Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
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Interesting how our expectations have risen... First it was, pleaseplease Liza just skate better than last season and make a statement. Then it was, finally, a clean long program! Then it was, make the team, make the team. Now it's become... you need to win! You need to bring triple axel!! Maybe the judges feel a bit of this too, and instead of just going, "Welcome back," they want to push her to bring the arsenal they know she has.
Btw, for anyone who didn't follow the event thread: B. Eurosport says they saw her landing excellent triple axels, like one of the guys. So her Instagram video isn't just a one-off. The problem is she's--oddly, for her--struggled to skate the free completely clean this year. Not sure if adding content will help. (On the other hand, I believe her FS mistakes were all from nerves, not ability).
Btw, for anyone who didn't follow the event thread: B. Eurosport says they saw her landing excellent triple axels, like one of the guys. So her Instagram video isn't just a one-off. The problem is she's--oddly, for her--struggled to skate the free completely clean this year. Not sure if adding content will help. (On the other hand, I believe her FS mistakes were all from nerves, not ability).
Yeah, nerves and a bit of bad luck with the knee at Nationals. She was fab at the GPF though.
Edit:
http://instagram.com/p/yce5cbTQWZ
Matches her LP dress perfectly.
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http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/20150129/802988242.html
STOCKHOLM, January 29 - R-Sport, Maria Vorobyov, Andrew Simonenko. Russian figure skater Elizabeth Tuktamysheva said it is too quiet sound of music at the Stockholm "Globen Arena", where the European championship , has deprived her feelings drive in the short program.
Tuktamysheva purely made a cascade of two triple toe loop, triple Lutz and Axel in the two and a half turns. The winner of the Grand Prix Final was 69.02 points, she is leading at the moment when left to speak three participants.
"Music is so quiet that even some drive in the program was not, is not the bolero, which we train, - said Tuktamysheva in conversation with journalists. - Even wonder how music can affect feelings."
Skater added that red stands arena has not prevented her to skate well. "Red grandstand initially surprised, but when she was trained and found that they do not crush and do not knock," - said Tuktamysheva.
Athlete noted that the axel in three and a half turns, over whom she had worked before the European Championship, while "not enough rehearsed" to include it in the short program. "We decided to just skate quietly," - she concluded.
Sergei also said the music was too quiet yesterday, and I believe Elena Ilinykh did as well. What a shame. I guess they can't do anything about it?
STOCKHOLM, January 29 - R-Sport, Maria Vorobyov, Andrew Simonenko. Russian figure skater Elizabeth Tuktamysheva said it is too quiet sound of music at the Stockholm "Globen Arena", where the European championship , has deprived her feelings drive in the short program.
Tuktamysheva purely made a cascade of two triple toe loop, triple Lutz and Axel in the two and a half turns. The winner of the Grand Prix Final was 69.02 points, she is leading at the moment when left to speak three participants.
"Music is so quiet that even some drive in the program was not, is not the bolero, which we train, - said Tuktamysheva in conversation with journalists. - Even wonder how music can affect feelings."
Skater added that red stands arena has not prevented her to skate well. "Red grandstand initially surprised, but when she was trained and found that they do not crush and do not knock," - said Tuktamysheva.
Athlete noted that the axel in three and a half turns, over whom she had worked before the European Championship, while "not enough rehearsed" to include it in the short program. "We decided to just skate quietly," - she concluded.
Sergei also said the music was too quiet yesterday, and I believe Elena Ilinykh did as well. What a shame. I guess they can't do anything about it?
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Just saying.....I posted this the other day when the news came out that she was moving the 2a around.
I'm not trying to toot my own horn so much as to point out that this error was foreseeable. They can't give up points like this considering how close her and Lena are. It needs to be addressed.
Congrats on a good skate today. I like her FS much better so I'm looking forward to Saturday.
I guess this explains why J.Lo was so well received. Imagine if they were blasting the music instead...
