Elena Ilinykh & Ruslan Zhiganshin
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I also love the program and don't want to change it 
So I'm not just complaining, I was really impressed with how much they cleaned up the partial sequence!
Yeah. The choreography, P/E and I/T scores are OK but not amazing, and it's hard to tell how much of that is being at the start of the 2nd group, and how much is judges just not liking it. Maybe we'll get a better idea tomorrow seeing where the PCS goes for Frida.
I just don't know. I probably would have their PCS below C/L & C/B on these performances, but not that far - 0.5 & 1 behind for SS is ridiculous, and the transitions mark was low as well.
Maybe it`s good that they probably won`t qualify for the GPF, so they can rework their SD. I like it, but it seems like the international judges don`t.
Yeah. The choreography, P/E and I/T scores are OK but not amazing, and it's hard to tell how much of that is being at the start of the 2nd group, and how much is judges just not liking it. Maybe we'll get a better idea tomorrow seeing where the PCS goes for Frida.
I just don't know. I probably would have their PCS below C/L & C/B on these performances, but not that far - 0.5 & 1 behind for SS is ridiculous, and the transitions mark was low as well.
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I really enjoy this SD. I think they needed to sell it a bit more here. They looked a bit nervous. The audience loved them!
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Maybe it`s good that they probably won`t qualify for the GPF, so they can rework their SD. I like it, but it seems like the international judges don`t.
I also agree unfortunately. I really like it but I do believe they were being sent a message and the protocols (and diversity in them) show that... maybe not even really an intentional message, the judges seem 'confused' as someone else said :dumb:
Not sure what to think. I'm a bit confused, looking back at the dance that was so fresh, and different. But on the other hand the scores were so close. But what in tarnations was the script with C/B PCS. Was it that at no costs should they be allowed to bypass them?
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My worry is that there is no time to change anything before CoR, and if they lose to S/K there people will start saying all sorts of things. Even if they have time to change things before Nats, it is hard to come back if you're perceived to have lost momentum. They have to absolutely nail Frida tomorrow.
I should stop stressing, their score was higher than S/K with what felt like a tougher panel, but.... but... :hpull:
I should stop stressing, their score was higher than S/K with what felt like a tougher panel, but.... but... :hpull:
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Honestly if there was a year for this to happen, this is probably the best one. It's never good to lose momentum but they have time to gain it again before the Olympics which is their real goal... in the whole scheme of things this year is a drop in the bucket.
I do agree that if this is how the international panels are going to view the program they aren't in a good position right now though. Hopefully they will be able to rework it before Nats and come back stronger than ever.
I do think overall they are still in an okay position, just maybe not quite as good as we had hoped.
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I have not seen the performance but what I get from the protocols they didn't lose the TES to either CL, let alone CB which are held up by the judges thanks to their crazy GoE's and PCS scores. The problem I see is with the PCS which I find to be totally ridiculous because whether they like the concept and the approach or not you simply cannot give them 6 and 7s for TR to a program which has a lot of transitions and 7s for their SS.
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Yes, this is my point. Go watch it Alba, it was better than the PCS reflect. They honestly based on the skate C/B had should have been closer to second. But my word what a wonderful ice dancer is Lena Ilinykh. How are they so far out of first is beyond me.
We have seen W/P make very quick adjustments and look much stronger, so I'm sure it can be done, it's just not ideal. B/S also had a similar issue in 2010/11, and ended up with their Chess SD which was really my favourite thing they ever did.
If the judges can "get" a program like C/B's which I thought was incoherent nonsense, I don't see why they can't get I/Z's which is at least consistent musically, even if the change in mood is very abrupt. But I think it's clear here that they aren't sure about it, and given the 2 spots for Worlds, this isn't the time to risk having a program that isn't liked.
Quick coincidence: I was a bit nervous for them this morning and while on my way to work, I was having trouble with catching a radio station with proper signal, and the first one that I caught was airing Somebody to Love =)
When I saw the scores and the reactions in the thread I thought: oh crap, they'll be 7 points off C/B when they finish, but it turns out the field is very open this time so tomorrow maybe they'll go up and, most importantly, get a medal. I saw the protocols and it was better than I thought, it was not so good in PCS (or they were either held down for skating earlier or the jugdes really don't enjoy the dance) but I don't think it's time to freak out or say they should change the SD ASAP, even if they lose to S/K in CoR. They'll know what to do better than anyone and we should trust them and their abilities.
When I saw the scores and the reactions in the thread I thought: oh crap, they'll be 7 points off C/B when they finish, but it turns out the field is very open this time so tomorrow maybe they'll go up and, most importantly, get a medal. I saw the protocols and it was better than I thought, it was not so good in PCS (or they were either held down for skating earlier or the jugdes really don't enjoy the dance) but I don't think it's time to freak out or say they should change the SD ASAP, even if they lose to S/K in CoR. They'll know what to do better than anyone and we should trust them and their abilities.
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Let's say you are right but are you sure that W&P and C&B are held up with the new programs because the programs really work or because they would be in anycase? What I mean is, are we sure that even if IZ would change the SD into the most classical of pieces and skate the hell out of it we will not see 6s and 7s for TR and SS? Because it beats me to see CB and CL having 8s and 9s there compared with these two. I guess we will see tomorrow since there is no doubt that their Frida program is the most difficult FD among all couples and it's FULL of Transitions.
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I've noticed judges hold back on PCS until they are certain about what they can expect from a skater or couple. Like Lipnitskaia's SP marks being in the 7's when it was in the 8's last year. IZ have botched the FD in their last 3 competitions (not counting WTT) so they aren't giving them the benefit of the doubt yet.
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Good point. Even Carmen didn`t score as high as W/P´s or C/L`s SD last season and Carmen was a masterpiece.
This. Because looking back at just blade to ice, in terms of how everyone skated, it looks like the panel had I/Z pegged for third before they even stepped on the ice.
