Evgenia Medvedeva

[silverfoxes]

I am staying out of that other thread now because I don't want to ruin my mood again, but I will just say they probably should change the program, otherwise people are going to hate on it (and in some cases, hate on poor Evgenia herself...can't believe what disgusting comments I read) all season and maybe forever. I know she's bound to get negative criticism no matter what she does, but if fans react this way after one test skate, then I can only imagine the mess it will become if she keeps it. Judges may not react favorably either. I feel like she can't win, if she plays it safe people complain and if she takes a risk it's highly dangerous.

I liked some parts of the program and others not so much, but reality is that it's probably too heavy and too provocative to appeal to a wide audience even if they do make some changes.

 

[sabinfire]

I am staying out of that other thread now because I don't want to ruin my mood again...

IKR... there's not an ounce of positivity in there, from anyone. :disapp:

 

[sailormoon]

Medvedeva's new programs were arranged by her coach/choreographer Ilya Averbukh. It's a safer bet for Medvedeva to continue to build on the success of the last season without making a drastic change. Her jumps are as sharp as ever and Medvedeva would dominate the 2016–17 figure skating season once again.

- I feel that the new program is very comfortable, and it conveys my inner world - the personality of the child in an adult. I do not feel pressure. I only feel support of a very large number of people who are really in love with me.

 

[NaVi]

Having rewatched it again, I think it could potentially be saved... take out the phone from the end and change the step sequence music.

 

[hugo]

I am staying out of that other thread now because I don't want to ruin my mood again, but I will just say they probably should change the program, otherwise people are going to hate on it (and in some cases, hate on poor Evgenia herself...can't believe what disgusting comments I read) all season and maybe forever. I know she's bound to get negative criticism no matter what she does, but if fans react this way after one test skate, then I can only imagine the mess it will become if she keeps it. Judges may not react favorably either. I feel like she can't win, if she plays it safe people complain and if she takes a risk it's highly dangerous.

I liked some parts of the program and others not so much, but reality is that it's probably too heavy and too provocative to appeal to a wide audience even if they do make some changes.

if the judges receive it well (it means will give PCS like previous season), they will nothing change. They don't care what people on GS write. First presentation abroad of new program will be soon: on Japan Open.

 

[anyanka]

I have to say that I'm not a big fan of the FS now in its current form, but she's my absolute favourite of all the ladies and I hope she performs the material well. But IMO she could skate to complete silence or the most monotone of all of Philip Glass's works and still win worlds 2017. Go Zhenya!!!

 

[Alex D]

Hollywood loves to make 3 hour blockbusters of other peoples life - nobody cares, but if a young girl from Russia put´s her heart on the ice for just 4 minutes, it´s obviously too much? I think that Evgenia, any skater / artist for that matter, should do what they feel is appropiate to tell their story. She is very musical and we should all be very grateful to have a skater like her.

Evgenia, is able to turn her blades into an instrument and show us, what life is all about. We do not live in a bubble, a world where all is well, no we face many obstancles and problems, be it health, war or broken hearts.

 

[annesigin]

I don't understand why any subjects need to be abandoned, either I don't think Evgenia's new fs wants to offend anybody. But I still hope her and her team to change a new fs. It is not necessary to take the risk of American judges' attitude to insist this fs. What is more important is the choreography of this fs is to similar to last season's. She is so talented and can hold many styles. Look at her previous programs! Changable and interesting! Why Averbukh chose a so dangerous theme but choreographs such a boring program? He is wasting her talent. And I feel that Averbukh is not so considerate of the skaters. He cares more for himself. Is it possible for Evgenia to change a choreographer?

 

[Rina RUS]

I've made the subtitles to this video with Evgenia, because I think this video shows, that Evgenia feels what a tragedy is, and her attitude is very respectful.

(Yes, anyway, Evgenia is nearly a child, but all normal Russians teach their children to remember and to understand such things. Parents are teaching, teachers, coaches, even good journalists. All normal adults are teaching. No, we don't speak about wars or revolutions every day, but... a child notices, that all normal adults say the same things.)

On this video Evgenia tells about her relatives, who participated in The Second World War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCjSTHjDUeI

I don't start a new discussion here. We understand, why many of you are against this theme. I think all the words against it were already said.
I don't say, that Averbukh and Tutberidze are right. I don't say, that this program will be good. I only say, that the adult Russians know what a pain is. And when they speak about such pain, they speak about love.

