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Alena Kostornaia

How do you guys know she's not a hard working or disciplined person?
She has said it herself in multiple ocassions, in multiple interviews and people who have worked with her for years have said the same thing.

but she has internalized this view that others have spread about her.

How do YOU know that? Are you her psychiatrist or psychologist and have you clinically evaluated her?
 
She has said it herself in multiple ocassions, in multiple interviews and people who have worked with her for years have said the same thing.



How do YOU know that? Are you her psychiatrist or psychologist and have you clinically evaluated her?

I have specifically said I don't know what exactly she did or didn't do and that I don't know her. So it's clear it's my opinion.

I do know enough about psychology to know that this internalization often happens and this very much looks like it, because I haven't heard of any incident or behaviour which would make me feel like she's not hard working and disciplined. What I heard are things like she didn't want to skate with a broken arm/hand. In my opinion such behaviour is healthy and show's she's got her own mind and makes her own decisions about her health, but it is framed as "she's a coward and rebellious". Same about her switching to Plushenko - an athlete who doesn't feel they are in the right place and wants to switch coaches, there's nothing bad about it, on the contrary. Yet it's framed as "she doesn't know what's good for her". It happens to all athletes by the way, who dare to leave Eteri, if only for a while - "how could she!" Well, maybe those athletes have a point and realize the training environment is bad for them personally, so they are looking for another place.

But yet, as you say, she herself says such things about herself. And my conclusion, if I can't see any actual behaviour that I would find lazy, but only, in a very competitive environment, an extremely high level of skating and success (she likely could have had more big titles if the timing of everything would have been different) and the normal decisions of a girl growing up, is that she must have worked very hard to get there and her own talk about her mentality is more likely to be taken from the outside and expectations than to be the actual truth.
 
Aliona Kostornaya, of course, is not a model of exemplary behavior and strict discipline. Nevertheless, it is impossible to say with absolute certainty that this was the reason for her failures. Already in the spring of 2020, that is, before moving to the Angels, Aliona lost her triple axel. I do not exclude the possibility that the fall and winter of 2019 was generally the peak of Kostornaya's opportunities, and all paths from the top, as everyone knows, lead down. There would be nothing surprising in this - in the end, Alice Liu exhausted her resource much earlier than Aliona.

It is difficult to analyze all this precisely because Aliona decided to change her coach. I have listened to many of Aliona's interviews about this and I can only say one thing for sure: this decision was impulsive, ill-considered and therefore unreasonable. In addition, Plushenko showed himself to be a frivolous and irresponsible person. I hate to talk about it, because he is a great skater, but what can you do. Almost no work was done with Aliona. She was given medical help, she was promised the best choreographers, but she did not receive real attention from the head coach of the headquarters. Moreover, later, explaining the failures of Aliona, Rudkovskaya stated that Plushenko did not train her at all. All this coincided with the ridiculous decision to abandon the general physical training of athletes (this "brilliant" idea belongs to Rozanov, but the decision was made by Plushenko).

As a result, Aliona lost the whole season. And the loss of the triple axel has become almost irreversible.
 
Thank you very much @Alex Fedorov
I couldn’t have said it better.

It’s a pity, since she is so talented and a gorgeous performer in my opinion.

As for Plushenko, he’s the only man I closely followed in skating and the only who made me want to watch him skate more and more. I don’t watch men’s skating but watching Plushenko was a delight. However, I’m not a fan of him as a coach at all.
 
Aliona Kostornaya, of course, is not a model of exemplary behavior and strict discipline. Nevertheless, it is impossible to say with absolute certainty that this was the reason for her failures. Already in the spring of 2020, that is, before moving to the Angels, Aliona lost her triple axel. I do not exclude the possibility that the fall and winter of 2019 was generally the peak of Kostornaya's opportunities, and all paths from the top, as everyone knows, lead down. There would be nothing surprising in this - in the end, Alice Liu exhausted her resource much earlier than Aliona.

It is difficult to analyze all this precisely because Aliona decided to change her coach. I have listened to many of Aliona's interviews about this and I can only say one thing for sure: this decision was impulsive, ill-considered and therefore unreasonable. In addition, Plushenko showed himself to be a frivolous and irresponsible person. I hate to talk about it, because he is a great skater, but what can you do. Almost no work was done with Aliona. She was given medical help, she was promised the best choreographers, but she did not receive real attention from the head coach of the headquarters. Moreover, later, explaining the failures of Aliona, Rudkovskaya stated that Plushenko did not train her at all. All this coincided with the ridiculous decision to abandon the general physical training of athletes (this "brilliant" idea belongs to Rozanov, but the decision was made by Plushenko).

