Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser

[50 Words for Snow]

Actually pretty sure the T.a.T.u. girls were just acting and now hate each other guts.

So they had a...Pussy Riot?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[MedoLove]

I follow people from all over the world and I certainly follow a bunch of Russians on Instagram. They all seemingly speak English and drive all over the place listening to American music pushing around skateboards and snowboards

Times are changing. My American friends think I’m weird to follow Russians but it doesn’t seem that the Russians feel that way about their friends following Americans. My strangest find so far is Ellen .

https://instagram.com/p/BKxkQ7-AhWN/

I also follow many Russian accounts, especially models, like Nastya kusakina, she is so beautiful! <3,and sports, before I liked rhythmic gymnastics much more than skating, and I was in love with Yana, Averina Twins are also lovely. wow! I didn't know Ellen, I subscribed, she seems to be popsurrialist artist!

You are spot on. I was reading his posts wondering if he knew that Russia was no longer part of the USSR. I follow several Russians on Instagram, and they all speak English, listen to rock and hip-hop, watch Hollywood movies, eat pizza and sushi, and went to the Russian Victory Day parade the other day as proud Russian patriots. Times have changed, Luis, and for the better. I grew up in the Cold War being indoctrinated with American propaganda. I am still a staunch capitalist, but I have learned to make borscht (and love it), have a couple of Russian pop songs on my phone, follow several Russians on Instagram, have a Russian Internet friend, and adore Evgenia Medvedeva as my all-time favorite skater. Come on up to the 21st Century and have a beer with us!

Also, I agree that Evgenia is a wonderful ambassador, both for Russia and for figure skating. She is pretty, talented, charismatic, professional, fun and wacky off the ice, and appeals to a broad fandom, introducing her sport to K Pop and anime fans around the world. I'm sure Russia will continue to support her. Besides, she is staunchly and patriotically Russian; she loves Russia!

That's right, globalization came to Russia a long time ago, people are very prejudiced and polarize everything, but the younger generations are already changing that.

Actually pretty sure the T.a.T.u. girls were just acting and now hate each other guts.

Yes, the truth is that it was marketing, Yulia and Lena Katina have husbands, but I don't know if they get along, they keep doing shows together. The point is that they dared to "promote" gay culture.

 

[cruzceleste]

Yes, the truth is that it was marketing, Yulia and Lena Katina have husbands, but I don't know if they get along, they keep doing shows together. The point is that they dared to "promote" gay culture.

That was before the law, and from their Wikipedia

On 22 May 2014, both singers introduced the film at the Cannes Film Festival. Due to their conflict and in keeping with Katina's wishes to not interact with Volkova, both singers had separate interviews with reporters. Volkova announced during an interview with the Italian press that the film would be the last collaborative work between her and Katina.[72] Despite tensions, a petition dubbed "#tATuComeback" was circulated throughout popular social media websites, such as Facebook and Twitter, in the hopes that the former duo would resolve their conflicts and return with their long-awaited comeback as they had originally planned.

 

[Skater Boy]

Not American, but Canadians Kaitlyn Weaver and Andrew Poje train with Morozov and spend at least part of the year in Moscow. I have heard a lot of dislike of Morozov, but the criticism stems from a dislike of him as a person and coach, not his country.

This may be a bit of a sore point especially right now. Poor Weaver and Poje a team with possibility but they seem to need a coach to bring it out of them but no one wants to take them. It is so odd how Marie France Dubreil et al and Brian Orser perenial close to greatness can't or won't take a Canadian to the top from their own nation. Kind of sad. Well MFD did have Virtue and Moir in fairness but their focus seems to be on the French and Americans - many Americans. But everyone in the end including Evgenia is looking for what is best for them and t heir careers. I think Brian will push her /correct her technically and push her artistically which might lengthen her career and maybe even make her an olympic challenger.

 

[mrrice]

Not American, but Canadians Kaitlyn Weaver and Andrew Poje train with Morozov and spend at least part of the year in Moscow. I have heard a lot of dislike of Morozov, but the criticism stems from a dislike of him as a person and coach, not his country.