It is not bad, if Evgenia will smile after her program, because the program is about love. She tries to say, that she loves people, that her feelings are the same with your feelings. I think, her behavior will be modest enough, but it is not bad, if she will smile.
Often we nearly can't breath, when we feel pain, we nearly cry, yet we smile...


Here I answered, why the Russians want to remember the tragedies, why they need to talk about such pain:
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...music-choice&p=1480252&viewfull=1#post1480252

Here was mentioned the terrorist attack, which Eteri Tutberidze has outlived:
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...1-film-score&p=1479276&viewfull=1#post1479276

In this reply I tried to tell a little about the tragedies, which were close enough to me, though I am younger than Averbukh or Tutberidze:
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...music-choice&p=1480096&viewfull=1#post1480096

Averbukh says: "we really care about the same things". I knew nothing about Averbukh's new LP, when I said on this forum: "The Russians need to be united. If all the nations of Russia would be able to respect each other, it would be not so hard for them to respect all other nations of the world." I can say again: we need this indeed, our behavior is similar, as you see. The songs in my first post in that thread were the songs about love in times of a war.
I've added two more very gentle and very important songs (you can see them later):
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...unite-people&p=1480871&viewfull=1#post1480871


I watched this LP again... Maybe it is even right, that it seems to us, that the skater doesn't hear those sounds, which we hear?.. I mean, that a tragedy happens somewhere, but we know nothing about it (or we don't know enough)... we are still busy with our ordinary life, the skaters are still skating their cheerful programs, they smile after those programs, and nobody says, that it is cynical to skate a cheerful program... Maybe it is right, that we don't like to see this deafness, when we watch Evgenia's program? Maybe it is right, that we want to change something?..
Well, anyway, I don't know, what they meant and what they will do with this program later.
But I like, that the sound of the phone is old-fashioned and rude. Such a sound even was compared with a sound of a machine-gun. (but I am not sure, that many Russians know about this comparison) And maybe such a sound of a phone is also a sound from our childhood...

 

[Spiral]

I loved both her programs. Yes, the style is similar to her last season's programs, but Averbukh probably searched for something that'll fit her, but won't be generic. I'm glad that he again created two unconventional programs for her which stand out.

I think it says something about the nature of criticism that people who don't like Evgenia's LP paticularly disapprove of two episodes from the second part of the program, which is not from the movie at all! Averbukh said the sounds during the step sequence are a blurred version of a newscast - presumably, just a random one, because one doesn't hear specific words anyway. But amazingly a number of people have managed to hear screams in it! This section is just meant to show that at first she isn't able to process the information. Averbukh says: "The step sequence is done to a cacophony of sounds. This part symbolizes events which unfortunately happen in life, such as on September 11, and very recently in Nice, and in the sky over Egypt when our Russian plane was blown up." I take it that they took the music from a film about 9/11 for the first part of the program, since there is no film about either of the other two tragedies, because she doesn't portray the events from that film. Personally, I also feel that there's been an increase of acts of terror or mindless massacres in the last couple of decades both in the USA and in Russia, and now it seems in France too, and I'm not surprised that a figure skater who travels all the time feels it too, as I'm sure does her family. They all must know what happened in France last year. And then it happened again this summer, and this year Evgenia will go there for her 2nd GP assignment and then most likely again for the GPF. So I won't be surprised if she and her family feel that they have to live with uncertainty.

Personally, her program spoke to me, actually especially the step sequence and the ending, and I hope they don't change anything. I can totally understand people who don't want to watch a program about the fragility of human life, but not those who write rude comments about the skater or jump to conclusion that she wants to exploit a specific tragedy.

P.S.
I'd also like to say that I was very glad to see that she's in great shape, despite what some people were saying on this forum because she had one fall in one show in July!

 

[NaVi]

are still busy with our ordinary life, the skaters are still skating their cheerful programs, they smile after those programs, and nobody says, that it is cynical to skate a cheerful program... Maybe it is right, that we don't like to see this deafness, when we watch Evgenia's program? Maybe it is right, that we want to change something?..

We need cheerful programs... and there's a danger of overdone "serious" programs coming off and being both kitschy and pretentious... especially if the idea can't be carried fully through. Is Averbukh incapable of doing something fun(not really as has done a couple of programs) or is Medvedeva incapable of wanting to do something that is fun? The Yulia emulation is obvious.

