ooooh lookee, The Emperor's New Skating Skills/Artistry! Everyone'sMMV, and it appears the Team Tut bounce has sprung a small leak, but we will know for sure in six months time...

 

[lariko]

It depends where you are. I doubt that if Chinese Nebelhorn had been planned in some other country, that it would have been without protests. Gosh, Tennis Canada just had to shut down public access for Davis Cup qualifiers in Halifax because of the protests against Israel. So yes, there could have been issues in other parts of the world.

Yes, but that was tennis, a far bigger sport. For comparison, the Israeli skaters are in every FS competition of all levels, including the Olympics, and there were literally zero protests. Save for de riguer ethnic unveil of every skater born in Russia there was no public protests against them skating for other nations, even in the worlds.

Imo, there is a solid case to restore JGP/GP/Challenger participation. These are all small, commercial events that do not gain any media coverage. In fact, it's often hard to find a stream. The longer ISU creates the iron curtain around the Russians (and the unfortunate Belorussians) skaters the worse the outcry is going to be. Unless ISU plans on never, prolonging the ban is a bad PR strategy if they want to minimize the scandal. At the very least, admit the Belorussians, since they neither doped, nor have a propaganda machine anyone cares about. In fact, 99% of the time, Belorussia is forgotten. The only time Minsk comes into play is when creative writers for shows want it to be Russia, but wish to appear original, and in Baldur's Gate RPGs.

Since AIN had already been created, I am sure ISU can wordsmith AIN participation in GPs as a regional neutral entity. I mean, nothing is as satisfying as beating them jerks fair and square and for those who have excessive patriotic sentiments teal and fa-la-la-la-lah sucks.