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I think she skated the best today in my eyes. Her second 3T in the combination was higher than the first one even with tano. The lutz was no doubt the best among today's ladies. She jumped way to far for her double axel. ( I almost thought that was 3a 
I love that she is in control of all her jumps and gives more emphasis as she wants. Her spins and steps are harmonious with the music. She performs with confidence and assurance, which is very admirable. Scoring wise, with the less difficult jump contents, she almost tied with Radio. Liza was regal. I love that.
For her FS I do not mind what jump layout she brings out. I believe her team will find the best strategy for her.
I love that she is in control of all her jumps and gives more emphasis as she wants. Her spins and steps are harmonious with the music. She performs with confidence and assurance, which is very admirable. Scoring wise, with the less difficult jump contents, she almost tied with Radio. Liza was regal. I love that. For her FS I do not mind what jump layout she brings out. I believe her team will find the best strategy for her.
This could explain why she couldn't quite time the axel to the halfway point... They seriously should've reconsidered, after Sergei and Elena I. both reported music problems.
I thought her team was just being coy when they said they moved the axel for musical interpretation reasons... but now I see no other explanation. It's probably not where the 3A will eventually go, unless Liza is crazy and wants to try it after doing a lutz and a triple-triple. And she clearly doesn't have trouble doing the axel later; she hasn't missed it all season.
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Interesting. I actually wondered if the reason they moved the StSeq later was because it may have tired her out and made the 3a more difficult to attempt. So I guess my thinking was still that the move was to create a better situation to go for the big dog.
What's actually funny is that while I discuss the placement being for the purpose of creating the easiest path to a 3a.....I don't think well see her do it this season.
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Maybe she'll have a crack at the 3A at Bavaria Cup? (She's still going, isn't she?)
There's been a lot of discussion on the forum about putting the 3A into the free - but so far as I know, there has been no suggestion from either Liza or Mishin that this is even in consideration; it has only ever been discussed in regard to the SP. Is there some new info on the subject that I've missed? Because throwing an element like 3A into a program where she's never tried it before - even in training - sounds... er... daring. (Understatement.) Now if she'd been doing 3As left, right and centre in competitions for ages - but for her first competitive 3A? Does she need this particular win that much that she's willing to go for such a risky (that understement thing again... ) move?
ETA - Oh, and just to mention again... it's been only around three weeks since she first landed the 3A in practice. We do have high demands of Liza indeed if we are miffed (meant as humorous exaggeration) that she hasn't thrown the 3A into a competiton yet - talk about being penalised for excellence. But - on the other hand, this does mean quite the vote of confidence in Liza's abilities.
There's been a lot of discussion on the forum about putting the 3A into the free - but so far as I know, there has been no suggestion from either Liza or Mishin that this is even in consideration; it has only ever been discussed in regard to the SP. Is there some new info on the subject that I've missed? Because throwing an element like 3A into a program where she's never tried it before - even in training - sounds... er... daring. (Understatement.
) Now if she'd been doing 3As left, right and centre in competitions for ages - but for her first competitive 3A? Does she need this particular win that much that she's willing to go for such a risky (that understement thing again... ) move?ETA - Oh, and just to mention again... it's been only around three weeks since she first landed the 3A in practice. We do have high demands of Liza indeed if we are miffed (meant as humorous exaggeration) that she hasn't thrown the 3A into a competiton yet - talk about being penalised for excellence. But - on the other hand, this does mean quite the vote of confidence in Liza's abilities.
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I've been anticipating to see the 3A in competition from Liza ever since I saw that practice clip, but it's understandable if she doesn't attempt it right now. It looks great from the clip, so at least we know she's landing them in practice. But sometimes, just like Mao landing her 3A in practice, doesn't mean it will work the way we want it in competition. So it's probably better to play it safe for now.
But man when Liza lands that 3A in competition someday, I'll be extremely delighted.
But man when Liza lands that 3A in competition someday, I'll be extremely delighted.
