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Even if Russian age of consent is 16, you are still underage at 16 as the age of majority is 18!
They should put a limitation to the age of the partner too if the person is 16.
Didn't they start dating in 2011 when she was 17?
Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split
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Even if Russian age of consent is 16, you are still underage at 16 as the age of majority is 18!
They should put a limitation to the age of the partner too if the person is 16.
Didn't they start dating in 2011 when she was 17?
My cousin (18 yo) married on 15 yo girl. It's legal here, they only need her parents agreement.
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Age of majority is not the same as age of consent. Where I grew up in Illinois, USA age of consent was/is 16 (like Russia), age of majority (meaning can vote/get married) is 18, and age of being able to drink is (IMO ridiculously) 21. These things (majority and sexual consent) are unrelated to each other in MANY places. Off the top of my head, I know they are in many US states, England, Spain, Russia. I am positive that were I to google it I could find others. Whether they should be related is a theoretical question for another place and time. However, the fact is that most countries recognize the reality, which is that most people don't wait until they are 18 to have sex or make sexual decisions, and it is not realistic to think you can make them.
This is going to be my last post on this, but my main point, throughout, is quite simply that under Russian law only, what has happened between Elena and Moorov is not illegal. The only reason I have been on about this is that several people kept saying she was underage when this happened and that it was therefore not legal. This just isn't true, end of story. As this entire thread proves, there is plenty to say here that is negative without pretending something that is not true.
Aside from the 35+ pages of yucky personal gossip posted here that may not even be true at all (not surprising considering it is Goldenskate), any other new information on this partnership?
I don't think they'll split and this "split" just some false gossip spread around to create some excitement in time for Worlds.
I don't think they'll split and this "split" just some false gossip spread around to create some excitement in time for Worlds.
No news.
And for me 'no news' is good news in this case.
Edit: last word we had from Morozov after Worlds. He said they're going to rest, and then will start training for the next season. I think we can believe him at this point.
Yes. No news is good news.
Oh look. Some actual news in this thread. Not assumptions about sleeping arrangements and other yucky personal stuff. Thank you. So I/K are still together and are not splitting. Good news.
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Ah, I see we are now onto a topic that really winds me up: the different ages that you can do different things.
So, can I just add a couple of things to what tulosai has already explained (and very well explained it was too!)
As this thread has shown, there is far too much confusion with different countries having different ages for doing different things.
Like, if you are in your late teens and you are travelling somewhere, it must be a nightmare knowing what you are allowed to do where.
When I was at Uni, we had a couple of American exchange students over (one was from Virginia, and I can’t remember where the other was from). And, let’s just say they made the most of being old enough to do more things than they would be allowed to do back home…
For me, it would be a lot simpler if everywhere in the world had the same age for doing everything. And for me, the sensible age that that should be is 18.
But it is not just between countries – there are variations within countries as well. Take the UK, where I live.
Play National Lottery: 16
Drink (Scotland): 16
Buy Knives (Scotland): 16
Vote (Scotland): 16
Sex (England, Scotland, Wales): 16
Drive: 17
Sex (Northern Ireland): 17
Legally an Adult: 18
Drink (England, Wales, Northern Ireland): 18
Buy Knives (England, Wales, Northern Ireland): 18
Vote (England, Wales, Northern Ireland): 18
The reason for the variations in age is because Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have devolved parliaments/assemblies which can make their own decisions (curiously, England doesn't have any devolved institutions). And the politicians in these institutions have their own agendas.
Wales has always been very close to England (they were unified in 1535), and has tended to keep things the same as they are in England.
In Scotland, the age for doing things tends to be at the lower end of the scale. This is only a recent trend, and it is largely because a lot of Scottish politicians are pro-independence. These politicians are trying to appeal directly to their younger constituents, so that they will vote for independence in the upcoming referendum.
In Northern Ireland, the age of doing things tends to be at the higher end of the scale. This is because we have tribal politics along religious lines. And the politicians here tend to be ultra-conservative as well as religious.
And as for the age for playing the National Lottery being so low, that is because 12% of the money from ticket sales goes directly to the government. And hence they want as many people playing as possible, so that they get as in as much money as possible!
I am not very well versed in international laws, but from what I gather, there is even more variation in America – different laws in different states. As for Russia, I have no idea how much power the individual Republics actually have when it comes to making laws!
So, when we are discussing issues like this, it is important to remember that because of cultural differences and political agendas, laws are hardly ever the same in different countries… or even within the same country.
So, we should not be judging Ilinykh and Morozov with our own customs and laws in mind, as local customs and laws are probably very different.
But I still think Elena should have more sense than to get involved with somebody with Morozov's reputation!
CaroLiza_fan
So, can I just add a couple of things to what tulosai has already explained (and very well explained it was too!)
As this thread has shown, there is far too much confusion with different countries having different ages for doing different things.
Like, if you are in your late teens and you are travelling somewhere, it must be a nightmare knowing what you are allowed to do where.
