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Ekaterina Bobrova & Dmitri Soloviev

Wow, the first 3 minutes of that program are truly exquisite. I can hardly wait to see the whole thing as polished!
 
sneakers said:
I like it, who ever said B/S are beatable ? well as for their programs its way better than the other russian ice dance couples so far,
they are in track to stay as russian no.1 for a record number of years now !!!
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They've been consistent but that record was interrupted when they missed the 2014/15 season and RusLena took over for a year ... good to have them back!
 
Today they're going to skate SD in Samara, and FD is tomorrow. I can't visit :slink:
 
coldblueeyes said:
SD Version 1 and Version 2.
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Well, not perfect skate to be honest, but still better than at test skates. I see they changed second part on their Not Touching Step Sequence, but they stopped during it. This stop bothers me very much because it's not allowed. Unless it's too short to be considered a full stop :scratch2:
 
Snow63 said:
Well, not perfect skate to be honest, but still better than at test skates. I see they changed second part on their Not Touching Step Sequence, but they stopped during it. This stop bothers me very much because it's not allowed. Unless it's too short to be considered a full stop :scratch2:
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Yeah, I was wondering the same about the stop, because although it is short, it's a stop nonetheless, and they've been doing it in the three/four times we saw them perform the short. Perhaps they could consider it more like a highlight of the music or anything like that. But we'll see how the panel at Nepela is going to see that.
 
coldblueeyes said:
Yeah, I was wondering the same about the stop, because although it is short, it's a stop nonetheless, and they've been doing it in the three/four times we saw them perform the short. Perhaps they could consider it more like a highlight of the music or anything like that. But we'll see how the panel at Nepela is going to see that.
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Yeah, the rules are pretty clear about this.

Not Permitted Elements in Step Sequences: stops, pattern retrogressions and loops must not be included and are restricted in Step Sequences and Partial Step Sequence. They are identified as Not Permitted Elements.

In worst case scenario they'll get 2 grades GOE reduction for Not Permitted Element. we'll see at Nepela. At least this will not happen in their first GP event, that's what Challengers for.
 
Snow63 said:
Yeah, the rules are pretty clear about this.

Not Permitted Elements in Step Sequences: stops, pattern retrogressions and loops must not be included and are restricted in Step Sequences and Partial Step Sequence. They are identified as Not Permitted Elements.

In worst case scenario they'll get 2 grades GOE reduction for Not Permitted Element. we'll see at Nepela. At least this will not happen in their first GP event, that's what Challengers for.
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I didn't know the exact wording, but it's pretty clear indeed. I wonder if no one at the test skates or now thought this was not permitted? Or as I said, this kind of stop is not considered a stop, I guess?

I'm actually waiting to see if there's going to be protocols for us to see, because maybe they caught that, but by the score I doubt it.
 
coldblueeyes said:
I didn't know the exact wording, but it's pretty clear indeed. I wonder if no one at the test skates or now thought this was not permitted? Or as I said, this kind of stop is not considered a stop, I guess?

I'm actually waiting to see if there's going to be protocols for us to see, because maybe they caught that, but by the score I doubt it.
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Okay, I had a chance to ask a VERY knowledgeable person about this, and that's what she answered me (sorry for rough translation, you can still understand it):

'... this question was asked during judging meetings this season. The answer is clear and simple: ISU specifies 'stop' as action (or non-action) in which one or both dancers remain stationary on the ice for any amount of time. However, only full stops more than 5 seconds long during SD or FD classify as 'Violation of choreographic restrictions'. In SD up to 2 full stops (not more than 5 seconds) are permitted and after that every stop becomes 'Violation of choreographic restrictions', in FD any amount of full stops are permitted (up to 5 seconds). Dance spins and pirouettes also considered by judges as stops, which is important in SD where not more than 2 full stops are permitted.
... however, these stops are permitted only during the dance as transitional elements, elements of choreography or required elements (such as Stationary lift or Dance spin). But stops inside other elements, which do not require stopping in them (such as not stationary lifts, twizzle sequences or step sequences) are not permitted no matter how long dancers stay stationary. In case of Not Touching Step Sequence stops are considered Not Permitted Elements, which means that Judges should reduce GOE for such step sequence by 2 grades for each stop'.
 
coldblueeyes said:
Well, there's going to be a reduction of GOE, then. Or at least I hope it will happen now and not later.
But I wonder if it's this clear, why are they even doing it?