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Mishin's interview http://www.sportsdaily.ru/articles/...hala-v-sochi-ona-mogla-zavershit-kareru-63656
Coach Alexei Mishin: "If Tuktamysheva went to Sochi, it could end his career"
Photo: RIA "Novosti")
Today in Stockholm starts the European championship. One of the main St. Petersburg hopes it will be singles Elizabeth Tuktamysheva. Before the competition correspondent of "Sports day after day" to talk to a mentor athletes Alexei Mishin.
The most important thing - not to worry coach
- Alexey, two years ago, Lisa made her debut at the European Championship. Since that time it has changed a lot?
- Lisa has come a long way, she became a mature athlete. Difficult period steeled her. She appeared accuracy gesture, understanding music, the correct perception of the choreography. Yes and relationships in our training team changed. If before Lisa just said, do so or that way, but now it has become a full participant in the creative process.
- The last time she had a natural excitement debutantes, now she weighs the load of one of the favorites of women's competitions. With what emotions you as a coach to handle more difficult?
- You ask a very difficult question. When Lisa made her debut at the European Championships, she was a little girl. At this age, everything comes much easier. Now the Rubicon has already passed ... I will say this: how would an athlete or worried, the most important thing - not to worry his trainer. And I'm absolutely calm because I go to these tournaments since 1966.
- Lisa admitted that last season she did not just have a desire to quit the sport. It tells you: "All I finish?"
- Lisa is so strong in spirit, that before this never reached. And we tried to support it. I told her: "We're chained together. And in this bundle will go to the very end. "
Financial well-being creates laziness
- In an interview, you told me that students choose not only talent, but also by nature. What is different on psycho Tuktamysheva, for example, by Arthur Gachinsky?
- First, I must say that they have in common - they are both very talented. As for the difference ... One of them believe in themselves, in their mission fully and without reserve, and the other - not always.
- You are, incidentally, do not think care Gachinsky betrayal?
- No, resigned and left. On the contrary, I fell like a backpack. Working with him in recent years has been very difficult, it just came to a standstill. But Arthur did not have to write, saying how he was good compared to what it was. Although, of course, now it is almost the best expert on jumps throughout Moscow. Gachinsky knows the theory of hops, because he studied the geometry of Archimedes (laughs).
- Let's go to Tuktamysheva. The first difficult period in her life came even after moving from his native St. Petersburg Glazov: his father died, it was not enough. We can say that these difficulties tempered her character and raised confidence in themselves?
- You know, Marie and Pierre Curie discovered the phenomenon of radioactivity, while working in the basement and buy uranium ore for their money. What am I doing? Financial well-being is often engenders laziness of mind, body and soul. Most of my successful students - not from wealthy families.
- You said that Peter took the family Tuktamysheva unkind. Now their relationship with the city were adjusted?
- The fact it was not in the city, and in relation to specific people. For example, Lisa did not want to enroll in a sports school. Saying, Bring a book with the classification of the previous place of study. As a result, her family was forced to live on 13 thousand rubles, which earned a mother Tuktamysheva. It is now possible to buy an apartment, obtain a residence permit. Now Lisa loves Peter, and Peter loves Lisa.
We go to the East
- You do not hide that skeptical psychologists and try to do without their help. The case of Tuktamysheva was no exception?
- If a husband and wife came to the sexologist, so their relationship is something wrong. The same rule applies in the sport. Attracting psychologist means that staff working with the athlete, and he himself with the problems no longer cope. I try to such extremes is not to bring. Besides, I had an experience of cooperation with psychologists, and he was not too successful.
- Tuktamysheva could not perform in Sochi. In addition to the natural disadvantages skip Olympics has some advantages?
- Now I understand that there was one huge plus. If Lisa went to Sochi and realized there its full potential, it is likely, then just be completed performances. In the same way as if Plushenko won at the Games in Salt Lake City gold instead of silver, on the ice, we would not see him anymore.
- You're looking at Lisa same long career as Zhenya?
- Let's not make plans far ahead. I try to plan only for the next few years. And they are in our group will be held under the motto of the poet: "I see it, I'm going to the East." Olympics in Pyeongchang? You see, you understand me.
