British and Irish Figure skating 2022-2023

[ladyjane]

So close! For me Phebe and James are jointly third with Nadiia and Peter!

 

[Weetos]

Im kind of salty they didn't get that bronze I think they deserved it :/ but I'm so proud of them anyway. They still haven't even been together that long

I hate lift deductions forever

Also how amazing were Ash and Atl, they are just a joy to watch

 

[ladyjane]

Also how amazing were Ash and Atl, they are just a joy to watch

They were. And so young (both of them). Looking good for the future!

 

[WednesdayMarch]

Im kind of salty they didn't get that bronze I think they deserved it :/ but I'm so proud of them anyway. They still haven't even been together that long

I hate lift deductions forever

Also how amazing were Ash and Atl, they are just a joy to watch

I'm gutted for Phebe and James. I also thought they deserved the bronze. Lift deductions. Pfft.

Totally over the moon for Ashlie and Atl, though. They did themselves and everybody proud. I hope the whole team (minus the costumier) are celebrating in Calgary right now! They all deserve it.

And now, onwards to next season! With no asymmetric frills or ruffles...

 

[Weetos]

Really pleased to see Phebe and James got a gala invite! Much deserved. Apparently from instagram they didn't have a gala programme haha - I think in the future they may need to fix that, they might need one more often

 

[DSQ]

Now I don’t want to start any drama so I’ll preface this by saying I don’t think any scores should be changed or medals reassigned. All of the Juniors competing at worlds were lovely and I look forward to seeing them in the future.

Now all the said, have you heard about the drama going on between British Ice Skating, Skate Canada and the ISU? As we all heartbreakingly know Bekker & Hernandez lost out on bronze due to an extended lift violation. Apparently the time keeper was Canadian and is being accused of not also marking down Bashynska & Beaumont for their lift which it is claimed was also extended. I heard from TSL British Figure Skating have protested… I don’t believe anything can change now but it’s apparently much talked about in the ice dance world.

I’m kind of impressed that this isn’t more generally known.

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

I’ve got that used to events starting on the Thursday that it didn’t cross my mind until there now that the World Championships might be starting earlier in the week. And, sure enough, they are starting tomorrow.

Yes, that paragraph was copied from the Europeans post. But it still holds this week!

As well as LIVE coverage of everything on Discovery+, there is also substantial coverage on the linear channels, both LIVE and in the form of highlights.

As we have experienced on previous occasions with events from Asia, the LIVE coverage on Eurosport’s linear channels doesn’t start when the day’s action begins. It starts later on, sometimes for the final groups of the opening segment of the day; sometimes for the start of the closing segment of the day.

The two Pairs segments don’t have any LIVE coverage on British Eurosport, but there are highlights on straight after the subsequent segment finishes it’s LIVE coverage. There is LIVE coverage of the Pairs FS on BBC Red Button, though.

As ever, the BBC only has coverage of the Free Skates, all of which will be on their Red Button 1 channel. They also have a highlights of the event on BBC2 on Sunday.

There is no coverage of the Gala on any of the linear channels. But there is on Discovery+.

Hope this helps

CaroLiza_fan


*Europe enters Daylight Savings Time at 01:00 GMT on Sunday 26th March.
The schedule up to and including Saturday is in normal time. So, GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) is GMT+0, and CET (Central European Time) is GMT+1.
The schedule from Sunday onwards is in Daylight Savings Time. So, BST (British Summer Time) is GMT+1, and CEST (Central European Summer Time) is GMT+2.


BBC Red Button 1 (i.e. Standard Definition) is available via:

Digital terrestrial (UK only): Ch. 601 on Freeview
Digital satellite (Europe): Ch. 982 on SkyDigital

Astra 28.2E, Transponder 47 (10.803H. DVB-S QPSK. MBaud 22,000. FEC 5/6).​

BBC Red Button 1 HD is available via:

Digital cable (UK only): Ch. 991 on Virgin Media UK
Digital satellite (Europe): Ch. 981 on SkyDigital

Astra 28.2E, Transponder 46 (10.788V. DVB-S2 8PSK. MBaud 23,000. FEC 3/4)​

BBC2 (i.e. Standard Definition) is available via:

