Can Chan be on the top again?

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Did you watch the World Championships?

I will be deadly honest. I did not watch the men’s event. The only event I watched was the ice dance because of Kaitlyn and Andrew and all of them. I did go back on YouTube and skim through Javier’s program and Yuzu’s program – and that in itself says a lot – that I skimmed through them. Not because I did not like them. I love Javi’s jumps and Yuzu’s triple Axel. I admire them and I admire a lot of elements of their programs but that is just what it is. I literally fast forwarded to their biggest jumps and then stopped watching.

And he is recycling "Steppin' Out" for his SP which he used in exhibitions and is pretty close in style to "Take 5." I'd like to see him try something that isn't classical or jazzy. And Javier's SP was certainly a new style for him but again...he didn't watch that so he would never know. When will Patrick do a rock program or anything out of his comfort zone? I won't hold my breath.

And I cannot believe that yet another thread has been hijacked for a certain someone to complain about Plushy going to Sochi. Oh, yes I can.

I interpreted his answer differently. Anyway, he was careless about making such sweeping statements but at the very least he specifies that he's talking about the men's free programs. The criticism still stands imo.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Honestly it's really not his place to say that so-and-so needs to do something different (even if Chan himself did a different program every year). Skaters play to their strengths, and they push themselves when they feel comfortable doing so.

To me, the skater who had pushed themselves the most artistically over the past couple season is Brown. He strikes me as one of those skaters who simply refuses to pigeon hole himself, who refuses to do the usual warhorses, and even if a style works for him he tries to reinvent himself constantly to keep it fresh and interesting.

 

[snowflake]

Just wondering... Is this International Figurskating article an exact transcription of the interview?

And... I'm looking forward to taste the Ice Wine (if ever sold in Sweden). Excited about the label and bottle layout :yay:

 

[ice coverage]

Follow-up to my previous post:

Patrick did watch competitions other than Worlds -- according to both the Zaccardi and IFS reports on the media call.

IFS:

Question: Talk about your general feelings observing the men’s field?

Answer: I had a chance to watch a few competitions. I did not watch every single one. I sometimes went back after a few days and looked on YouTube. ...

http://www.ifsmagazine.com/articles/32779-patrick-chan-daredevil-returning-to-competitive-arena​

Zaccardi:

Chan stayed abreast of men’s figure skating in his absence. He watched some competitions, but not all. The only World Championships event he said he watched live was the ice dance. ...

http://olympictalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/05/patrick-chan-figure-skating-comeback-olympics-canada/​

I get that Patrick's comments about the men's field are not going over well with many here in this thread.

Just pointing out that it is not valid to complain that his comments were based only on fast-forwarding through videos of Worlds.

 

[daphenaxa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuJfGH4bFTM&feature=youtu.be&t=461 At the very end, "I can take that he's won overall... I can't take that he's won the free." Although the clip you played is much more explicit.

I think it was very brash of the Euro guys to say Takahashi won overall, when the << quad in the SP was worth about as much as a deduction as Chan's failed 2A. And from a TES score standpoint, Chan and Takahashi were essentially tied in the FS (88.56 for Chan and 88.16 for Takahashi). Takahashi was much cleaner in the FS in terms of how the performance, but Chan had greater GOE on his jumps which made up for the fall. Chan's opening quad scored over 2 points higher than Takahashi's quad, his loop was a full point higher, etc. The reality is, even if Chan got 84 points of PCS, he still would have won. And honestly, overall, Chan did deserve to win, even though the FS was clearly Takahashi's... figure skating is TWO programs, not the FS.

well saying they "can take" that he wins overall doesn't mean at all they think he should have won. They say it is not as outrageous that he wins overall than the fact he won the free.
also I know very well figure skating is two programs thank you. Chan and Takahashi were also over-scored and under-scored respectively in the short. In the free they shouldn't just have equal PCS. Daisuke should be in front. The GOE difference is also questionnable.
Anyways it doesn't matter anymore. Good for you, Patrick won. But I am glad eurosport guys said what they thought and i agree with them

For Hanyu at WC15 he was a bit overscored in the performance/execution. I really don't see where else.

 

[ice coverage]

Just wondering... Is this International Figurskating article an exact transcription of the interview?

And... I'm looking forward to taste the Ice Wine (if ever sold in Sweden). Excited about the label and bottle layout :yay:

My guess would be that what IFS published is not necessarily a complete transcript.

For example, the notable information that Chan's new SP will be "Steppin' Out" was included in other reports on the media call (Bev Smith's and IN's) ... but (oddly) not in the IFS report.

Agree that the ice wine thing is cool .

 

[TheGrandSophy]

I agree that Takahashi should have won the FS too with PCS on par with Chan (around 90 points). Hanyu was new on the scene so his PCS (and the fall) prevented him from winning the FS. Chan's 2nd quad saved him, by granting an extra 4-ish points in base value that he would have otherwise lost doing only a triple... and the lack of a 2nd axel was made up for with the massive GOE on his two quads.

But note that the Euro guys did at least admit that they felt Chan should have won overall... something which to this day most Chan bashers still whine about.

No. They said that 'I can take it...' Taking it is not the same as should. One can infer tolerance and realisation it was tight and there might be a difference in opinion; the other infers the win is agreed as a definitely correct decision.

 

[OS]

Patrick obviously admires Plushy, he sure start to sound like him! If he is Russian, he'd be lauded for his 'legendary' confidence and nonchalant attitude. Perhaps the problem is he is Canadian of Asian origin (plus #1 threat of fans of other men skaters) who are known for their well mannered polite chatter, that actually don't mean that much at the end of the day.