Coach Alexei Mishin: "If Tuktamysheva went to Sochi, it could end his career"
Photo: RIA "Novosti")
Today in Stockholm starts the European championship. One of the main St. Petersburg hopes it will be singles Elizabeth Tuktamysheva. Before the competition correspondent of "Sports day after day" to talk to a mentor athletes Alexei Mishin.
The most important thing - not to worry coach
- Alexey, two years ago, Lisa made her debut at the European Championship. Since that time it has changed a lot?
- Lisa has come a long way, she became a mature athlete. Difficult period steeled her. She appeared accuracy gesture, understanding music, the correct perception of the choreography. Yes and relationships in our training team changed. If before Lisa just said, do so or that way, but now it has become a full participant in the creative process.
- The last time she had a natural excitement debutantes, now she weighs the load of one of the favorites of women's competitions. With what emotions you as a coach to handle more difficult?
- You ask a very difficult question. When Lisa made her debut at the European Championships, she was a little girl. At this age, everything comes much easier. Now the Rubicon has already passed ... I will say this: how would an athlete or worried, the most important thing - not to worry his trainer. And I'm absolutely calm because I go to these tournaments since 1966.
- Lisa admitted that last season she did not just have a desire to quit the sport. It tells you: "All I finish?"
- Lisa is so strong in spirit, that before this never reached. And we tried to support it. I told her: "We're chained together. And in this bundle will go to the very end. "
Financial well-being creates laziness
- In an interview, you told me that students choose not only talent, but also by nature. What is different on psycho Tuktamysheva, for example, by Arthur Gachinsky?
- First, I must say that they have in common - they are both very talented. As for the difference ... One of them believe in themselves, in their mission fully and without reserve, and the other - not always.
- You are, incidentally, do not think care Gachinsky betrayal?
- No, resigned and left. On the contrary, I fell like a backpack. Working with him in recent years has been very difficult, it just came to a standstill. But Arthur did not have to write, saying how he was good compared to what it was. Although, of course, now it is almost the best expert on jumps throughout Moscow. Gachinsky knows the theory of hops, because he studied the geometry of Archimedes (laughs).
- Let's go to Tuktamysheva. The first difficult period in her life came even after moving from his native St. Petersburg Glazov: his father died, it was not enough. We can say that these difficulties tempered her character and raised confidence in themselves?
- You know, Marie and Pierre Curie discovered the phenomenon of radioactivity, while working in the basement and buy uranium ore for their money. What am I doing? Financial well-being is often engenders laziness of mind, body and soul. Most of my successful students - not from wealthy families.
- You said that Peter took the family Tuktamysheva unkind. Now their relationship with the city were adjusted?
- The fact it was not in the city, and in relation to specific people. For example, Lisa did not want to enroll in a sports school. Saying, Bring a book with the classification of the previous place of study. As a result, her family was forced to live on 13 thousand rubles, which earned a mother Tuktamysheva. It is now possible to buy an apartment, obtain a residence permit. Now Lisa loves Peter, and Peter loves Lisa.
We go to the East
- You do not hide that skeptical psychologists and try to do without their help. The case of Tuktamysheva was no exception?
- If a husband and wife came to the sexologist, so their relationship is something wrong. The same rule applies in the sport. Attracting psychologist means that staff working with the athlete, and he himself with the problems no longer cope. I try to such extremes is not to bring. Besides, I had an experience of cooperation with psychologists, and he was not too successful.
- Tuktamysheva could not perform in Sochi. In addition to the natural disadvantages skip Olympics has some advantages?
- Now I understand that there was one huge plus. If Lisa went to Sochi and realized there its full potential, it is likely, then just be completed performances. In the same way as if Plushenko won at the Games in Salt Lake City gold instead of silver, on the ice, we would not see him anymore.
- You're looking at Lisa same long career as Zhenya?
- Let's not make plans far ahead. I try to plan only for the next few years. And they are in our group will be held under the motto of the poet: "I see it, I'm going to the East." Olympics in Pyeongchang? You see, you understand me.