Digital terrestrial (UK only): Ch. 2 on Freeview
Digital cable (Ireland only):

BBC2 Northern Ireland – Ch. 109 or 709 on Virgin Media Ireland​

Digital satellite (UK only):

BBC2 England – Ch. 968 on Freesat​

Digital satellite (Europe): Ch. 802 (UK) / 844 (IRE) on SkyDigital

BBC2 England – Astra 28.2E, Transponder 47 (10.803H. DVB-S QPSK. MBaud 22,000. FEC 5/6).​

BBC2 HD is available via:

Digital terrestrial (UK only): Ch. 102 on Freeview
Digital cable (UK only): Ch. 102 on Virgin Media UK
Digital cable (Ireland only):

BBC2 England HD – Ch. 109 or 140 on Virgin Media Ireland​

Digital satellite (UK only): Ch. 102 on Freesat

BBC2 England HD – Ch. 949 on Freesat
BBC2 Wales HD – Ch. 971 on Freesat
BBC2 Northern Ireland HD – Ch. 969 on Freesat​

Digital satellite (Europe): Ch. 102 (UK) / 142 (IRE) on SkyDigital

BBC2 England HD (Ch. 970 or 980 on SkyDigital) – Astra 28.2E, Transponder 50 (10.847V. DVB-S2 8PSK. MBaud 23,000. FEC 3/4).
BBC2 Wales HD (Ch. 980 on SkyDigital) – Astra 28.2E, Transponder 48 (10.818V. DVB-S2 8PSK. MBaud 23,000. FEC 3/4).
BBC2 Northern Ireland HD (Ch. 970 on SkyDigital) – Astra 28.2E, Transponder 45 (10.773H. DVB-S2 8PSK. MBaud 23,000. FEC 3/4).​

BBC

Thursday 23rd March 2023 (All times GMT)
BBC RB1 02:00 – 05:50 Pairs Free LIVE
BBC RB1 19:00 – 22:50 Pairs Free

Friday 24th March 2023 (All times GMT)
BBC RB1 08:20 – 12:20 Ladies Free LIVE
BBC RB1 12:20 – 16:10 Pairs Free
BBC RB1 19:00 – 23:00 Ladies Free

Saturday 25th March 2023
BBC RB1 03:30 – 06:00 GMT Free Dance LIVE
BBC RB1 06:00 – 06:55 GMT Free Dance LIVE
BBC RB1 08:20 – 12:20 GMT Men’s Free LIVE
BBC RB1 19:00 – 22:25 GMT Free Dance
BBC RB1 22:25 GMT – 03:25 BST Men’s Free

Sunday 26th March 2023 (All times BST)
BBC RB1 07:20 – 10:45 Free Dance
BBC2 14:45 – 16:10 Highlights
BBC RB1 18:15 – 19:40 Highlights
BBC RB1 22:50 – 00:15 Highlights


British Eurosport

Wednesday 22nd March 2023 (All times GMT)
DISC+ 01:51 – 05:51 Pairs Short LIVE
DISC+ 05:51 – 06:41 Opening Ceremony LIVE
DISC+ 06:41 – 11:55 Ladies Short LIVE
BES1 06:50 – 12:00 Ladies Short LIVE
BES1 12:00 – 13:00 Pairs Short
BES2 16:00 – 17:00 Ladies Short
BES1 21:00 – 22:00 Ladies Short
BES2 22:00 – 23:00 Ladies Short

Thursday 23rd March 2023 (All times GMT)
BES1 00:00 – 01:00 Ladies Short
DISC+ 01:51 – 06:10 Pairs Free LIVE
BES1 03:00 – 04:00 Ladies Short
BES1 05:55 – 06:50 Ladies Short
DISC+ 06:41 – 11:55 Men’s Short LIVE
BES1 06:50 – 12:00 Men’s Short LIVE
BES1 12:00 – 13:00 Pairs Free
BES2 16:00 – 17:00 Men’s Short
BES1 21:00 – 22:00 Men’s Short
BES2 22:00 – 23:00 Men’s Short