I don't know where this discussion began but, as someone who's from the US and has been to Russia, I feel like some of you are misguided. I absolutely loved dancing there and I'd go back in a heartbeat. We got along very well with their dancers though I admit, we did not compete against them. Their dancers were passionate and the only difference between us was the language barrier.

We all know how much I love Maria Butyrskaya and Plushy and there's no way I'd feel that way if I had seen them behave badly at any time. I think it's safe to say that if Plushy moved his academy to the US, it would be packed with students and fans like myself who would love to see him again.

 

[cruzceleste]

This may be a bit of a sore point especially right now. Poor Weaver and Poje a team with possibility but they seem to need a coach to bring it out of them but no one wants to take them. It is so odd how Marie France Dubreil et al and Brian Orser perenial close to greatness can't or won't take a Canadian to the top from their own nation. Kind of sad. Well MFD did have Virtue and Moir in fairness but their focus seems to be on the French and Americans - many Americans. But everyone in the end including Evgenia is looking for what is best for them and t heir careers. I think Brian will push her /correct her technically and push her artistically which might lengthen her career and maybe even make her an olympic challenger.

Borser only once have had a team Rachel Kirkland / Eric Radford, and is not like they got crazy results.

 

[NanaPat]

I don't think an general discussion of Weaver and Poje is appropriate here.

I replied to a poster who seemed to think there would be a riot if a (North) American team trained in Russia. One does. No riot. No backlash over coach's nationality or their training base.

True, they said American team and W/P are Canadian, but those are the EXACT same countries as Evgenia and her new coach, with coach and athlete(s) reversed. And I haven't seen any sort of outcry due to their nationalities.

So to "how would people react if one of them were to move to Russia?" the answer is: or maybe "discuss the coach based on his merits and history".

 

[stella luna]

This may be a bit of a sore point especially right now. Poor Weaver and Poje a team with possibility but they seem to need a coach to bring it out of them but no one wants to take them. It is so odd how Marie France Dubreil et al and Brian Orser perenial close to greatness can't or won't take a Canadian to the top from their own nation. Kind of sad. Well MFD did have Virtue and Moir in fairness but their focus seems to be on the French and Americans - many Americans. But everyone in the end including Evgenia is looking for what is best for them and t heir careers. I think Brian will push her /correct her technically and push her artistically which might lengthen her career and maybe even make her an olympic challenger.

Her "best by date" with Eteri was rapidly approaching.

 

[Tolstoj]

What's also interesting for me is the way both Tutberidze and Averbukh were offended: Eteri brought up the fact that Brian could have done this as a sort of challenge after Trusova's quads, (i don't think that's the case and Brian clarified it already) while Averbukh was offended cause he heard all the bashing against russian skaters and their programs from certain coaches and choreographers.

It keeps remind me that, especially when it comes from a video on youtube, these contents are available worldwide and it shouldn't be nice to hear certain comments when you're on the other side.

Unfortunately it has been a recurring theme for a while, i remember when Frank Carroll called Tuktamysheva a Novice skater (and then they did it with Radionova, Medvedeva and Zagitova), and you can hear all these things almost everyday, just watch certain interviews.

I wish this tendency mostly from american / canadian coaches and choreographers to criticize russian skaters publicy will stop some day, most importantly cause you're spitting on someone else's work, and there are a lot of people around these skaters, but also because most of the time they are doing it because of envy.

 

[squall1111]

They should fix it too. I never said they shouldn't. The ladies discipline, I guess, isn't something I'm a fan of anymore.

You forgot Daleman, BTW.

What is wrong with Marin's jumps?

 

[chopinskate]

What is wrong with Marin's jumps?

For instance, she sometimes twists her upper body into rotations. She can't leverage the full power of take-off because of that, I think.

https://twitter.com/chiburahakkai/status/978360322468724736

 

[Ophelia]

I wish this tendency mostly from american / canadian coaches and choreographers to criticize russian skaters publicy will stop some day, most importantly cause you're spitting on someone else's work, and there are a lot of people around these skaters, but also because most of the time they are doing it because of envy.

