Bad move!!!!

[MKFSfan]

OK, then I'm thinking you mean the illusion spin, which we used to see quite often pre-COP as part of a camel spin:
http://www.sk8stuff.com/f_recog/recog_s_illusion.htm
For the record, I HATE this spin!

 

[R.D.]

Not that one. This spin I'm talking about is MUCH uglier.

They spin around...their whole bodies...and they are holding one foot kind of sideways while spinning.

 

[Vicky458]

Two words: Fan Spiral. It's like "Hi! Here's my crotch! Like it?" Please, please, anything, even yanking the boot over the head using the blade, is better than that!

I will add the beaver cleaver spin to this description.

 

[anya_angie]

I'm with most people; crotch moves, can't stand them!!!!! ESPECIALLY if the skirt is far too short!

Playing more than one character in the same program! That's the only thing I object to in Yagudin's MITIM. One minute he's Phillipe, the next he's D'Artagnan, the next he seems to be Louis? *head spins*

 

[R.D.]

These so-called crotch moves aren't THAT bad (for the most part- the Charlotte of course can be considered one). It's just bad camera angles.

 

[Spun Silver]

Not that one. This spin I'm talking about is MUCH uglier.

They spin around...their whole bodies...and they are holding one foot kind of sideways while spinning.

Donut?
http://skateclass.ru/animations/spin/catch-foot/Shizuka Arakawa--catch-foot spin.gif
Catchfoot layback? Mao often does one en route to Bielmann.
http://www.japanskates.com/photos/skate_america_2006/DSC_0387.jpg

 

[R.D.]

Donut?
http://skateclass.ru/animations/spin/catch-foot/Shizuka Arakawa--catch-foot spin.gif
Catchfoot layback? Mao often does one en route to Bielmann.
http://www.japanskates.com/photos/skate_america_2006/DSC_0387.jpg

THE FIRST ONE

 

[Spun Silver]

I posted about that one earlier in this thread, I think. IMO it's not necessarily ugly but usually is - skaters drop their knees in order to grab the foot, and it looks like a dog peeing. But some manage to grab the foot while keeping the knee level. At the moment I can't think of who, though. We should create an award for them. Or at least a thread.

ETA: I'm looking for a good one. Surprise - even the great spinner Alissa C. has to drop the knee first in her Nats FP. Whereas little Miss Flatt does a very nice one at the very end of her FP - especially considering that she'd just fallen and must have been quite tired. Links in Nats Youtube thread.

 

[R.D.]

I've yet to see one I like. I just think it's a generally ugly move. Especially with the hand up-yuck.

 

[antmanb]

I'm with you SS, that is gorgeous. Creates such a beautiful line.

Again, something that makes me wonder if some really even like FS???

Its in the eye of the beholder - just because someone doesn't find something as aethetically pleasing as you they're not a fan of FS????

Some feel that flexi moves have nothing to do with skating - in other words what is actually happening with the blade on the ice.

Ant

 

[antmanb]

Arakawa's wasn't bad. But IMO she had the best Ina Bauer (is that what it's called?)...one of the moves I DO like a lot.

I never really cared much for arakawa' In Bauer because it was just too over flexi looking - it looked ugly - like she'd actually managed to curl head round to her butt! That IMO is not a pretty look.

Ant

 

[antmanb]

I disagree with that. I am not a fan of Arakawa's Ina Bauer. I think she arches her back too much and it ruins the line of the move. I do like the move itself, however.

Agreed - i prefer Ina Bauers wher ethe distance between th elegs is greater - there's grater knee bend in the forward leg and a reasonable arch in the back, in any event no more than there would be in a layback.

Ant

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

OK, then I'm thinking you mean the illusion spin, which we used to see quite often pre-COP as part of a camel spin:
http://www.sk8stuff.com/f_recog/recog_s_illusion.htm
For the record, I HATE this spin!

The Illusion can be a very effective spin when it is part of choreography relating to the music, JMO, Few if any skaters do it justice nowadays.

Joe

 

[MKFSfan]

Ohhhh! I never thought you meant the donut spin! Well, in general, not crazy with this spin position either. I agree with SpunSilver-the entrance is usually what makes the spin so ugly, slowing down, dropping the knee before grabbing the skate. There are a few that don's, like Elene G., Caroline, Irina.

 

[SeaniBu]

Its in the eye of the beholder - just because someone doesn't find something as aethetically pleasing as you they're not a fan of FS????

Surprised that the sense of humor wasn't picked up on that. As in, I was at work and I put two sugar and two cream packets in my coffee, and the person I was with said, " do you even like coffee?" *chuckle*

I guess I should have said, seems some don't like FS nearly as much as others - fans very in how much they enjoy I guess.??

Or what is it that some like about FS?

Some feel that flexi moves have nothing to do with skating - in other words what is actually happening with the blade on the ice.

It is my understanding that during those "flexi" moves that show balance, control and the form of the human body while skating on preferably a clean sharp tracing using one edge and stay rigidly smooth, there is an expectation of skateblade use. But hey, maybe that is just me.