Friday 24th March 2023 (All times GMT)
BES1 00:00 – 01:00 Men’s Short
DISC+ 01:51 – 07:14 Short Dance LIVE
BES1 03:00 – 04:00 Men’s Short
BES1 05:45 – 07:15 Short Dance LIVE
BES1 07:15 – 08:20 Men’s Short
DISC+ 08:20 – 12:40 Ladies Free LIVE
BES1 08:20 – 12:40 Ladies Free LIVE
BES2 16:00 – 17:00 Ladies Free
BES1 18:00 – 19:00 Ladies Free
BES1 21:00 – 22:00 Ladies Free
BES2 22:00 – 23:00 Ladies Free

Saturday 25th March 2023 (All times GMT)
BES1 00:00 – 01:00 Ladies Free
BES1 03:00 – 04:00 Ladies Free
DISC+ 03:21 – 07:21 Free Dance LIVE
BES1 05:00 – 07:15 Free Dance LIVE
BES1 07:15 – 08:20 Ladies Free
DISC+ 08:20 – 12:40 Men’s Free LIVE
BES1 08:20 – 12:40 Men’s Free LIVE
BES1 17:00 – 18:00 Men’s Free
BES1 21:00 – 22:00 Men’s Free

Sunday 26th March 2023 (All times BST)
BES1 03:00 – 04:00 Men’s Free
BES2 05:00 – 06:00 Men’s Free
DISC+ 06:51 – 09:38 Gala Exhibition LIVE
BES1 07:00 – 08:00 Men’s Free

Monday 27th March 2023 (All times BST)
BES1 02:00 – 03:00 Ladies Short
BES1 03:00 – 04:00 Men’s Short
BES2 11:00 – 13:00 Short Dance

Tuesday 28th March 2023 (All times BST)
BES1 02:00 – 03:00 Ladies Free
BES1 03:00 – 04:00 Men’s Free
BES1 07:00 – 08:00 Ladies Free
BES2 11:00 – 13:00 Pairs Free

 

[SnowWhite]

Now I don’t want to start any drama so I’ll preface this by saying I don’t think any scores should be changed or medals reassigned. All of the Juniors competing at worlds were lovely and I look forward to seeing them in the future.

Now all the said, have you heard about the drama going on between British Ice Skating, Skate Canada and the ISU? As we all heartbreakingly know Bekker & Hernandez lost out on bronze due to an extended lift violation. Apparently the time keeper was Canadian and is being accused of not also marking down Bashynska & Beaumont for their lift which it is claimed was also extended. I heard from TSL British Figure Skating have protested… I don’t believe anything can change now but it’s apparently much talked about in the ice dance world.

I’m kind of impressed that this isn’t more generally known.

This is referring to the combination lifts in the FD, yes? I tried to time them both myself with a stopwatch, and with Youtube's time codes, and I can't claim to be incredibly accurate with my timing, but I had B/H's combo lift over 12 seconds every time I did it, and B/B's under 12 seconds, if I have the rule correct. At the end of their lift, Nadiia puts one foot down and drags it across the ice briefly, then he spins her again (where she's not touching the ice for a second), then puts her down for good. When Nadiia first touches her foot down, it's well under 12 seconds (I timed it around 10.5-11 sec). When she touches down the 2nd time, I timed it around 12 seconds, so maybe extended.

Bekker/Hernandez actually do something similar, where she touches down then does a little jump, then down again. But she first touches down after 12+ seconds by my count, so already extended, unlike Nadiia.

I think that the time for the lift stops when she puts her foot down the first time (in which case it definitely wasn't extended for B/B), but it's possible I have that wrong.

As for protesting, as far as I understand you can only protest your own scores. So B/H / their coaches / the British fed could protest their extended lift deduction, but not whether another team got one. And you have to protest before the medals are handed out, I believe.

 

[thatdarncat]

Hoping I will be able to watch the ISU stream on Youtube, I can't stand Kat Downes commentry on the BBC she is so bad!

 

[yesterday]

Since someone asked about Dieck and Smart in one of the live threads from Worlds, I also wondered. Tim only posts himself skating on his instagram account.

