Alena Kostornaia

[flanker]

I dunno, I like angels more than girls with swords

You are my man :agree:

 

[Hello from Brazil]

Some people think PCS is just the artistic part. It is not
The skating skills reflects the deep edges and control, aspects that trusova is better than kostornaia.
However just the SS doesn't justify Sasha getting a higher PCS than Alena, she is far better at interpretation.

 

[sweetice]

Also I think Alena would be very preoccupied with Figure Skating mentally, physically, emotionally to have the time and space to go on proper dates for the next olympic cycle (3~4 years).

There's no Juliet without a proper Romeo

 

[dante]

the SS doesn't justify Sasha getting a higher PCS than Alena, she is far better at interpretation.

There were a statistics showing that most judges don't differentiate the components. If a judge likes a skater, he'll give 5 similar high scores with little scatter, if he doesn't - 5 close low scores.

 

[flanker]

There were a statistics showing that most judges don't differentiate the components. If a judge likes a skater, he'll give 5 similar high scores with little scatter, if he doesn't - 5 close low scores.

When Euros took place, one of our commentators spoke about it a little, that in the beginning of this system it was normal that judges were giving e. g. 8 for skating skills but only 3 for interpretation of music, as skater with good skills doesn't necessarily be good performer also, or the other way around. But then she continued that now this original idea how to differ particular components doesn't work anymore, exacly because judges stopped to differ between them.

 

[gsk8]

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[Giver]

So, looks like Kim Ye Kim will be legitimate threat to Alena. She can't afford any mistakes or "nervous skating" anymore because she can lost to her.

 

[SnowWhite]

So, looks like Kim Ye Kim will be legitimate threat to Alena. She can't afford any mistakes or "nervous skating" anymore because she can lost to her.

Alena will be fine. She was nervous at her 1st event, had that small step-out and scored 203.50. Yelim had 191.89. She had SP mistakes, but nowhere close to 12 points worth. Maybe about 5-6 more points if Yelim has a perfect SP. Alena can't make big mistakes sure, but she doesn't have to be perfect.

 

[cohen-esque]

So, looks like Kim Ye Kim will be legitimate threat to Alena. She can't afford any mistakes or "nervous skating" anymore because she can lost to her.

But the same's true of Yelim and she pretty much never skates clean. Plus a skate with a small stepout from Alina still was higher than Yelim's clean free. I think she's got this next event in the bag.

 

[rikaquegira]

So, looks like Kim Ye Kim will be legitimate threat to Alena. She can't afford any mistakes or "nervous skating" anymore because she can lost to her.

I don't understand where people are getting this idea from...
The two of them do not compare.

And we can't compare scores from different events. Different judges, different panels, different skating order, everything is different.

Alena will be fine!

 

[Amef]

So, looks like Kim Ye Kim will be legitimate threat to Alena. She can't afford any mistakes or "nervous skating" anymore because she can lost to her.

I'm sorry by Alena's artistry and choreography and general musicality is miles ahead of Ye Lim Kim (skating skills, flow, interpretation, spins, everything is also much, much better).

 

[atsumiri]

Of course it is. You're claiming such utter and complete nonsense as truth that one cannot say anything but a simple no, and move on.
After all, one can only deal with a certain level of delusion before it indeed becomes pointless and here we go.

hahahaha. says "no" person. :thumbsup:
You're welcome to read "definition of Skating Skills." I even brought it for you.

 

[largeman]

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Let the record show that Li’Kitsu and I think Alena getting lower PCS than Sasha is a joke and an outrage

(But I’ll save the rage till that happens at the same event with both of them competing )

 

[Li'Kitsu]

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Let the record show that Li’Kitsu and I think Alena getting lower PCS than Sasha is a joke and an outrage

(But I’ll save the rage till that happens at the same event with both of them competing )

:thumbsup:
And it's not just Sasha - I don't think any other Junior girl can compete with Alena in PCS (and only few senior ladies too tbh). It's how well rounded and strong in all aspects she is that really sets her apart for me (arguably minus CO, but well, not exactly her fault there...) - and her SS to me are unparalled in the Junior field. When we look at the comparison to Sasha, there are areas where they are closer - mostly one foot skating and multidirectional skating, because Sasha really does a lot in that regard. But it's the easiness and flow that Alena has that make her superior - there is no jerkiness between movements/steps, no loss of upper body control or jerking her arms around to keep her balance. She is completely in control at all times, and all movements are seamless. She finishes all her movements - whole body from feet to fingertips - too, while still putting in lots of content, which requires amazing precision and control Sasha for example doesn't have to that extent. That isn't to say Sashas SS are weak, they're not, but in this comparison I think the differences in favor of Alena are clear. I thought about looking through their videos and posting a few time stamps where these differences come through, but since we're not even allowed to post links to comp videos anymore, it'll stay with text xD

 

[Yatagarasu]

She is completely in control at all times, and all movements are seamless. She finishes all her movements - whole body from feet to fingertips - too, while still putting in lots of content, which requires amazing precision and control

She's not Queen, she's Empress of Control.
It's truly something to see, and yes, both precision and control, the way her movements are fully executed, just glorious.

Another thing to take into account, when you don't do these things? You save energy/stamina. Could Sasha do all the jumps she does now, and skate like Kosto? Nope. But I would give anything to see her reduce the quads and yet elevate her skating to be near Kosto's as overall, talk about a brilliant image there. Which is why if Kosto manages to get the 3A for the JGPF, it is going to be some program that would be beating quite a few on the senior level.

And yes, when we talk about Kosto's SS, and overall her components, she is not just on top of Juniors; she is in the elite of the elite when it comes to Seniors.

This doesn't mean Sasha's SS are bad, they're not. They are still simply Juniorish, which is fine, considering her age but they are good. She just cannot be compared to Kostornaya though. Not in a million years.

Much like Kosto's jumps need work, or rather some of her jumps. Not just the Lz edge, the Flip needs serious looking into. The Axel is divine, even if it is not getting appropriate scores.

 

[Fluture]

Well, just because you're denying something, it will not change the reality.))
i guess it's a pointless discussion.

Nothing will change the reality, you‘re right on that one. And the reality is that Kostornaya is significantly ahead of Truosova not only in the artistic department but also skating skills and blade work. I love Sasha‘s jumps (she’s better at them than Alena obviously!) and she‘s certainly improving from last year (e.g. spins!!) but to compare her to someone like Kostornaya who is on par if not better than even most senior ladies in SS is ridiculous.

 

[Amef]

Alenka's SP I can't stop replaying. Like the SP better than FS.

 

[Hello from Brazil]

That SP is almost a transcendence

 

[Amef]

That SP is almost a transcendence

I agree. Totally. I would even have liked this SP be an olympic SP program.. My fave program of the season for ladies.

 

[flanker]

Rather impressive video of The A-Team
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnf118Eg8Wc/