As a result, Aliona lost the whole season. And the loss of the triple axel has become almost irreversible.
I believe like Icewhite that it was very much a question of timing. She lost her 3A during the first lockdown, which was to be expected, she didn't regain it before the second lockdown, I don't think that she was very anxious yet, but although she had worked quite a lot at home (as show her new extensions after the lockdown, for instance in the Biellmann), she must have lost something by the lack of on-ice practice, which she hadn't recovered when she left Team Tutberidze. It was all of a sudden, if I understand correctly on July 15th the practice went fine (but still without 3A), then on July 16th there were difficulties (I had no confirmation but I do believe that her complaint that the younger skaters were slowing her down/came in her way came that day, the voicing aloud of this complaint maybe prompted by general anxiety) and on July 17th she called Rozanov in emergency to know if Plushenko could take her. This in a context of the Tutberidze coaching team looking overworked and maybe not available for a thorough assessment and reassuring her.
What Eteri Tuteridze vented out when she left, I hope is understood as a venting out and nothing more, nothing to cling to as an accurate truth. She's very invested in her students and doesn't understand what's happened when they leave, and she says things that I view more as a coping mechanism than anything informative (even more so, what she's reported to have said privately to other students on this occasion).

Then, there was another quarantine before being allowed to train at Plushenko's. Then she caught CoViD twice, and we don't know what permanent harm it did her, but it did prevent her from practicing, and I wonder if Rozanov's "brillant idea" wasn't just to prioritise on-ice training over off-ice training during these recoveries. It's CoViD that ruined her 2020-2021 season, nothing else. She had it once more the next season, after her vaccination, but I don't know when. I do think to that it would have been better had Plushenko supervised her training, but as I understand it, Alexandra Trusova's parents forbade it? It was maybe in the contract they had signed in February or March 2020?

If one really want to accuse a person or organisation for the inadequation between her outstanding skating and her titles, it would be the "more" brilliant team at ISU who, mid-March 2020, were planning a physical meeting between the exhausted skaters and 1000 people from the attendance, instead of setting up a safe event as the Korean Federation had wisely done for the Four Continents Championships; I do believe that, had they been serious and worked together with Québec health authorities, World Championships in Montréal 2020 could have taken place, and Alyona Kostornaya may have got a deserved World title.
 
In addition, Plushenko showed himself to be a frivolous and irresponsible person.
Elaborate?

I do think to that it would have been better had Plushenko supervised her training, but as I understand it, Alexandra Trusova's parents forbade it? It was maybe in the contract they had signed in February or March 2020?
What? Can you elaborate on that? Why would Trusova's parents forbid that??

Great insight about covid, by the way.
 
Elaborate?


What? Can you elaborate on that? Why would Trusova's parents forbid that??

Great insight about covid, by the way.
That was the rumours. That Alexandra Trusova's parents had required, prior to her move to Angels of Plushenko, a dedicated coaching team for her alone, and it was said before Alyona Kostornaya left Team Tutberidze; I wonder if it wasn't said by her parents themselves, or by Evgeny Plushenko? This team initially included Sergei Rozanov, although it seems that he left her team after some weeks. Then, when it became known that Alyona Kostornaya had a totally different team, basically just Sergei Rozanov (who anyway was the coach she wished to practice 3A with, as he had helped her before on this jump), there were new rumours that she couldn't have any coach training Alexandra Trusova, with different theories as to the reasons (the wording of the contract seeming to me the most believable of these theories). In case there was such wording, I could imagine them reluctant to lift it, precisely for their daughter's main rival, who had never been a friend either.
 
Elaborate?
ok, let's go back to 2020. Many have already forgotten about it, but at that time Aliona was considered the best skater in the Tutberidze group, which means that she was actually number one in the world. In the 2019-2020 season, she won all competitions except the Russian Championship. I remember how the journalist Zhurankov said something like: "Kostornaya proved to us that everything is decided by triple axels, not quads."

And now Plushenko takes the best figure skater in the world to his academy - without any plan to work with her, without even understanding Aliona and her special style. What is this, if not frivolity? Then he connected Rozanov - although Rozanov was supposed to train Sasha according to the original plan. In general, Plushenko's behavior in the summer and fall of 2020 was similar to the behavior of a selfish man who believes that being a good father means simply not sparing money to buy things and hire tutors for children. As expected, the programs delivered via Skype by Shae Lynn Bourne turned out to be much worse than the programs of Gleighenhaus, Rozanov's efforts came to nothing, and the generously paid doctors failed to ensure Aliona's normal recovery from illness and injuries.