Oh please . You can stop with the "poor Russians getting bullied on" sentiment. Averbukh's programs for Med are crap, and people have been calling him out on it for the past three seasons. Orser didn't even mention his choreography, and Averbukh went and made a mountain out of nothing.

I also don't know what Orser, who has coached 2 GOATs and has a young prodigy who can also whip out quads, would have to envy about Eteri.

If anything, Eteri and Averbukh have come off this mess looking remarkably thin-skinned.

 

[Scott512]

What's also interesting for me is the way both Tutberidze and Averbukh were offended: Eteri brought up the fact that Brian could have done this as a sort of challenge after Trusova's quads, (i don't think that's the case and Brian clarified it already) while Averbukh was offended cause he heard all the bashing against russian skaters and their programs from certain coaches and choreographers.

It keeps remind me that, especially when it comes from a video on youtube, these contents are available worldwide and it shouldn't be nice to hear certain comments when you're on the other side.

Unfortunately it has been a recurring theme for a while, i remember when Frank Carroll called Tuktamysheva a Novice skater (and then they did it with Radionova, Medvedeva and Zagitova), and you can hear all these things almost everyday, just watch certain interviews.

I wish this tendency mostly from american / canadian coaches and choreographers to criticize russian skaters publicy will stop some day, most importantly cause you're spitting on someone else's work, and there are a lot of people around these skaters, but also because most of the time they are doing it because of envy.

Thank you for such a great sensible post. Especially the last paragraph.

 

[SnowWhite]

What's also interesting for me is the way both Tutberidze and Averbukh were offended: Eteri brought up the fact that Brian could have done this as a sort of challenge after Trusova's quads, (i don't think that's the case and Brian clarified it already) while Averbukh was offended cause he heard all the bashing against russian skaters and their programs from certain coaches and choreographers.

It keeps remind me that, especially when it comes from a video on youtube, these contents are available worldwide and it shouldn't be nice to hear certain comments when you're on the other side.

Unfortunately it has been a recurring theme for a while, i remember when Frank Carroll called Tuktamysheva a Novice skater (and then they did it with Radionova, Medvedeva and Zagitova), and you can hear all these things almost everyday, just watch certain interviews.

I wish this tendency mostly from american / canadian coaches and choreographers to criticize russian skaters publicy will stop some day, most importantly cause you're spitting on someone else's work, and there are a lot of people around these skaters, but also because most of the time they are doing it because of envy.

I mean, maybe this has some truth. But frankly, I don't think Eteri and Averbukh getting offended has anything to do with what you're describing.

Averbukh is mad because of Brian's comments on programs. Except Brian didn't say that this is what it is for all Russians, he only repeated what Evgenia told him about how it worked with Eteri. That's not a NA criticizing Russians. Eteri is mad about Brian's comments on Trusova's quads - well like you said, he already clarified that, plus what he originally said seemed in character for me based on how he's talked about others, like Stephen, in the past. Again, not a NA criticizing Russians.

 

[thedude]

The problem with your opinion is, you can't form it from first-hand oral sources like interviews or Q&A sessions. It's based on poor translations from Russian media articles or other people's views. In such situations, it's easy to fill the voids and bend the facts the way one wants things to be. I'm not saying Eteri is the sweetest lady around (such people just don't make top-shelf coaches). But until very recent times, Eteri kept only two photos on her desk, one of her daughter Diana, the other of Zhenya. Including after the Olys. So Eteri's recent emotions and sometimes not so kind words about Zhenya are not necessarily right but understandable.

You lost me (in translation).
I'm not trying to understand every detail of a Dostoevsky novel, so I feel I don't need to be native speaker to understand the Eteri-Evgenia relationship. I feel it's a universal coach-athlete relationship that isn't necessarily unique to any culture. The problem with saying that my view of Eteri is disproportionately skewed negatively because some things are lost in translation is that on the other hand it's the opposite for Evgenia.

From those same poorly translated sources, my opinion of Evgenia and Alina is overwhelmingly positive. A perfect translation isn't necessary to make an informed opinion.

I was questioning why if people felt Evgenia should have done this or that, then what do they think Eteri is obligated do when the roles are switched or what role she had in the breakup if at all.