When I was at Uni, we had a couple of American exchange students over (one was from Virginia, and I can’t remember where the other was from). And, let’s just say they made the most of being old enough to do more things than they would be allowed to do back home…
For me, it would be a lot simpler if everywhere in the world had the same age for doing everything. And for me, the sensible age that that should be is 18.
But it is not just between countries – there are variations within countries as well. Take the UK, where I live.
Play National Lottery: 16
Drink (Scotland): 16
Buy Knives (Scotland): 16
Vote (Scotland): 16
Sex (England, Scotland, Wales): 16
Drive: 17
Sex (Northern Ireland): 17
Legally an Adult: 18
Drink (England, Wales, Northern Ireland): 18
Buy Knives (England, Wales, Northern Ireland): 18
Vote (England, Wales, Northern Ireland): 18
The reason for the variations in age is because Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have devolved parliaments/assemblies which can make their own decisions (curiously, England doesn't have any devolved institutions). And the politicians in these institutions have their own agendas.
Wales has always been very close to England (they were unified in 1535), and has tended to keep things the same as they are in England.
In Scotland, the age for doing things tends to be at the lower end of the scale. This is only a recent trend, and it is largely because a lot of Scottish politicians are pro-independence. These politicians are trying to appeal directly to their younger constituents, so that they will vote for independence in the upcoming referendum.
In Northern Ireland, the age of doing things tends to be at the higher end of the scale. This is because we have tribal politics along religious lines. And the politicians here tend to be ultra-conservative as well as religious.
And as for the age for playing the National Lottery being so low, that is because 12% of the money from ticket sales goes directly to the government. And hence they want as many people playing as possible, so that they get as in as much money as possible!
I am not very well versed in international laws, but from what I gather, there is even more variation in America – different laws in different states. As for Russia, I have no idea how much power the individual Republics actually have when it comes to making laws!
So, when we are discussing issues like this, it is important to remember that because of cultural differences and political agendas, laws are hardly ever the same in different countries… or even within the same country.
So, we should not be judging Ilinykh and Morozov with our own customs and laws in mind, as local customs and laws are probably very different.
But I still think Elena should have more sense than to get involved with somebody with Morozov's reputation!
CaroLiza_fan
I wouldn't tell it better. Thanks. :thumbsup:
TheGothicEme said:
neraiselle said:
As to Vasiliev (who was mentioned before), Zhulin, Morozov and many others – in Soviet Union a marriages between partners were supported a lot (also they almost didn’t see anybody else but his/her partner all days long), so many couples got married – from Federation it was more easy to keep a couple together (no splitting between married once), they also could share one room – which was less expensive – so in the eyes of Federation it was very practical.
As I know Zhulin married Navka in 2000, the same year daughter Sasha (Alexandra) was born, they divorced in 2010, while last years were not ideal. Navka had a public affair with one of actors who she skated with Marat Basharov (around 2006/07), around divorcing time she started dating Alex Vorobiev, a Russian actor/singer, Zhulin was connected with Natalia Mikhailova (it was around 2007/08 season, she was 21 years old), this relationship was oficially announced in 2010 after divorce, they live together until today (I am not sure if they are married or not, probably not). In 2013 Natalia gave birth of daughter Ekaterina.
Morozov is connected with almost all skaters, especially ice dancers, but almost no relationships were official, he almost never admited that there was something happening between him and some of his students. His second wife is French, third wife was Shae-Lynn, this was official only. After splitting with Miki Ando he gave some interview in Russia (probably some yellow press), where he mentioned Miki was his girlfriend and told something like that he needs a Russian woman. He has a daughter Annabelle.
I must say that I have no idea how could Russian Federation influence relationships between coach and student, they can give an advice (and they probably should give an advise to Morozov), but what will he and his student do, it is their decision, no way Russian Federation‘s decision. If you want to shoot Morozov for having a relationship with too young skater (but not underaged), you have to prove that she was manipulated and she didn’t want it – how do you want to prove it? She will tell you? No, she would sustain that she wanted it and it is her life. The same would say Morozov. And what will you do then? Nothing, of course.
(Piseev was born around 1941 and his wife Alla Shechovtsova was born 1964, so age difference is not something what would be shocking for Russian Federation especially Piseev.)
Until this moment there are not many people who would think that their personal relationships Lena + Morozov or Lena + Nikita were a reason why a couple made mistakes/falls and lost placements throught those three years. Once somebody would start to connect love romances between all those three and skating with mistakes, than it would be a real topic to discuss for Russian Federation - that would be taken into account (as I know it never happened), but hardly any personal relationships would be seriously taken into account.
I am almost sure that only few people from Russian Federation read forum and boards and notice that people are worried about Lena in Morozov’s hands. Oficially nobody never complained. And the couple spend with Morozov every half season abroad and second half of season in Novogorsk – how many times somebody from Federation visited pratices to see how are real relationships between those three?