Excuse him for having a perspective! He sure earned them as a a jaded veteran of 7 times Canadian Champion, 3 times World Champion, 2 times GPF champion, 2 times Olympian, an almost Olympic Gold medalist (controversial imo), who has known to express wanting to goto grad school and wanting a more lucrative profession to bail his parents out of debts sponsor him, who is now grudgingly making a return likely due to the Sochi disaster now having to blow his own trumpet marching to his own drums, talking himself into a competitive mindset before the slaying begins.

I consider Hanyu's SP and Denis's SP this season were hugely influenced by Patrick Chan style. For him it must be like watching a watered down version of himself. While Javi's Black Betty was extraordinary due to the none classical route, he skate that program only a charismatic Latino can with passion and flair can (less to do with 'skating') so much so Patrick/Hanyu/Denis/anyone can't. But I did observe the WC Black Betty version wasn't as good as his debut of the season in that he went all out then; where as the WC version felt more cautious and less magical than usual. (Still very good, but not as good as it can be)

When you see things from his perspective (+ long term 'foot in mouth' sufferer) I don't see what the big deal is. It ain't disrespect, it is about reasserting 'authoriteeeeh'!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIc3sE0W-Jo

 

[Krunchii]

We're always talking about drinking during live competitions... we should make Patrick's ice wine our drink of choice, sipping drama as drama unfolds

 

[Ryusa5]

I think Hanyu has improved a lot actually and he should be credited with higher PCS scores. Unfortunately, like Chan, he is being credited with insanely high scores when he messes up. There's no way his SP at Worlds should have been placed ahead of Fernandez's, and I can't believe (or rather, can believe) people were trying to justify a 95 score with a UR fall.

funny you say this now cuz after Hanyu finished skating this is what you said

A lot more crisp than Fernandez' skate... too bad about the quad error, but still pretty strong. Should lead, but shouldn't clear 95 (though it probably will).

 

[xibsuarz]

When you see things from his perspective (+ long term 'foot in mouth' sufferer) I don't see what the big deal is. It ain't disrespect, it is about reasserting 'authoriteeeeh'!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIc3sE0W-Jo

The absolute best way to reassert authority is through his own skating, showing that he is still the top skater, there is no need for him to make statements like this.

 

[MaxSwagg]

I just don't think Patrick likes, er...cares for Yuzu much. It was clear at 2012 Worlds that he was getting weary of him as a legitimate threat... I was starting to warm up to Patrick and it's clear Yuzu looks up to him but I'm first and foremost a Yuzu fan so...time to apologize Patrick.

 

[cruzceleste]

I just don't think Patrick likes, er...cares for Yuzu much. It was clear at 2012 Worlds that he was getting weary of him as a legitimate threat... I was starting to warm up to Patrick and it's clear Yuzu looks up to him but I'm first and foremost a Yuzu fan so...time to apologize Patrick.

Nah, Patrick never gonna apologize, even if someone near to him would point out that he did/say something wrong, I don´t think he will believe it.

 

[Mathman]

We're always talking about drinking during live competitions... we should make Patrick's ice wine our drink of choice, sipping drama as drama unfolds

 

[StitchMonkey]

We're always talking about drinking during live competitions... we should make Patrick's ice wine our drink of choice, sipping drama as drama unfolds

That is a great idea! I think I need to play this game.

 

[Mrs. P]

And then we'll all get drunk AND experience a sugar crash, LOL.

 

[cruzceleste]

And then we'll all get drunk AND experience a sugar crash, LOL.

Somehow I think this wine is bitter...

 

[Mathman]

It's interesting how dfifferent news writers can convey one impression or another, using the same material. Here Patrick comes off as a cool dude who embraces life and can't wait to embrace more of it.

The three-time world champion confirmed last week he was returning to competition after an adventurous year off that included sky diving, surfing and back-country skiing. He even has his own ice wine label, set for release in June.

“I think that (the fun times) will help with my return to skating, to just remind myself that ‘hey, look at how great of a life I have, and skating and the place I finish doesn’t affect at all who I am and what I can do with it.’”

Chan didn’t dare tell coach Kathy Johnson about sky diving until after he was back on safe ground.

“So that I wouldn’t deal with her wrath,” Chan said, laughing.

http://thechronicleherald.ca/sports/1284746-patrick-chan-ready-for-big-leap-back-onto-ice

As for the supposed disrespect of other skaters, this article presents a softer interpretation:

The seven-time Canadian champion was a keen spectator of the ice dancing competition this past season — Kaitlyn Weaver and Andrew Poje, who won world bronze, are good friends and train at the same arena in Detroit. He admitted he “skimmed through” the men’s programs a couple of days after the world championships, fast forwarding to the big jumps.

Post-Olympic seasons usually are lacking and Chan wasn’t super impressed by what he saw.

“Nothing too special — no offence,” he said. “It was a very exciting competition, of course technically everyone did all the quads (quadruple jumps), but we’ve had two, three seasons of these quads coming back into the men’s field, so that’s to be expected now. At this point, especially myself, I look to a skater who is pushing the boundaries program-wise.”

Chan hopes to do just that.

“I want to skate a program that I can get off the ice and say ‘I’m proud of what I just did,’” he said…

 

[Bonesfan]

And then we'll all get drunk AND experience a sugar crash, LOL.

Somehow I think this wine is bitter...

Meaning this wine was made from sour grapes?

I must admit that this thread has been highly entertaining. A nice break from the craziness of work.

 

[Mrs. P]

Somehow I think this wine is bitter...

That would be a first! I've never tasted a bitter ice wine, ha!