And at the end of this story, when Kostornaya returned to Eteri, Plushenko said that he did not train Aliona at all, and Rudkovskaya said that Aliona did not run away from Plushenko, but from Rozanov. This is what I call irresponsibility.
 
ok, let's go back to 2020. Many have already forgotten about it, but at that time Aliona was considered the best skater in the Tutberidze group, which means that she was actually number one in the world. In the 2019-2020 season, she won all competitions except the Russian Championship. I remember how the journalist Zhurankov said something like: "Kostornaya proved to us that everything is decided by triple axels, not quads."

And now Plushenko takes the best figure skater in the world to his academy - without any plan to work with her, without even understanding Aliona and her special style. What is this, if not frivolity? Then he connected Rozanov - although Rozanov was supposed to train Sasha according to the original plan. In general, Plushenko's behavior in the summer and fall of 2020 was similar to the behavior of a selfish man who believes that being a good father means simply not sparing money to buy things and hire tutors for children. As expected, the programs delivered via Skype by Shae Lynn Bourne turned out to be much worse than the programs of Gleighenhaus, Rozanov's efforts came to nothing, and the generously paid doctors failed to ensure Aliona's normal recovery from illness and injuries.

And at the end of this story, when Kostornaya returned to Eteri, Plushenko said that he did not train Aliona at all, and Rudkovskaya said that Aliona did not run away from Plushenko, but from Rozanov. This is what I call irresponsibility.
Wow, brutal. I had a positive assessment of him, recently at least; I think hes been doing amazing with his juniors especially, and Muravieva. Love his ice shows as well. Sounds like he tried to get in on the most talented skater without much of a plan - he thought he could throw resources at her with money and things would fall into place on their own. Irresponsible situation indeed.
 
Wow, brutal. I had a positive assessment of him, recently at least; I think hes been doing amazing with his juniors especially, and Muravieva. Love his ice shows as well. Sounds like he tried to get in on the most talented skater without much of a plan - he thought he could throw resources at her with money and things would fall into place on their own. Irresponsible situation indeed.
My impression of what happened was that he decided to focus on his academy after Aliona left, so his current batch of skaters are benefiting from his presence and strategy. He still does shows in the off season but cut back to focus on his athletes.
 
Wow, brutal. I had a positive assessment of him, recently at least; I think hes been doing amazing with his juniors especially, and Muravieva. Love his ice shows as well. Sounds like he tried to get in on the most talented skater without much of a plan - he thought he could throw resources at her with money and things would fall into place on their own. Irresponsible situation indeed.
Yet, Alyona Kostornaia's arrival was totally unplanned.
 
Yet, Alyona Kostornaia's arrival was totally unplanned.
Rudkovskaya in the fall of 2019 wrote to Alina Zagitova that she was very much expected at the Plushenko Academy. In May 2020, Rozanov, Sasha Trusova and the Zhilina sisters moved to the Angels. At the same time, Plushenko hinted that he would also like to train Anna Shcherbakova. And soon, in Anna's account on the social network "VKontakte", a message appeared that she was leaving the Eteri group, because she "required development." The message was written in an uncharacteristic style for Anna and there were grammatical errors in the text. It was the result of an account being hacked by unknown persons.

Based on all these facts, I doubt that Aliona's impulsive act was an absolute surprise for Plushenko. Most likely, they began to persuade her to go to the Angels a couple of months before the final decision. Maybe Plushenko didn't expect to succeed so quickly. But even if it really was a complete surprise, no one forced him to accept Aliona. I can understand why he wanted to train Sasha, but he certainly could not give Aliona anything useful.
 
Rudkovskaya in the fall of 2019 wrote to Alina Zagitova that she was very much expected at the Plushenko Academy. In May 2020, Rozanov, Sasha Trusova and the Zhilina sisters moved to the Angels. At the same time, Plushenko hinted that he would also like to train Anna Shcherbakova. And soon, in Anna's account on the social network "VKontakte", a message appeared that she was leaving the Eteri group, because she "required development." The message was written in an uncharacteristic style for Anna and there were grammatical errors in the text. It was the result of an account being hacked by unknown persons.

Based on all these facts, I doubt that Aliona's impulsive act was an absolute surprise for Plushenko. Most likely, they began to persuade her to go to the Angels a couple of months before the final decision. Maybe Plushenko didn't expect to succeed so quickly. But even if it really was a complete surprise, no one forced him to accept Aliona. I can understand why he wanted to train Sasha, but he certainly could not give Aliona anything useful.
I do agree that great coaches communication to the public has often been quite bad, and Alyona Kostornaya was quite right to say so to Eteri Tutberidze, after the latter's reaction at her leaving Khrystalny: it was wrong to insult her. Evgueny Plushenko's brags were nearly as bad, thank you for reminding them (although I had thought at the time, that he was hinting about Alina Zagitova, whom he did try somehow to lure through shows).
You may have had information I have not had, not reading Russian, but this is the first time that I'm wondering if he did anything to get Alyona Kostornaya in his team.
 
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