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I think Med's team thought this way Med with her BV plus her high GOE is unreachable so more backloading just to be sure and let's upgrade her in second mark, polish her skating skills, spins, etc. Zhenya has real progress in this aspect this season. But it was really unpredictable that Med had to start all over again especially to get score on jumps just before Olympics.
 
Sivush said:
I think Med's team thought this way Med with her BV plus her high GOE is unreachable so more backloading just to be sure and let's upgrade her in second mark, polish her skating skills, spins, etc. Zhenya has real progress in this aspect this season. But it was really unpredictable that Med had to start all over again especially to get score on jumps just before Olympics.
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I feel nothing in this season has gone the way her team has hoped. First the FS issues, then the injury. Throw in Olympics pressure' the doping issue should for Russia, and a teammate who can put pressure on her for medals (expected she would be a tech rival, but maybe not a pcs rival so quickly), I’m just hoping Zhenya can look back and be so proud of herself for what she has achieved and overcome this season :luv17:
 
esteticlove said:
From Twitter


I am afraid, I agree. In all the interviews about the junior stars (Trusova, Kostornaia, Scherbakova etc) they constantly comment on their plans for the future - adding a 3A, quads, inventing new spin positions. Whereas they don't tell us any thing about their plans on Medvedeva. Last season she expressed the intention on learning a 4S, but she is not a junior any more, jumps already appear to be harder for her, since her body has changed so much in the last 1,5 years. So, I don't really see that ever coming. The same applies for Zagitova - she is now young, shiny, hitting the jumps. But where would she be in a couple of seasons? At the time the juniors become seniors, she wouldn't be able to get a harder layout neither.

I still have the feeling that Zhenya peaked last season, which really makes me sad because it had to be now. I know many people hated her free skate, but I adored both programs. When I watched her free from Boston WC, I thought that the W.E. program would be the best ever. And choreographically wise it still is, but when I compare her extensions, positions etc to those from last season - she has shown a huuuuge improvement, it is even unbelievable. I believe that even if they stayed with the old layout from last season, she would have improved even more. Many people insist on backloading because of the TES gap compared to Zagitova. But if she concentrated on getting the maximum of everything she is already doing, I am sure she could have it easier and would be the Olympic favourite.
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She hasn't been healthy this season how can you say she peaked last year when you haven't seen her at her best or just normal condition?
Not to mention this season she reduced her prerotation on her flip and still be able to get height on salchow and loop when not really healthy.
On her team, I think the problem is they simply are too afraid to take any risk which is understandable since consistency is her trademark. Upgrade anything comes with risk but it's unavoidable! They want something to work rightaway and it's simply unrealistic, harder layout can work BUT with time!
And I don't understand why they don't take risk in her layouts but able to let her skate injured.
 
Ame said:
I think the problem is they simply are too afraid to take any risk which is understandable since consistency is her trademark. Upgrade anything comes with risk but it's unavoidable! They want something to work rightaway and it's simply unrealistic, harder layout can work BUT with time!
And I don't understand why they don't take risk in her layouts but able to let her skate injured.
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They did try harder layout... but it didn't work out, and after JO she wasn't healthy enough to try it later.
It's funny because the same people (not you specifically, but some other users) wrote about the BIG mistake which her new layouts at the beginning of the season at Nepala. Because it didn't work out right away.
The same people were complaining all the season about Alina's SP layout just because it didn't work out right from the beginning. And the same people wrote about BIG mistake to keep Alina's FS....
All this cry.... everyone trying to pretend that it's so easy.... And they know better.,...... and the team just didn't want to .... :disapp::rolleye::sarcasm:
 
Eteri didn't anticipate the so fast raise in Alina's PCS who benefited from Evgenia being out and judges wanting a real competition for the Olympics.
I hope that the team thinks to the ways to improve Evgenia and Alina's skating even if they are at the top, cause the same destiny is waiting for Alina too, to be overcome by an younger golden star with quads or 3 axel or simple with better artistry.
 
Ame said:
https://twitter.com/morisnourd/status/960161377234104320

Some info of what happened to Zhenya this season, and the person's thoughts on the matter.
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Here are my 5 cents on it :rolleye:

I tend to agree with some points made, they are reasonable and we have already discussed it a bit in the thread.

Imo but main messed up is FS change and extra pressure and training which could have caused the injury....and made this season extra difficult.

I guess the whole idea to move all into 2d half is not justified, it only makes the program unbalanced...