And I just found Olivia here:



whatever this all means?

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

Since someone asked about Dieck and Smart in one of the live threads from Worlds, I also wondered. Tim only posts himself skating on his instagram account.

And I just found Olivia here:



whatever this all means?

It was me that asked.

"Dancing On Ice" is a celebrity skating series shown on ITV in the UK. It's kinda the same idea as the BBC's "Strictly Come Dancing", but on ice.

Topically, Todd Sand was a "professional" on the first series back in 2006, partnering runner Kelly Holmes.

The only skater to be on every series is Matt Evers. In that time, he has only won it once, back in 2008 with singer Suzanne Shaw. (The following series he was partnered by somebody from my neck of the woods, TV presenter Zoe Salmon).

As far as I know, no Austrians have appeared on the series.

Mark has been a "professional" on it every series since 2011, while Olivia joined it for this year's series. Olivia and her partner, artistic gymnast Nile Wilson, won the series.

I don't watch the series (I prefer watching the real thing!), but I just looked up Wikipedia and each week they have the "professionals" doing a performance. And on that week's episode, it was the turn of Olivia and Mark to lead it.

Hope this helps

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Jumping_Bean]

Now all the said, have you heard about the drama going on between British Ice Skating, Skate Canada and the ISU? As we all heartbreakingly know Bekker & Hernandez lost out on bronze due to an extended lift violation. Apparently the time keeper was Canadian and is being accused of not also marking down Bashynska & Beaumont for their lift which it is claimed was also extended. I heard from TSL British Figure Skating have protested… I don’t believe anything can change now but it’s apparently much talked about in the ice dance world.

Not sure what you mean by timekeeper, but the person responsible for any deductions pertaining to time violations (late start, program too long or too short, extended lifts in ice dance. ...) is the referee. At Jr Worlds, the referee was the Italian Rossella Ceccattini, who is not connected to Canada in any way as far as I know.

Additionally, the lack of prior extended lift deductions for B/B makes me think that they generally did not have any issues with the length of their combination lift (in contrast to B/H, who unfortunately got extended lift deductions for 5 out of 7 FD this season).

 

[DSQ]

This is referring to the combination lifts in the FD, yes? I tried to time them both myself with a stopwatch, and with Youtube's time codes, and I can't claim to be incredibly accurate with my timing, but I had B/H's combo lift over 12 seconds every time I did it, and B/B's under 12 seconds, if I have the rule correct. At the end of their lift, Nadiia puts one foot down and drags it across the ice briefly, then he spins her again (where she's not touching the ice for a second), then puts her down for good. When Nadiia first touches her foot down, it's well under 12 seconds (I timed it around 10.5-11 sec). When she touches down the 2nd time, I timed it around 12 seconds, so maybe extended.

Bekker/Hernandez actually do something similar, where she touches down then does a little jump, then down again. But she first touches down after 12+ seconds by my count, so already extended, unlike Nadiia.

I think that the time for the lift stops when she puts her foot down the first time (in which case it definitely wasn't extended for B/B), but it's possible I have that wrong.

As for protesting, as far as I understand you can only protest your own scores. So B/H / their coaches / the British fed could protest their extended lift deduction, but not whether another team got one. And you have to protest before the medals are handed out, I believe.

Not sure what you mean by timekeeper, but the person responsible for any deductions pertaining to time violations (late start, program too long or too short, extended lifts in ice dance. ...) is the referee. At Jr Worlds, the referee was the Italian Rossella Ceccattini, who is not connected to Canada in any way as far as I know.

Additionally, the lack of prior extended lift deductions for B/B makes me think that they generally did not have any issues with the length of their combination lift (in contrast to B/H, who unfortunately got extended lift deductions for 5 out of 7 FD this season).

I can only say what I heard. I know British Ice Skating did protest their own teams score. Apparently the TSL were going to make a video on it but since it’s WC time I doubt they’ll have time unfortunately. If they do I’ll link it here. As for the original story I reported it’s in their most recent video at about the 35:00 mark.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I can only say what I heard. I know British Ice Skating did protest their own teams score. Apparently the TSL were going to make a video on it but since it’s WC time I doubt they’ll have time unfortunately. If they do I’ll link it here. As for the original story I reported it’s in their most recent video at about the 35:00 mark.

