Did not miss Plushenko at all!

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Quite frankly, I never liked Plushenko's skating all that much but like Irina, he was a top notch competitor and deserved all his medals except maybe, the silver in SLC.

Joe

 

[zeytin]

And....if we think Plushenko will wow everybody when he joins the ice shows....in Calgary we saw who can really wow an audience: Sandu. His exibition program showed me that he has no peer in this setting. Sandu's performance was so superior to anything I have seen Plushenko do in an exibition.

you must have missed the exhibiton in Olympics, where he was behaved like a super star! some people don't like his chroeagraphy and artistry but in last decade i don't remember anyone beloved from the audience more than plush (except yags!) and crowds don't appreciate so much the skaters who only jumps super but lacks of artistry...

zeytin

 

[zeytin]

i 'll miss these 4 topskaters very much next years...Slutskaya,Kwan,Yagudin and Plushenko..
we watched a real competition and rivalry between these skaters in last 7-8 years...one of them won in a year and the other won next year! they always pushed each other to do better! and it was just amazing to watched them! hope we'll see some other skaters like them but i don't think there will be any in next 4 years...they weren't only great skaters they were also very consistent and this what makes them great and historical champions...

zeytin

 

[Mathman]

Plushenko seems like a very nice young man. I have met him (very, very briefly, LOL) twice. What impressed me the most was his courtesy and respect for his fellow skaters.

Whenever I have seen him skate in person, after the men's competition is over, he always comes out and takes a front row seat for the ladies, cheering them on.

Also on COI he seems like a really nice person, well liked by all of his colleagues in the show.

MM

 

[hockeyfan228]

From watching Worlds on TV, I didn't miss any of the Olympic champions. I think T/M, Arakawa, and Navka/Kostomarov gave great, definitive peak skates in Torino, and left the season at the top of their powers, and while Plushenko skated The Godfather with more focus than passion, I don't think it's the greatest of his programs and didn't lose all that much by his approach; I found it fascinating that he really could go out and skate like the Terminator, and I like his performance in that context. I'm glad the OGMs got to savor their Olympic victories, to regroup with their families and friends, and to enjoy the adoration during the Russian post-Olympic tour (T/M, EP, and N/K), and to do all of this without the nagging sensation of having to think about practicing amidst the media hoopla and post-Olympic appearances.

 

[slutskayafan21]

Oh there is hockeyfan, the individual who thinks a clean Weir with a quad, a clean Lysacek with a quad, a clean Sandhu with a quad, a clean Takahashi, and a clean Buttle with a quad, will all beat a clean Lambiel with a quad, but that that is in way an example of hating and bashing towards Lambiel.

Interesting to note in the short program at Worlds however Weir with two minor mistakes only managed a 73.53, with a quad he would have been only around 77, while Lambiel with two much bigger mistakes still managed to score above 77.
Funny as well to think a skater who was getting beaten in PCS by Lysacek would ever beat Lambiel with both doing a clean skate with quads. Funny as well how even had Lysacek landed his quad perfectly in the long he would have had only a 152, Lambiel without his triple axel downgraded and the mistake on his triple loop would have had a 162. Funny how a close-to-clean Sandhu in the long program could not even come close to Lysacek, let alone Lambiel. Funny how Buttle's 76 for his clean short program at the GP final would have still lost to Lambiel even if you add the point of a quad. Oh well I guess the judges did not confer with hockeyfan for how to judge.

 

[Mathman]

Slute-fan, that post was totally inappropriate and silly. The content of Hockeyfan's post was, wasn't it nice that Plushenko, Totmiania & Marinen and Nafka & Kostomarov had the chance to enjoy some well-earned R & R after their fine Olympic performances.

 

[slutskayafan21]

Slute-fan, that post was totally inappropriate and silly. The content of Hockeyfan's post was, wasn't it nice that Plushenko, Totmiania & Marinen and Nafka & Kostomarov had the chance to enjoy some well-earned R & R after their fine Olympic performances.

So he did say that a clean Weir with a quad, a clean Buttle with a quad, a clean Lysacek with a quad, a clean Takahashi with a quad, and a clean Sandhu with a quad, would all beat Lambiel even if he skated cleanly on the "hate Lambiel" thread demonstrating his own extreme hatred for Lambiel since there is no merit in those comments. The Worlds scoring demonstrated that even more so I couldnt help but gloat about it.

 

[Mathman]

S-fan, nobody on this board has mentioned "hate" and Lambiel" in the same sentence except you. (Um, except in sentences like, "Nobody of this board has mentioned 'hate' and 'Lambiel' in the same setence except you.")

To say than someone "hates Lambiel" because he/she thinks Weir, etc., could beat him if he had a reliable quad -- that's foolishness, and rather uninteresting foolishness at that.

(But I forgive you because I know you are being foolish on purpose just to keep the pot boiling. :agree: )

MM

 

[Dee4707]

Quite frankly, I never liked Plushenko's skating all that much but like Irina, he was a top notch competitor and deserved all his medals except maybe, the silver in SLC.

Joe

Joe, what did he deserve if not the silver? Just curious as to what you think.

Dee

 

[Vash01]

Quite frankly, I never liked Plushenko's skating all that much but like Irina, he was a top notch competitor and deserved all his medals except maybe, the silver in SLC.

Joe

Why do you think he did not deserve the silver in SLC? I am sure you don't mean he deserved the gold. So someone else should have won the silver? Who? Certainly not Tim Goebel who had only jumps (his jumps were great though). Honda bombed in the LP and missed the opportunity.

Vash

 

[Mathman]

I can't speak for Joe, but a lot of people think that Plushenko was held up in the short program. This seemed to be quite a common practice in the 6.0 system. The judges often bent over backward to keep the favorites in the hunt, so they could at least skate for their medal in the long. (It's better theater that way.)