Thanks for the info, Snow!
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I have no idea. It was there from the test skates actually. Maybe it's okay after all, there was tons of technical specialists and experts, including Alla Shekhovtseva. She knows rules, that's for sure. I don't know anything anymore :hopelessness:

I guess we just have to wait and see. Nepela Trophy is this week already :)
 
Much improved from test skates. But why do their experts seem so out of touch with the rules? Or is it that Zhulin put his foot down? It seems to be one of the highlights of their Ntstsq. :palmf:
 
Snow63 said:
Okay, I had a chance to ask a VERY knowledgeable person about this, and that's what she answered me (sorry for rough translation, you can still understand it):

'... this question was asked during judging meetings this season. The answer is clear and simple: ISU specifies 'stop' as action (or non-action) in which one or both dancers remain stationary on the ice for any amount of time. However, only full stops more than 5 seconds long during SD or FD classify as 'Violation of choreographic restrictions'. In SD up to 2 full stops (not more than 5 seconds) are permitted and after that every stop becomes 'Violation of choreographic restrictions', in FD any amount of full stops are permitted (up to 5 seconds). Dance spins and pirouettes also considered by judges as stops, which is important in SD where not more than 2 full stops are permitted.
... however, these stops are permitted only during the dance as transitional elements, elements of choreography or required elements (such as Stationary lift or Dance spin). But stops inside other elements, which do not require stopping in them (such as not stationary lifts, twizzle sequences or step sequences) are not permitted no matter how long dancers stay stationary. In case of Not Touching Step Sequence stops are considered Not Permitted Elements, which means that Judges should reduce GOE for such step sequence by 2 grades for each stop'.
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I feel Smarter and Better Informed for having read this!

HOWEVER, I think a much bigger problem for them is that those two pieces of music simply do not go together. It makes the program seem like two halves that have been smooshed together rather than seamlessly integrated.

I rather miss her sexy man's shirt costume.
 
WeakAnkles said:
I feel Smarter and Better Informed for having read this!

HOWEVER, I think a much bigger problem for them is that those two pieces of music simply do not go together. It makes the program seem like two halves that have been smooshed together rather than seamlessly integrated.

I rather miss her sexy man's shirt costume.
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Have you watched many of the SDs ?
Lots of them have 2 disjointed pieces of music, very few join the 2 pieces together seamlessly.
Swing and Blues are 2 different genres, so quite difficult to blend them together.
 
WeakAnkles said:
I feel Smarter and Better Informed for having read this!

HOWEVER, I think a much bigger problem for them is that those two pieces of music simply do not go together. It makes the program seem like two halves that have been smooshed together rather than seamlessly integrated.

I rather miss her sexy man's shirt costume.
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Yes, the transition is not quite seamless. But I have problem with the swing part not because of the transition. I'm honestly sick and tired of Zhulin's mania to use EVERY WARHORSE music pieces possible for their programs! Anna Karenina was such a bright idea and IMO, it was a brilliant dance itself. And here we go again: Sing! Sing! Sing! and Four Seasons in FD! What the hell! After Masqurade waltz/R&J combo too, which was not the most original options. :dbana:

Edit: And I forgot to mention that their SD in 2015 should have been to 'Carmen' :dbana:

Edit#2: I hope he's not planning POTO for the Olympic season! I will burn my Stan Card the moment he'll do that :dbana::dbana::dbana:
 
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Snow63 said:
Edit#2: I hope he's not planning POTO for the Olympic season! I will burn my Stan Card the moment he'll do that :dbana::dbana::dbana:
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For what is worth, if he's using the four seasons and there's no birds in it I'm fine :laugh2:

Unless he's saving the birds for POTO? Is that even a possibility?
 
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