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Alena Kostornaia

Sugar Coated said:
Why was she allowed last year? Is it because she was already 14? Will they make it 15 for this year or just potentially deflate/inflate the girls as they choose? Like Alena fell in her SP but still got the highest score which I imagine was because they wanted her for the Olympics.
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Alena/Alyona was wanted for the Olympics? What? Alena also didn't fell. Maybe you mean Alina. She didn't need to be "wanted", the gap between her and second Masha was twelve points. Also, what the question of Alina has to do with the previous discussion?
 
flanker said:
Alena/Alyona was wanted for the Olympics? What? Alena also didn't fell. Maybe you mean Alina. She didn't need to be "wanted", the gap between her and second Masha was twelve points. Also, what the question of Alina nas to do with the previous discussion?
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It was a typo, I guess. Alena couldn‘t have gone to the Olympics, she‘s too young. And what I believe this person meant is that despite Alina‘s somewhat rough skates (fall in SP, not her best FP) she still won while Alena had two completely clean skates. But this is justified, I think. It was an Olympic year, Alina was going to be at the OG, of course she‘d need to be the National Champion. And her FP was good, so just to judge on the fall in the SP is a bit harsh. I still strongly believe Alena should have been in front of Maria Sotskova, though but again: Olympic year.
 
Fluture said:
It was a typo, I guess. Alena couldn‘t have gone to the Olympics, she‘s too young. And what I believe this person meant is that despite Alina‘s somewhat rough skates (fall in SP, not her best FP) she still won while Alena had two completely clean skates. But this is justified, I think. It was an Olympic year, Alina was going to be at the OG, of course she‘d need to be the National Champion. And her FP was good, so just to judge on the fall in the SP is a bit harsh. I still strongly believe Alena should have been in front of Maria Sotskova, though but again: Olympic year.
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I presume it was typo, but with sugar coated, one cannot be sure :) But the win for Alina was completely rightful, and even if she would be second or third, She would still go to OG (Zhenya, Masha and Alina would be the same set). There wasn't need to "help" her.
 
flanker said:
I presume it was typo, but with sugar coated, one cannot be sure :) But the win for Alina was completely rightful, and even if she would be second or third, She would still go to OG (Zhenya, Masha and Alina would be the same set). There wasn't need to "help" her.
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Yeah, Alina‘s win was fair and square. And even if she had messed up really badly she‘d still be sent to the Olympics. What I meant was that in an Olympic year, the fed tends to want their Olympic skaters on the Nationals podium. They don‘t want them being beaten by some juniors. So, even if one skater messes up pretty badly, he/she still gets more points than one would usually get for a skate like this, simply to secure a spot on the podium. It‘s more about reputation than anything. I wasn‘t saying that Alina‘s win wasn‘t justified (it was) but that even if she had messed up completely, she‘d still have ended up on that Nationals podium because she‘s been Russian #2. The same for Masha as Russian #3. It has nothing to do with the skaters, Masha and Alina both skated pretty well at Nationals but rather with the fed and their preverances. :)
 
flanker said:
I doubt they would not allow Alyona to participate as she participated last year already. Sasha and the rest, that is the question.
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Of course they can skate at Nationals they are 14 which is the minimum age. Adelina Sotnikova won Russian Nationals when she was just 12 years old so it's hard to believe they would stop 14 year old girls from going to Nationals. the great coach Eteri did not hold Alina back the way Zhenya wanted her held back yet Eteri said Alina had to go to the Olympics because she deserved it. You can't hold these other girls back it's not right and certainly not the Russian way.
 
Of course Alenka will participate in the Nationals. But Junior Nationals will be much more interesting anyway.. like last season.. ;)
 
Azikin said:
Of course Alenka will participate in the Nationals. But Junior Nationals will be much more interesting anyway.. like last season.. ;)
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Ah, I think this time around Senior Nationals will be pretty interesting, too. Last year it was easy game for Alina, no real competition. Now Zhenya‘s going to be here. With Orser. Will be interesting to see a Canadian coach in the Kiss & Cry of Russian Nationals. That‘s going to be an intense battle. And there‘s also the battle of those who fight for Russian #3 spot. Maria Sotskova, Daria Panenkova, Anastasia Gubanova, Polina Tsurskaya, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Elena Radionova, Anna Pogorilaya. So many Senior ladies and only three places on the podium. And there‘s also the junior skaters, too. Alenka who beat them all last year. And I believe Alexandra Trusova turns 14 before Nationals, too, doesn‘t she? It‘s going to be exciting to watch the battle of junior and senior skaters and whether Trusova will be allowed to beat them all. Let‘s see.
 