Plus, they had to have someone waiting in the wings to give the gold medal to in case Yagudin faltered. (As Vash says, Goebel?)

MM

 

[Vitacus]

It's called 'talking trash' putting down one's competitors in obvious and not so obvious ways.

"I could do better" is meant to psyche-out future competitors. "He beat me by 30 points and he could _better_????" I hope no skater is naive or dumb enough to fall for it, but ya never know ...

I thought his comment on Joubert (when Joubert beat him) was condescending, (very) rude and a display of poor sportsmanship. Every competitor gets out-skated once in a while, the true champions will acknowledge this.

I've read that in private he's a nice guy, but his public competitor person isn't very laudable.

Trash talk?

For you information, Plushenko did say Joubert was better than him that night and he also said that maybe Joubert needed the title more than him because he already had a few (it can be interpreted as "wanting the title more").

He also said he could have skated much better, which is true, as he fell twice at Euros' that year, so yeah, he could def have skated better.

I don't see this as trying to psyche-out future competitors.

Funny you should mention rudeness. What about some of Joubert's comments?

He did say Lambiel only knows how to spin and had remarks about his problems with the 3 axel (as in the 3 axel being weak).

He did say that he wouldn't want to skate "girly" like Plush and that he preferred the more masculine style to Plush's "effeminate" style.

He did say that plushenko must surely be scared of him because he's being the hunted and knows it while Joubert being the hunter.

He did doubt Lambiel's knee injury at Worlds and before that he doubted Plush's cold at Euro's. He did accuse Plush of playing mindgames with him.

Uh-huh!

This was not even the reason why I wanted to post....I missed Plushenko at Worlds and I'd like to see him kick a$$ next season.

 

[Vash01]

I can't speak for Joe, but a lot of people think that Plushenko was held up in the short program. This seemed to be quite a common practice in the 6.0 system. The judges often bent over backward to keep the favorites in the hunt, so they could at least skate for their medal in the long. (It's better theater that way.)

Plus, they had to have someone waiting in the wings to give the gold medal to in case Yagudin faltered. (As Vash says, Goebel?)

MM

Plushenko did get the mandatory deduction on the technical marks because of the fall on the quad combo. It did not affect the rest of his program - he skated great rest of the way- so he got high marks for presentation as he should have. He did place below Honda and Goebel who skated clean SP's. All the other skaters had at least one mistake in their SP's. Davydov skated clean, but without a quad, and he was much lower in skating skills. So his 4th place in the SP was fully justified. It did take him out of contention for the gold because there was no way either Goebel (lack of artistry) and Honda (lack of consistency on jumps) was going to beat Yagudin even if he fell twice. Many people have criticized Plushenko's 4ht place in the SP but they have focused only on the fall and not on the rest of the program. They have also ignored the fact that other skaters below him had made mistakes and they did not have the mastery of other things that Plushenko did.

Vash

 

[slutskayafan21]

A truck would not crush a mouse before Vash01 ever admits Plushenko has ever been overscored in the slightest in any area. Tell me Vash01 do you believe Plushenko deserves his mid-8s for transitions and choreography for his sterling stroke-to-the-end-of-the-ice and budge-an-arm a bit programs; or the +2s for GEO on his spins(ROTFL!)? He does not need them to win so the judges need not embarass themselves by giving out such silly scores in areas like this but they do so anyway.

 

[Vash01]

A truck would not crush a mouse before Vash01 ever admits Plushenko has ever been overscored in the slightest in any area. Tell me Vash01 do you believe Plushenko deserves his mid-8s for transitions and choreography for his sterling stroke-to-the-end-of-the-ice and budge-an-arm a bit programs; or the +2s for GEO on his spins(ROTFL!)? He does not need them to win so the judges need not embarass themselves by giving out such silly scores in areas like this but they do so anyway.

S-fan, my post was regarding the 2002 Olympics, in response to certain posts by Joe and MM. I have not made statements that said 'ever' or 'never' which you seem to make frequently (note- not 'every time').

Almost every skater (particularly top ones) has received a gift one time or another. In this case however (2002 SP) it was not a gift, as I explained above. It is based on my eyewitness account of the competition, meaning I saw every skater skate (not just what they showed on TV). I don't expect to read reason, however, from you.

Vash

 

[slutskayafan21]

I don't expect to read reason, however, from you.

Vash

Oh that was a stinging blow. :chorus: :chorus:

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

from reading these digs at poor Stephane, one has to believe that the determining factor to win a World's championship is a 3A. yeah, yeah.

If hockeyfan thinks all those boys can beat Stephane, that's ok. I don't. The only one I think can beat Stephane is Brian who does have 2 nifty quads. I also think Brian is back and is determined to beat Stephane.

Stephane won the 2006 Worlds Championship under the CoP system despite a controversial 3A. It was a question of the points. Stephane had the points. Anyone who has full faith in the CoP system just has to realize that. Maybe if the system was 6.0 it would have been different?

Joe

 

[Mathman]

Maybe if the system was 6.0 it would have been different?

Nope. Lambiel still wins, 6.75 factored placements to 7.75.

 

[julietvalcouer]

On the original topic--nope, won't miss Plushenko at all. He's a great technical skater and a boring 'artist' (at least where his competitive programs were concerned.) Flailing arms and dull footwork to fill time between jumping passes. Give me Alexei Yagudin a thousand times over--I'd rather watch him now, with no quads and only a couple jumps, than sit through yet another performance by Plushenko that's, as David Pelletier put it on OI, "Crosscut, crosscut, crosscut, jump, crosscut, crosscut, crosscut, jump."