However try out the new combos could have been a good move, but again if Tsarina got Karenina in May and didn't spend time polishing Averbukh program she could have tried to include the new combo. Instead, the injury happened :sad4:

I do really think that moving also 6 jumps into 2d half cause huge pressure and required extra training. I remember that TAT said that Janny was training like 2 men, super hard in Russian Open Skates in Sochi.

However, I think that keeps the old layout at WC'17 was a right move, it was more than enough and still could be enough for Olympics. However, maybe she could have tried something new at Team Championship'17, wouldn't make any difference last year but again her team didn't think in advance...I mean they knew what Zagitova capable of, I mean Eteri's team knew exactly what Zagitova layout would be...I am not blaming anyone, no one can see the future, but maybe some extra thinking and consideration should have been done by Eteri and others. :slink:

Whatever ending it takes, I wish Tsarina fight until the end, she can do it! I always suppot her! :hap10:
 
The layout Zhenya's had didn't work out because the messy music cuts and jumps' placements that make little sense in the second half, and they placed her weakest jump (lutz) deep in the second half when she must be too tired to care about edge (it ended up looking worse than a flat / slight inside edge, turns on landing) , worse she wasn't healthy enough later to continue with the layout because she overworked to get it CLEAN right at the 1st comp in the season, while she could have taken more time but people and judges' expectations on her consistency is too much so she can't afford that .

Then injury happened and Alina gains momentum and judges want competitions to be more "fun" at the olympics so they throw pcs like candies. All the bad things cascade down on Evgenia, this season simply is so bad for her.

@astumiri: I don't remember that person ever talk about Alina, you're assuming things. They gave they opinion, and that's it, if you disagree you can argue with them constructively and not using a making fun tone.
 
Ame said:
@astumiri: I don't remember that person ever talk about Alina, you're assuming things. They gave they opinion, and that's it, if you disagree you can argue with them constructively and not using a making fun tone.
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I don't know who are you talking about. I just wrote what I saw on the GS.. and what users here were saying...
And it's really funny....:rolleye:
 
atsumiri said:
I don't know who are you talking about. I just wrote what I saw on the GS.. and what users here were saying...
And it's really funny....:rolleye:
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Sorry for the misunderstanding then.
People make mistakes and I hope everything would be better next seasons.
 
Also in addition to our conversation, but sort of off-topic.

Guys, what do you think is easier ( or/and better):

1) Move the majority of jumping paths into 2d half without changing the content? or
2) Include a new combinations/jump (smt. like from 3F on 3Ltz)?

If you have read any articles or professional opinion on it please share. I was thinking about it for a while. :think:
 
Sveta said:
Also in addition to our conversation, but sort of off-topic.

Guys, what do you think is easier ( or/and better):

1) Move the majority of jumping paths into 2d half without changing the content? or
2) Include a new combinations/jump (smt. like from 3F on 3Ltz)?

If you have read any articles or professional opinion on it please share. I was thinking about it for a while. :think:
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It purely depends on each skater's abilities in my opinions. Zhenya has problems with lutz so it's the first option that's more viable. Wakaba always get called on her flip so lutz is better for example.
 
Sveta said:
1) Move the majority of jumping paths into 2d half without changing the content? or
2) Include a new combinations/jump (smt. like from 3F on 3Ltz)?
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both could be hard.
and it depends on the particular skater. And his/her preferences. strengths and weaknesses. shape. mind.
For someone first is easier, for other skaters the second.
It only seems that it is simple... If that were true... everyone would be doing it. But we don't see it.
 
atsumiri said:
it's just funny to read when someone is trying to pretend that knows something....:rolleye:
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Hey, I don't know if the comment is about me or the poster from Twitter, but with my postings I have never tried or wanted to give the impression that I know everything. In this sport I know very little, that's why I am interested and ask myself questions about coaches' decisions, training style etc. That's also the reason to speak up in this forum and bring up some topic, so that I can also read what other people think/know. Everyone should get a chance to express his opinion :(
 
Ame said:
It purely depends on each skater's abilities in my opinions. Zhenya has problems with lutz so it's the first option that's more viable. Wakaba always get called on her flip so lutz is better for example.
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atsumiri said:
both could be hard.
and it depends on the particular skater. And his/her preferences. strengths and weaknesses. shape. mind.
For someone first is easier, for other skaters the second.
It only seems that it is simple... If that were true... everyone would be doing it. But we don't see it.
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True, this obviously depends on skater and individual for everyone. And of course, both are very hard. It's never easy to make even subtle changes in transitions or make changes in any element of the program.

It's just recently this trend with 2d half been used by many, not only in juniors and Eteri's girls but by men as well. Therefore I was really thinking a lot what are the pros and cons and will ISU keep 10% add.
 
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