Fluture said:
And I believe Alexandra Trusova turns 14 before Nationals, too, doesn‘t she? It‘s going to be exciting to watch the battle of junior and senior skaters and whether Trusova will be allowed to beat them all. Let‘s see.
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yes. and Anna Shcherbakova too and Tarakanova.
 
zounger said:
Most likely they will bury her under some GOE nonsenses and artistry.
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Yep, that‘s what I believe, too. They were fine with Alena being 3rd because she didn‘t threaten their Olympic squad but I doubt they‘ll let them beat Alina and Zhenya. Even if they deserved to.
 
Fluture said:
Yep, that‘s what I believe, too. They were fine with Alena being 3rd because she didn‘t threaten their Olympic squad but I doubt they‘ll let them beat Alina and Zhenya. Even if they deserved to.
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In my opinion, Alena should have been second in the last Russian championship.
 
Possible layout for Alena?
3A
2A (if popped to double above, this becomes triple)
3S-2T
2A
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3Lz-3Lo
3F-3T-3Lo
3F
 
Dmitryfromsiberia said:
In my opinion, Alena should have been second in the last Russian championship.
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Yeah, that‘s what I thought, too, even though Maria Sotskova really had two of her best skates ever. But it‘s still fine. Alena will have time to claim more senior nationals podium places. Masha however... with the upcoming wave of young skaters, I‘m glad for her getting a bit of the limelight and a silver medal at Senior Nationals. She probably won‘t have much of a chance in a few season. Russian Nationals really are a bloodbath.


Spirals for Miles said:
Possible layout for Alena?
3A
2A (if popped to double above, this becomes triple)
3S
2A
-----
3Lz-3Lo
3Lz-3T-3Lo
3F
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Both combos right after another, both with Lutz. Risky. But I like it. But I guess, if she pops the first Axel, wouldn‘t it be better if she had a bit time to recover instead of heading straight into another one? Maybe go for the 3S first and then the second Axel? But I‘m no expert on calculating these things, so... sorry beforehand if I‘m talking big nonsense here. :biggrin:
 
Fluture said:
But I guess, if she pops the first Axel, wouldn‘t it be better if she had a bit time to recover instead of heading straight into another one?
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Rika, at JWR, have announced two 3A, one after another, and after executed wrongly the first, she seemed very undecided on the second and put down another 1A.
I think too that, when something goes wrong, is better to have a plan B.
 
Fluture said:
And there‘s also the battle of those who fight for Russian #3 spot. Maria Sotskova, Daria Panenkova, Anastasia Gubanova, Polina Tsurskaya, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Elena Radionova, Anna Pogorilaya.
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Well, you make it more dramatic then it will be.. :) Panenkova and Gubanova are staying in juniors (as far as I know)... Pogorilaya is a big question, Tuktamysheva and Radionova.. I don't think so... so the real battle for the third Russian spot may be just between Sotskova and Tsurskaya... maybe Konstantinova.. but maybe somone will surprise.. ;)
So I still think Junior Nationals is where the real battle is expected... ;)
 
Azikin said:
Well, you make it more dramatic then it will be.. :) Panenkova and Gubanova are staying in juniors (as far as I know)... Pogorilaya is a big question, Tuktamysheva and Radionova.. I don't think so... so the real battle for the third Russian spot may be just between Sotskova and Tsurskaya... maybe Konstantinova.. but maybe somone will surprise.. ;)
So I still think Junior Nationals is where the real battle is expected... ;)
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I don‘t know if Panenkova and Gubanova really stay in junior, I thought that was just the sponsoring plan. :shrug: I know, though, that Radio and Pogo are big question marks nowadays but Tuktamysheva just got her 3A back, so maybe she‘ll get to be a real contender for Russian #3. But maybe I‘m overdramatising it a bit but I just like the senior ladies, so naturally I‘m excited.

Mawwerg said:
Alena like the majority of Eteri girls does not pop the jumps performed in competition:confused2:.
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Well but she has a new jump with another revolution, 3A. Trusova had problems adjusting to her quad as well, that‘s only natural, I guess. :confused2:
 
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