Another thing is Morozov's life style...I think most of you are people who are partly close to skating world or not really close to skating world, some of you are probably judges and ISU members, coaches, skaters...you all know about Morozov's affairs (sometimes maybe even more than Morozov himself)...do you really believe that a girl who lives in the middle of figure skating world since her childhood and have all those true/rumours from first hand (so she knows all of this even sooner than you)...do you really believe that she didn't know what is Morozov like hearing all those affair's things? Don't be funny. Of course she knew, he had those affairs even before she was born, and Morozov's love affairs with majority of his skaters were discussed for years...the girl knew perfectly what is Morozov like when they started a romance. And she had a choice - young innocent 19 year old Nikita who was her boyfriend until summer 2011 (this relationship was supported by her mother and many fans) or playboy 36 years old Morozov....and she chose.
So I fully agree with TheGothicEme and Neraiselle that is was her choice and her life and there is no reason why to persist on it and repeat that she was/was not underaged, she was right/she was not right.
This is wise, I agree, unfortunately I don't believe that any coach would agree with this. They would lose their students (very often promising students) and they would also lose a possibility of daily meetings, because skaters spend most of day at ice rinks.
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No news is not good news definitely.
Some facts:
Nobody from I&K or S&Z or some other top Russian dancers is registered on Ice Partner Search Database. http://www.icepartnersearch.com/
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?91935-Ilinykh-and-Katsalapov-Swan-Song
http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/16712.html
Vaitsekhovskaya wrote in interview that Sinitsina will immediately after World Champs go to US and start to train with Nikita.
But S&Z’s coach said that a couple is resting and then they will do some exercises, shows and start to prepare for next season.
….this shows that Vaitsekhovkaya and Zueva didn’t have good info (of course expecting that Alexeeva is right, but all interviews of Russian skaters and coaches with quotes are under control of Russian Federation this year and Federation must agree with every interview until it is free for publishing, so I expect that this is true info).
http://fyeahilinykhkatsalapov.tumblr.com/post/79744184184/35-shows-after-wch
Before World Championships I&K told that they have a contract for 35 shows during whole April, I somewhere read that they start immediately after Worlds to catch it all. While other skaters (Kovtun, Radionova, Stolbova&Klimov, Voronov, Menshow) have photos and videos from shows in Russia already, nothing about I&K – no videos or photos, last videos are from post Olympic show or from Mishin’s show in the beginning of March.
But having 35 shows in April – I expect that such big number means skating from the beginning of the months….but no mentions about I&K doing shows.
That leads to think that something is happening.
Russian Federation, Morozov and I&K know how much attention this split thing got and still gets. While Alexeeva was allowed to give a deny about splitting of S&Z, why Morozov or Federation didn’t do the same with I&K? They know how many talks are around it…and they are still quiet.
Morozov said during Worlds they hadn't decided what to do about the shows or if they were doing the whole tour - they needed a break and some rest straight after Worlds. And I know that Lena said to the girl who runs that tumblr long before any of these rumours came out that they wouldn't be starting the shows immediately, there would definitely be two weeks off at least. It's not unusual for couples to reassess their plans for shows & so on at the end of the season - Chock/Bates have pulled out of a lot of the Stars on Ice shows because they decided resting and starting to think about next season is more important. So I don't know how much you can read into them not being on the tour right now.
The federation haven't said out & out no, but they've said a lot that sounds like they would be against it - starting with "We've had no notification of a split, people are just trying to upset our skaters" (and remember the original report said the federation was ready to announce the changes as soon as Worlds was over), then saying after Worlds that it would be madness to break up two of their top couples, and they would not permit it. I would guess that what is happening is that they are being given a break, some time to think about things - the federation will not allow Nikita to skate with Viktoria I am sure, so now it's just whether I/K think they can make it work together again, and if yes, are they sticking with Morozov or do they need to find someone else. If it does come down to finding a new coaching environment, I suppose we won't hear much for a while as they try to sort all that out.
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I don't want Nikita to stay with Elena unless they change coaches or she ends the relationship with Morozov. I don't think it is good for him to stay with a partner who dates their coach.
She has ended the relationship. They've been done for a few months now.
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http://news.sport-express.ru/2014-04-06/685978/
briefly Nikita+Victoria (Morozov), Elena+Ruslan (Kustarova) and Larionov+Natalia Zabiyako (Mozer)
briefly Nikita+Victoria (Morozov), Elena+Ruslan (Kustarova) and Larionov+Natalia Zabiyako (Mozer)
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So Bazarova and Zabiyako's partner are the 2 unpaired, then?
Will Zabiyako & Larionov skate for Russia or Estonia ?
Will Zabiyako & Larionov skate for Russia or Estonia ?
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Nothing about their partners.
For Russia.
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Bing translate yields
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Wow so much about no News is Good News lol.
I am glad for Nikita if this is what he wanted.
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