Whether the levelled StSq is in its old place, or in the new place, I see no reason for Liza to put the 3A after it. She can do the 3A first, then 3T-3T, then do the 3Lz in the second half. (Or do the 3T-3T in second half like does in the LP). I really don't understand this change. Not that 10% bonus on a 2A is a lot, but what's the point of throwing points away thanks to the arena acoustics, of all things?Interesting. I actually wondered if the reason they moved the StSeq later was because it may have tired her out and made the 3a more difficult to attempt. So I guess my thinking was still that the move was to create a better situation to go for the big dog.
What's actually funny is that while I discuss the placement being for the purpose of creating the easiest path to a 3a.....I don't think well see her do it this season.
I think we'll see the 3A at Bavarian Open.
All very good points. We're expecting too much.There's been a lot of discussion on the forum about putting the 3A into the free - but so far as I know, there has been no suggestion from either Liza or Mishin that this is even in consideration; it has only ever been discussed in regard to the SP. Is there some new info on the subject that I've missed? Because throwing an element like 3A into a program where she's never tried it before - even in training - sounds... er... daring. (Understatement.
ETA - Oh, and just to mention again... it's been only around three weeks since she first landed the 3A in practice. We do have high demands of Liza indeed if we are miffed (meant as humorous exaggeration) that she hasn't thrown the 3A into a competiton yet - talk about being penalised for excellence. But - on the other hand, this does mean quite the vote of confidence in Liza's abilities.
But once the axel got out of the bag, the audience--and judges--couldn't help but think her current layout doesn't do justice to her abilities. Judges tend to reward skaters who skate to win, rather than ones who skate to not lose. Liza's lower content, and how she makes the SP look so easy... I can see why they went with Elena, who did the big tricks and fought for everything (though as I stated, I don't agree with the specific jump GOEs).
Earlier on, I was a proponent of not trying too much... But it might be time to go a bit crazy, before she loses too much ground (imo, Liza losing while trying a triple axel actually looks better than her skating perfectly with 3T-3T and losing anyway). This is all assuming that the axel doesn't drain so much energy that she has no chance of finishing the LP.
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Everybody wants to win, and we want Liza to win beautifully, but before that happens, let's calm down a little bit.
I've thought about it some more, and take back my reaction from yesterday.
Liza has already come such a long way, and according to everything she and Mishin are saying, she wants to keep competing for a long time. So it wouldn't be good to push the 3A (or lutz-toe) too fast, too hard, leading to injuries that would set her back again. Then she'd have to rebuild and start the process all over... Winning or losing the 2015 European Championships isn't the be-all-and-end-all.
So, Liza, I just hope to see a clean skate, with whatever elements you have planned, and hopefully the 3-3 in the bonus and all the levels maxed. Doesn't matter how it's scored or what place you get.
Liza has already come such a long way, and according to everything she and Mishin are saying, she wants to keep competing for a long time. So it wouldn't be good to push the 3A (or lutz-toe) too fast, too hard, leading to injuries that would set her back again. Then she'd have to rebuild and start the process all over... Winning or losing the 2015 European Championships isn't the be-all-and-end-all.
So, Liza, I just hope to see a clean skate, with whatever elements you have planned, and hopefully the 3-3 in the bonus and all the levels maxed.
Doesn't matter how it's scored or what place you get.
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Just saw this lovely photo on Facebook of Anna, Liza and Elena:
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net...=e7bbf603982491ccb4da7d3aa6d077bf&oe=556B084A
Thank you to Alina Mitryachina for posting it on Facebook.
Didn't want to treble post, and wasn't sure whose Fan Fest thread to post it in. But, since it's Liza taking the photo, I decided to put it in her thread!
Let's hope that this turns out to be a photo of the podium finishers!
CaroLiza_fan
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net...=e7bbf603982491ccb4da7d3aa6d077bf&oe=556B084A
Thank you to Alina Mitryachina for posting it on Facebook.
Didn't want to treble post, and wasn't sure whose Fan Fest thread to post it in. But, since it's Liza taking the photo, I decided to put it in her thread!
Let's hope that this turns out to be a photo of the podium finishers!
CaroLiza_fan