And if is only about blade to ice then why is presentation and interpretation factors? Skating skills would certainly be represented as some of those "flexi" moves are difficult to do period, let alone while skating on ice, to music, in a choreographed routine, with a time limit, etc....

Anyway I guess I like them and some don't. Some want Figures back and some don't.

For the "my" record. Doughnut spin with the hand above, I find spectacular and representative of organic shape and form of nature and human beauty, while demonstrating the ability to stay centered in a spin, rase and arm within the centrifugal force as expression...I would say skating skills and beauty at least to this viewer.

I personally "Think" most(not all) peoples issues with these positions stem from being uncomfortable with viewing aspects of the human body or there own, IOW, hang ups. Like seeing a butt in the air and all they can see is a "oh my gosh their butt is showing." Or IOW "Freudian mental barriers." JMO though, JMO.

 

[antmanb]

Surprised that the sense of humor wasn't picked up on that. As in, I was at work and I put two sugar and two cream packets in my coffee, and the person I was with said, " do you even like coffee?" *chuckle*

Guess i missed the humour.

It is my understanding that during those "flexi" moves that show balance, control and the form of the human body while skating on preferably a clean sharp tracing using one edge and stay rigidly smooth, there is an expectation of skateblade use. But hey, maybe that is just me.

Could be, but the charlotte by its very definition is done on the flat of the blade so no crisp edging there just a plane track line down the centre of the ice - no use of edges whatsoever, just a flashy flexi move which is why i don't particularly care that much for the chrlotte as a skating move.

Ant

 

[SeaniBu]

Could be, but the charlotte by its very definition is done on the flat of the blade so no crisp edging there just a plane track line down the centre of the ice - no use of edges whatsoever, just a flashy flexi move which is why i don't particularly care that much for the chrlotte as a skating move.

Ant

I respect that. I see a very difficult move to do period - without skating - then to add skating and demonstrate how in control a skater is with their balance on ice shows me skating skills anyway - and it is expected to be straight and have a "smooth" exit. I guess I just see things differently sometimes, and others ITA with most of. I see skating and some see something else??? I still think that is some "comfort barrier" with A lot, NOT ALL, but a lot of viewers.

 

[antmanb]

And if is only about blade to ice then why is presentation and interpretation factors? Skating skills would certainly be represented as some of those "flexi" moves are difficult to do period, let alone while skating on ice, to music, in a choreographed routine, with a time limit, etc....

The point is that its all supposed to be a bout the skating. Doing a handstand on the ice might be beuaitufl, choreographically unique and in keeping with teh music. It is, however, illegal. Lying on the ice to depict death at the end of a routine may be in keeping in much the same way, but again is illegal. Count it for the interpretation marks if that's what you like but something like a charlotte with no particular skating merit just seems superfluous to me. Someone else might be able to express it better skating some nice transitions or ticky turns with beutiful smooth edge with power and extenstion in between than someone forcing a position like the charlotte.

For the "my" record. Doughnut spin with the hand above, I find spectacular and representative of organic shape and form of nature and human beauty, while demonstrating the ability to stay centered in a spin, rase and arm within the centrifugal force as expression...I would say skating skills and beauty at least to this viewer.

I quite like the doughnut spin too - i think that does show great skating skill to perform especially as you say with some modified arm movements. i do agree with teh other poster who hate the leg dropping in order to catch the free blade. there are very few skaters who can hit that position without dropping the leg.

I personally "Think" most(not all) peoples issues with these positions stem from being uncomfortable with viewing aspects of the human body or there own, IOW, hang ups. Like seeing a butt in the air and all they can see is a "oh my gosh their butt is showing." Or IOW "Freudian mental barriers." JMO though, JMO.

Personally i don't think female's skating costumes leave all that much to the imagination anyway but i don't see anyone's offense in seeing a covered body part. For me some of those flexi moves are just plain old ugly. The Charlotte is a particular one i don't like - the peeing on a hydrant spiral is also awful even when the stretch is as good as Sasha's.

Ant

 

[SeaniBu]

The point is that its all supposed to be a bout the skating. Doing a handstand on the ice might be beuaitufl, choreographically unique and in keeping with teh music. It is, however, illegal. Lying on the ice to depict death at the end of a routine may be in keeping in much the same way, but again is illegal.

Those are both not requiring the blade be on the ice, that is why they are illegal.

i do agree with teh other poster who hate the leg dropping in order to catch the free blade. there are very few skaters who can hit that position without dropping the leg.

And the ones who droop their leg do not get as high of marks, but it still is difficult and the blade is on the ice.

- the peeing on a hydrant

This is something that makes me think Freudian. But again JMO. "Potty talk" as I have heard it called before.:agree: I just see a display of balance, control and use of the forward outside edge in a curve - preferable with no wobble. But JMO.
I see there are different views, that is OK with me to hear one take, so I figure it should be OK to hear a different POV. Maybe not?

 

[sillylionlove]

Here is my bad move...any lift done by ice dancers that looks like it belongs in the Kama Sutra!!!