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Internationally yes. Nationals...they make their own rules. Ashley will get dinged for downgrades but Alissa won't. Mirari will break a record one year and be down in 7th the next. If U.S. is anything like Russia, anything goes.
Any Sasha updates?
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Internationally yes. Nationals...they make their own rules. Ashley will get dinged for downgrades but Alissa won't. Mirari will break a record one year and be down in 7th the next. If U.S. is anything like Russia, anything goes.
But hasn't Czisny gotten her own share of DG calls (this season)? The reason she's competitive with the other American girls is because she excels in many other areas. But her jumps are really weak- probably on par with Wagner, worse when she has her typical splatfest
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Yes, as have pretty much most of the American girls. My point is that at Nationals downgrades will only be in the eye of the beholder. My belief is that USFSA already has a olympic "dream team" picked out, and they will play the results as much as possible to get that team.
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She is not on par with Wagner, Wagner gets 105+ for her freeskates even with the DGs and not inflated PCS and lower GOEs on spins and spirals. Ashley has a flutz and sometimes URs her 2a, but her other jumps are big and strong - Alissa already doesn't do a salchow and has huge issues with her 3loop and struggles with 3flip and her second 3lutz, sometimes the 2a, plus her jumps are kind of small. At Nationals she probably has an edge over Wagner, but internationally she definitely doesn't.
Mirai I don't know what to think. I love her skating but it seems like judges are being extra tough on her recently, even the ones at nationals last year, so we will see what happens this year. If the USFSA does judge unfairly and send two ladies to the Olympics who didn't earn the spots, whoever that might be, and then they bomb at the Olympics and make the US look bad the USFSA will finally learn their lesson and not make a mistake like that again. So really good can come out of the situation regardless of who goes.
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That does not seem so clear to me. Alissa's scores in international competition this season were 158 (Rostelcom Cup)) and 163 (Skate Canada). Ashley got 155 (NHK), 163 (Rostelcom) and 162 (GP Final).
It seems like the international judges have judged them as about equal.
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Alissa is a SP skater though. Her FS scores have never been over 110 internationally and recently have just been about 100 even. Ashley can do better in the free and if she does well in the short she can score higher than Alissa overall. Alissa's FS scores internationally are worrisome, they can not contend with the 120+ the likes of Miki, Mao, Yuna, Joannie can get. Rachael has been close to 120 with mistakes, and Ashley's scores are closer to that than Alissa's. SP scores are also more variable depending on the competition, technically Alissa's SP is about even with most competitors.
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What are the other areas she excels in????
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Excels??? Obviously..... that was my point, she doesn't excel more.... than the rest of the other US female skaters.
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If the USFSA didn't learn their lesson last year, I don't know if they ever will. The only difference this year is that they don't actually have to jury rig the results to pick the Olympic teams they want.
Honestly, the World team would have been the same...except that Flatt would be the champion and Czisny would have been 2nd...
...but MY point is that she's BETTER at those things than her other competitors....at least spins and spirals. I guess WRT presentation skills that's very subjective but I still maintain that she has a distinct style...I just wish she'd stop being so tentative...
I agree with Mathman here not with you Silverlake, sorry. While you mentioned every sinlge flaw in Aliisa's skating, you didn't mention the often double footing in Ashley's case, which could lead to a downgrade as well. She had them both in her SP and LP at the GPF. That being said, Ashley is defnitiely improved this year, but she cannot score as high as Alissa, if both are clean and that could very well happen in the SP, and for the LP it remains to be seen if Ashley can come back from behind.
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Ashley has come back from behind pretty much her whole career. Last year she won the freeskate after being 8th after the short. She had a very good freeskate in Tokyo at the GPF after a messy short. Nationals 2007 she had a better free than short. What she has not proved is that she can skate a good enough short so that she does not get herself out of the running and wind up hoping everyone else bombs the free.
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If she does that, I for one will applaud her. At least she tried her best and didn't let her fans down.
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Yes and at least we will have the treat of seeing one new program in all its glory
Actually, the hearsay information I posted over at FSU is that (my exact quote): "she reportedly is doing run throughs of her short program at least." I worded it that way to leave open the possibility that Cohen may also be doing run throughs of her FS.
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It would make sense to WD after the SP if she clearly shows weakness. But what if she blows the roof off (entirely possible due to it being Nats and the lack of a Kwan around) -then such a move would have people scratching their heads, I bet. So she'd have to at least try the FS. Look at the Torino games, she easily could have WD then and there after that horrific warmup. But she continued on. I think she'd sooner fight through it rather than just throw in the towel like that.
Of course, for that to happen, she must show...
Of course, for that to happen, she must show...
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Do you think the Olympic Games you've spent four seasons training for and the Nationals which will represent your return to competition in three and a half years present an analogous situation?
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