Evgenia Medvedeva to train under Brian Orser

[ramed]

It's really funny how the "Med goes to Orser thread" has fully turned into "Satan Eteri thread"

 

[yume]

Eteri and Orser are both successful coaches but no comparable success. There is no comparison to have IMO. Eteri works with children from novices to seniors, that's why she have many junior titles and 3 successful girls in seniors so far. Orser works almost exclusively with seniors and have two succesful men + 1 (or 2 if we want to include Daleman) ladies so far.
They don't work with the same type of athletes. So they can't have the same amount or kind of results.

 

[Watch]

She's no Satan, but she really lacks class. And that's the problem I personally have with her in this situation.

 

[ramed]

Ok, so I'm a native Russian speaker as well and yeah, her tone is "mischievous", as you put it. But that doesn't change the fact that she alleges Orser is jealous of the success she has with her students. Of Trusova's quads, to be precise, but the way they cut it, you wouldn't know that's what she was talking about if you hadn't heard the bit from last week. Sure, she says it in this joking manner, but the joke's at his expense.

No objection on my part Was there anything worth picturing Eteri as mean or rude or dismissive? I definitely don't think so. And btw, from watching her past interviews, I'd say she never said anything bad about any coach.

 

[yume]

She's no Satan, but she really lacks class. And that's the problem I personally have with her in this situation.

She's furious.

 

[Watch]

No objection on my part Was there anything worth picturing Eteri as mean or rude or dismissive? I definitely don't think so. And btw, from watching her past interviews, I'd say she never said anything bad about any coach.

I don't remember her saying anything bad about any coach before either, but there's always a first. She's never been in a situation where her still successful student left her for a coach who would be considered not just not a downgrade, but maybe even an upgrade. She's obviously hurt by this and, generally speaking, I'd feel for her considering how close her and Evgenia were, but this interview really was in very poor taste throughout and so there goes my sympathy.

 

[narcissa]

Oh, let's give names then. His star students that come to mind are...Yu-na, Yuzu and Havier. I hear nothing about new students. At the same time Eteri has Zhenia, Alina and quad-girls + a lot of promising other students (not to say Yulia, who gave her fame). The promise and potential of school is on Eteri's side

Evgenia Medvedeva

 

[Backload]

Oh, let's give names then. His star students that come to mind are...Yu-na, Yuzu and Havier. I hear nothing about new students. At the same time Eteri has Zhenia, Alina and quad-girls + a lot of promising other students (not to say Yulia, who gave her fame). The promise and potential of school is on Eteri's side

Stephen Gogolev

 

[charlotte14]

Oh, let's give names then. His star students that come to mind are...Yu-na, Yuzu and Havier. I hear nothing about new students. At the same time Eteri has Zhenia, Alina and quad-girls + a lot of promising other students (not to say Yulia, who gave her fame). The promise and potential of school is on Eteri's side

Borser’s star students combined titles (only the time they’re under his coaching):
- 3 Olympic golds
- 1 Olympic bronze
- 1 OGM team
- 5 WC Golds
- 3 WC Silvers
- 4 WC bronzes
- 7 GPF golds
- 3 GPF silvers

And I don’t even count small GP medals, European and 4CC.

We don’t count the chickens too soon. Let’s see how the young skaters at Eteri’s group will do in the future. They’re promising but they’re still promising for now. Can you tell the future? I can’t. What if next season or the season after that they say NO to girls under 16-17? We can’t tell.

As of now, Orser’s records aren’t easy to cacth up.

 

[narcissa]

Borser’s star students combined titles (only the time they’re under his coaching):
- 3 Olympic golds
- 1 Olympic bronze
- 1 OGM team
- 5 WC Golds
- 3 WC Silvers
- 4 WC bronzes
- 7 GPF golds
- 3 GPF silvers

And I don’t even count small GP medals.

We don’t count the chickens too soon. Let’s see how the young skaters at Eteri’s group will do in the future. They’re promising but they’re still promising for now. Can you tell the future? I can’t. What if next season or the season after that they say NO to girls under 16-17? We can’t tell.

As of now, Orser’s records aren’t easy to cacth up.

Right, it's not fair to count only the number of athletes, especially as these athletes are replacing each other as they mature. Longevity and impact on the sport is important, too. As a skater who would you prefer to work with, a coach who has a few star pupils who rake in medals or a coach who has many short-lived star pupils who (collectively) rake in medals?

 

[ramed]

She's no Satan, but she really lacks class. And that's the problem I personally have with her in this situation.

