Not necessarily, but maybe yes, because Mao is a member of the "3A ladies". But drivingmissdaisy didn't drag Mao into this.Must we drag Mao into this?
Not necessarily, but maybe yes, because Mao is a member of the "3A ladies". But drivingmissdaisy didn't drag Mao into this.Must we drag Mao into this?
Not necessarily, but maybe yes, because Mao is a member of the "3A ladies". But drivingmissdaisy didn't drag Mao into this.
Chairmanmao's comments on Liza's 3A are pretty much "cut & paste" from what she said in the event thread. Clearly here to troll.I am not sure what chaimanmao wants to do but is clear she wants to cause this debate which 3A is better, I thought this thread was to celebrate Liza not to analyze Mao's jump.
Sheesh. I hope when I get my Ph.D., forum armchair commentators don't go "That's nice, but he's no John Nash."
You don't have to wait for that, I tell you: you are no John Nash!Sheesh. I hope when I get my Ph.D., forum armchair commentators don't go "That's nice, but he's no John Nash."
I wish you a less troubled life.
Just hope that she gets a good rest and comes back next season with a SP that is choreo with the 3A in place and an LP that includes one 3A as well. That will be a major breakthrough. Choreo is Tuks major pCS weakness though, so a change of scene will help.
You had me running to the protocol to check on this, I got confused for a second. I can confirm that she has the highest choreography score across the board in both the short & free programs. Not sure what you mean by "major PCS weakness"... I assume that is just your personal opinion?
I liked her original short program better--with the spiral entry into 2A near the end. (See: Nationals performance). Back when she was getting choreography, I highly doubt they'd known she'd eventually be including 3A.Hi Sabinfire, yes it was just a personal opinion. I know the scores rewarded her pretty nicely but her SP in particular at worlds really seemed a bit haphazard despite the glorious 3A. I understand that it was never intended with a 3A. I am ok with her PE and even IN scores really but the overall CR was really strange to me. I much prefer a programme such as say Alena Leonovas Chaplin SP where the moves were in sync and well matched with the music and actually told a nice story and allowed a good performance. I always felt that was not sufficiently rewarded. I hope Tuks can get something planned out like that.
I liked her original short program better--with the spiral entry into 2A near the end. (See: Nationals performance). Back when she was getting choreography, I highly doubt they'd known she'd eventually be including 3A.
To be honest, it hasn't been a great year of ladies' SPs (in terms of programs--we did, of course, see many good performances). Other than Alena Leonova, I don't see the other programs as stronger than Liza's.
Liza's free is a good program, imo. It suits her well and showcases her strengths (the arms, changes in tempo/mood, her control on jump landings, the dance-like quality of her steps at the end).
Yes, I also preferred her earlier SP layout. She had more interesting transitions. For the next season, I am hoping she will get a nice new SP where the 3A is incorporated nicely. The only part of her Worlds 2015 SP I really like was her StSq. It was almost like after she got through her jumps clean, she felt so happy that she gave a more energetic footwork show than usual. As for her LP, I know Papa Mishin will plan at least one 3A in it. Hope the layout keeps this in mind and if it does not turnout well, at least it can be a 2A in place. But knowing Liza and Mishin, it will get done. If she has a 3A and 3-3 in both SP and LP, then I think even the likes of Yuna Kim and Mao Asada and Caro Kostner will be hard pressed to even come close.
I agree, but then you know the sport has to progress at some point. As much as I love the Holy Trinity of ladies FS post-2006, technically it's about time that another lady pushes the technical difficulty. I feel as though that rested on Mao and Kim for too long (two quads!) but that groundwork has obviously transpired well with these younger skaters (3Lz-3T being almost a requirement, and now Tuk laying down her 3A.) However, I'd hate to think that artistry ended when these three and Akiko Suzuki left the stage. They set the standards VERY high and none of the current crop of ladies have the artistry to match their TES. We've seen flashes of it- you have some balletic skaters and some sprightly ones- even Tuktamysheva has her own brand of artistry akin to say- Slutskaya. I suppose given that most of them are still under 18 it's not really that surprising but again, we were very spoiled by the last two cycles.
If Liza was to tackle choreography, she would be unstoppable. She doesn't need to be some lyrical skater, that's not who she is- but something fiery and a little bit more refined of a program would be great for her. And enough with the gypsy/belly dancing theme. And the mumus.
:thumbsup:I am just so glad that with this new scoring system, at least lady skaters never needed to be confined to that ice princess style. Was just thinking back to those days when Slutskaya had to skate balletic, Midori Ito and Tonya had to take on feminine styles and a muscular lady like Surya Bonaly would never be credited for presentation - shudder.