I don't doubt that TSL is spreading drama. It's what they do, they're a drama channel. That doesn't mean they are always right or knowledgeable. That's the thing with rumours and "insider information" - You can't really prove them, can you?

Now, there are timekeepers and they are usually recruited by the organising ISU member, but in Ice Dance there are always two timekeepers. Plus the referee who was not Canadian and has the last word. With three people all doing the same thing, chances of deliberately missed calls for one team in particular seem unlikely.

Checking against the JGPF, B/B's lifts line up perfectly time-wise and they didn't get a deduction there either, with different timekeepers and a different referee.

It's ok to be disappointed that B/H lost out on the bronze because of such a small thing, but on the other hand, it is a lesson for all coaches and ice dance teams out there to listen to consistent technical calls and heed the warnings. With a slightly altered lift, that was just a smidge shorter, they might have gotten bronze here.

 

[DSQ]

It's ok to be disappointed that B/H lost out on the bronze because of such a small thing, but on the other hand, it is a lesson for all coaches and ice dance teams out there to listen to consistent technical calls and heed the warnings. With a slightly altered lift, that was just a smidge shorter, they might have gotten bronze here.

Like I said I wasn’t advocating for a change in scores or anything, I like both teams. I was more surprised to hear that it was apparently a big story in the Ice Dance world that the fans weren’t talking about.

 

[DSQ]

It’s properly hit me that Lilah and Lewis are 4th in the world and I got a bit teary. Unfortunately I happened to be sitting on the train when this happened! I’m so happy.

 

[DSQ]

 

[CaroLiza_fan]

I didn't hear about it at the time, and I haven't seen it myself yet, but Jenna McCorkell was on "Dragon's Den" a couple of weeks ago.

When I was going through the TV listings this morning, I spotted that the Sign Zone version of the episode is being shown TONIGHT (well, strictly speaking, it's the wee small hours of tomorrow morning).

Tuesday 28th March 2023
BBC2 02:00 – 03:00 "Dragon's Den" S20 Ep11

Or, if you want to watch it full screen, here is the iPlayer link:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001k351/dragons-den-series-20-episode-11

The normal version is available on iPlayer until 19:00 on Friday 5th April 2024. So, plenty of time to catch it.

Hope this helps

CaroLiza_fan

 

[Weetos]

Like I said I wasn’t advocating for a change in scores or anything, I like both teams. I was more surprised to hear that it was apparently a big story in the Ice Dance world that the fans weren’t talking about.

I'm curious where you heard this from? I haven't seen anyone else talking about it. But then I avoid TSL like the plague, I find them really catty.

I thought Lilah and Lewis did amazing! I am not much good at picking up on these things but to my eyes their skating skills continue to improve and I thought they looked great. Interested to see what they do for programmes next year.

I think there is an outside chance of Phebe and James getting senior GP assignments? I'm crossing my fingers for it anyway.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I think there is an outside chance of Phebe and James getting senior GP assignments? I'm crossing my fingers for it anyway.

From what I can see, around 40 of the total 60 dance spots on the GP are already determined by the official rules (top 10 Worlds, top 24 WS/top 24 Season's best, possibly returning split team with Smart/Dieck), and maybe 10-15 of those remaining spots will go to host spots or as second spots to highly ranked teams who weren't at Sr Worlds (Hawayek/Baker, Lajoie/Lagha) and Jr Worlds medalists (at least Mrazkova/Mrazek), but the rest of the spots could really go to anyone. The Brits have the advantage (like Mrazkova/Mrazek and Lim/Quan) that they will never be in a situation where they can't be picked for any GP because of country limits and that they are fairly popular among fans, so feds are more likely to invite them.

So a small-ish, but realistic chance they'll get at least one senior GP assignment, but even if they don't end up getting one, they'll definitely be doing Challengers, Euros and Worlds, so by next season they're likely to be in the top 24 in World Standing (Especially with the points from the 2020-21 season dropping off the list completely) and will be guaranteed at least one GP assignment.