Depends of how you define "class". I'd say, she has it, in her own way. Slightly OT, I know a couple of female friends who in my opinion have a pretty good taste and sense of style. They never bother to read FS forums but watch the competitions more or less regularly so they know who is Tutberidze. In their view, Eteri is one of the classier persons among FS coaches, especially among the singles' coaches. So I'm consoled I'm not alone in my views I'm not saying she's without faults but seriously, it's funny (or may be not even funny) how the hysteria around her is running so high. People use arbitrary bits of poor translations and wrong interpretations, bend them even further and make even more dubious conclusions. So much food for medical workers of certain specialty

 

[vorravorra]

Depends of how you define "class". I'd say, she has it, in her own way. Slightly OT, I know a couple of female friends who in my opinion have a pretty good taste and sense of style. They never bother to read FS forums but watch the competitions more or less regularly so they know who is Tutberidze. In their view, Eteri is one of the classier persons among FS coaches, especially among the singles' coaches. So I'm consoled I'm not alone in my views I'm not saying she's without faults but seriously, it's funny (or may be not even funny) how the hysteria around her is running so high. People use arbitrary bits of poor translations and wrong interpretations, bend them even further and make even more dubious conclusions. So much food for medical workers of certain specialty

They don't define class by how coaches dress by any chance? If they don't see anything outside competitions, they wouldn't know anything about her actual behaviour.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Dear Li'Kitsu, how good is your Russian? That's exactly what I'm constantly talking about - people don't know the language and use these crude translations in subs instead, assuming that their further interpretation of those translations is the ultimate truth. Eteri in fact just said she needs to respond to Orser's challenge with an even greater challenge. Said with her typical wry, slightly sarcastic intonation. You made up a certain image of Eteri out of nothing and are actively selling this image to other readers of this forum. Sorry, I don't buy it. I know Russian.

My Russian is as existent as the longevity of Eteris students so far: not at all. That's why I talked to 2 Russian friends about it before saying anything, who both have a pretty different interpretation of what Eteri said then you. Yes, maybe "hurt" is too strong a word and "peeved by it" f.e. hits it better - it's quite usual that there isn't one clear fit in another language for an expression. But (like other Russian speaking posters here too), they said it is pretty clearly in a negative tone regarding Brian, and tbh I find your "well but it is clearly said in a ~sarcastic~ way" to be rather unconvincing. Also, I find your - I take it completely unbiased, undeniably true and stone-hard-facts - translation of "need to respond to Orsers challenge with an even bigger challenge" still childish. Because there simply is no challenge from Brian, it's like she's trying to create this rival narrative, when that simply doesn't seem to exist on Brians part. And it still looks weird to me to think those words are fine but TAT calling Brian the best coach right now to be some super offensive insult towards Eteri that makes TAT sound like a brat.

Also, I most certainly didn't make up a certain imagine of Eteri and am trying to sell that to others now - and I'd think most poster here can think for themselves and see what Eteri is putting out all by themselves too: she washes the dirty laundry of her ex-coaching relationships in national television for starters. But I guess you have a very different completely unbiased take on that issue too (you'd never try to convince anyone of though, of course)

 

[chopinskate]

My Russian is as existent as the longevity of Eteris students so far: not at all.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZUwjT4TrkElu8/giphy.gif

Damn.

 

[yume]

Right, it's not fair to count only the number of athletes, especially as these athletes are replacing each other as they mature. Longevity and impact on the sport is important, too. As a skater who would you prefer to work with, a coach who has a few star pupils who rake in medals or a coach who has many short-lived star pupils who (collectively) rake in medals?

Depends of each skater career and life plan.
But a few pupils means that there are very limited chances for you to win something. Many pupils means that there is enough chances for to be one of those who rake in medals, and after with your bag of medals and reputation you can go to another coach for who you will be a priority.

 

[mrrice]

She's no Satan, but she really lacks class. And that's the problem I personally have with her in this situation.

If she were as great as she thinks she is, she would have talked with Med and her Parents about what she/they needed going forward. Evgenia is a valuable student and personally, I would have swallowed my pride and done whatever I could to make her happy. Eteri is in a unique situation that she has a lineup of talent waiting to take the place of any student who decides to looks elsewhere for training. I just hope Med has a great season with Orser. I love her skating and personality.

 

[ramed]

They don't define class by how coaches dress by any chance? If they don't see anything outside competitions, they wouldn't know anything about her actual behaviour.

For sure no, although dress is also a part of it Class is not just looks. It's the grandeur that radiates from some people. One can be a beau and a real sweetheart and still don't have it. The other can be not even nice but have style in spades. Ymmw, of course. And no, that's not the description of Eteri. Now we're so far OT...

 

[GS Forum Staff]

This thread has served its purpose.

Please head to this thread to continue discussing Evgenia's upcoming season:
https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?72923-Evgenia-Medvedeva-s-2018-19-Season