If Zhenya and Eteri have as close to a mother-daughter relationship as you propose, then something happened where Zhenya no longer felt that she could confide in Eteri.
If Eteri is so motherly, however disappointed she would be that Zhenya wanted to leave, a good mother in my opinion would facilitate what her child wanted. Instead, Zhenya got a preemptive public tv interview where private texts were allegedly sent, and an insinuation of jealousy towards Alina of gold medal proportions was made. I don't care what foreign language you speak, but to me that is a classic public relations move where Eteri was worried what Zhenya was going to say in public so she wanted to get her version of events before Zhenya got her chance.

Btw, I don't think Eteri is the devil incarnate. Without proof of anything more malicious, to me she has a comic book villain quality. There's plenty of coaches like her in the USA. If one of her former skaters comes out and says positive things about the their time with her ,count me among those who think hell has frozen over.

 

[Sugar Coated]

This chanel is so funny now: there were only anti-Zhenya videos, and suddenly there are 5 or 6 videos named "Save Evgenia Medvedeva", with the title in Russian

I never got the impression Koola King disliked Zhenya or any skater but rather was frustrated with the politics of ISU scoring and why some individuals seem to get away with things that others don’t. They also did seem to resent Eteri and the favoritism she granted to Zhenya over Alina. But that’s different than being anti-Zhenya.

 

[Manitou]

Unfortunately it has been a recurring theme for a while, i remember when Frank Carroll called Tuktamysheva a Novice skater (and then they did it with Radionova, Medvedeva and Zagitova), and you can hear all these things almost everyday, just watch certain interviews.
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I agree that American/Canadian coaches are more guilty of bashing/disrespectfully criticizing Russian coaches than vice versa, but I also disagree with your defense of Eteri. In my opinion she IS a devil reincarnate. Other than that I agree that Averbukh doesn't deserve the hate he is getting on this forum, namely from American/Canadian posters.
As to Frank Carol, I put him in the Eteri category. He once even called Lipnitskaya a "robot". lol. And completely disqualifying himself by this statement.

 

[Klarnet]

According to what was shown on the media, Eteri messaged Zhenya on the 16th of April asking her to go to the rink and to do the planning for the trainings. But this is kind of strange, because at that time Zhenya was touring Japan/Korea with Zagitova and other skaters for shows. How was she supposed to go to the rink? Than on the 24th another messages came, which is also suspicious because this was only 2 days after the meeting with Orser My speculation is that Eteri somehow learnt that Zhenya met Orser and was just testing her to see if there would be any reaction

On April 16th both girls Alina and Evgenia were in Moscow, on April 17th they were heading to show in Korea. On April 24th they were back to Moscow. Instagram stories and posts are there for prove. Eteri as their coach surely knew when and where they are, that's exactly why the messages were sent on the dates, she definitely knew Evgenia was in Moscow.

 

[ramed]

... I'm not trying to understand every detail of a Dostoevsky novel, so I feel I don't need to be native speaker to understand the Eteri-Evgenia relationship. I feel it's a universal coach-athlete relationship that isn't necessarily unique to any culture.
(...)
A perfect translation isn't necessary to make an informed opinion.

Sure, why bother with facts, let alone details (who needs details?) when one already knows the universal truth This kind of reminds me of many modern media and even more, of the current breed of politicians. Btw, do you think Borser's reaction to Kim dropping him was any better than Eteri's? Well who cares, Borser is a nice guy by definition and Eteri's the villain, also by defintion. For some among us at GS.

 

[Manitou]

Sure, why bother with facts, let alone details (who needs details?) when one already knows the universal truth This kind of reminds me of many modern media and even more, of the current breed of politicians. Btw, do you think Borser's reaction to Kim dropping him was any better than Eteri's? Well who cares, Borser is a nice guy by definition and Eteri's the villain, also by defintion. For some among us at GS.

I want to be on your side, as I agree that the North American bias of this forum is infuriating, but on the other hand Eteri’s actions of bringing private Zhenia’s conversations to the public is unforgivable and I don’t understand why you are defending her. It’s a betrayal of trust of the highest degree and I cannot imagine a teacher doing this to a student. She disqualified herself as a teacher and a coach. She is morally done.