And going with a messy step sequence is a risk considering it was her super clean, sesame street like step sequence that carried her LP last year(which by the end of the season I thought was not as good as her SP). I think outside of the step sequence the actual elements are slightly better than last year but the music doesn't carry it as much.

And I wish they would have done more to change the layout of the LP.... why not put an axel at the beginning since that was the jump that gave her the most fits.

Anyway, Medvedeva is wasting herself with overly "conceptual" programs... she should be doing programs that focus on hear ability to stretch with he music. Memories of her balerina-like SP in her last year of juniors is partly why she's rated so highly by the judges and she should not try to deviate from that too much.

 

[Rina RUS]

We need cheerful programs...

I agree! I am not against cheerful programs. I love them.

And I am not against this LP, which maybe we haven't seen yet (though, of course, I don't think, that we will see something absolutely new on a competition).

I think I just agree with reality. I am not Averbukh, I am not Evgenia... I don't know why he says, that they tried other images, but decided to do this.

Maybe I even respect Evgenia for such a step. I don't say, that it is good for her. Yet not every day a young girl tries to do such thing... I want to be patient.

 

[silverfoxes]

We need cheerful programs... and there's a danger of overdone "serious" programs coming off and being both kitschy and pretentious... especially if the idea can't be carried fully through. Is Averbukh incapable of doing something fun(not really as has done a couple of programs) or is Medvedeva incapable of wanting to do something that is fun? The Yulia emulation is obvious.

It is? This is the second time you've mentioned it and I don't know what you are talking about. Is Yulia the only skater who ever did a serious program, or the only one allowed to? She was certainly not even the first or last to do Schindler's List. Was she emulating someone else when she did it?

 

[NaVi]

It is? This is the second time you've mentioned it and I don't know what you are talking about. Is Yulia the only skater who ever did a serious program, or the only one allowed to? She was certainly not even the first or last to do Schindler's List. Was she emulating someone else when she did it?

Give me a break... Medvedeva was there when Averbukh did Yulia's programs... she chose him for her first year as senior(with a program he claims was meant for Yulia) and again for both programs this year... this isn't about doing "serious programs", it's about wholesale repetition of a certain aesthetic.

 

[Biellmann]

I loved both her programs. Yes, the style is similar to her last season's programs, but Averbukh probably searched for something that'll fit her, but won't be generic. I'm glad that he again created two unconventional programs for her which stand out.

I think it says something about the nature of criticism that people who don't like Evgenia's LP paticularly disapprove of two episodes from the second part of the program, which is not from the movie at all! Averbukh said the sounds during the step sequence are a blurred version of a newscast - presumably, just a random one, because one doesn't hear specific words anyway. But amazingly a number of people have managed to hear screams in it! This section is just meant to show that at first she isn't able to process the information. Averbukh says: "The step sequence is done to a cacophony of sounds. This part symbolizes events which unfortunately happen in life, such as on September 11, and very recently in Nice, and in the sky over Egypt when our Russian plane was blown up." I take it that they took the music from a film about 9/11 for the first part of the program, since there is no film about either of the other two tragedies, because she doesn't portray the events from that film. Personally, I also feel that there's been an increase of acts of terror or mindless massacres in the last couple of decades both in the USA and in Russia, and now it seems in France too, and I'm not surprised that a figure skater who travels all the time feels it too, as I'm sure does her family. They all must know what happened in France last year. And then it happened again this summer, and this year Evgenia will go there for her 2nd GP assignment and then most likely again for the GPF. So I won't be surprised if she and her family feel that they have to live with uncertainty.

Personally, her program spoke to me, actually especially the step sequence and the ending, and I hope they don't change anything. I can totally understand people who don't want to watch a program about the fragility of human life, but not those who write rude comments about the skater or jump to conclusion that she wants to exploit a specific tragedy.

P.S.
I'd also like to say that I was very glad to see that she's in great shape, despite what some people were saying on this forum because she had one fall in one show in July![/QUOTE]


But this was just one show too. How do you know she Will be in "great shape" in two months?

 

[xibsuarz]

Looks like someone likes Kpop

 

[puremagic]

Looks like someone likes Kpop

nice! :luv17:

 

[Spiral]

But this was just one show too. How do you know she Will be in "great shape" in two months?

It's not a show - it's her competitive programs, and I don't see how anyone can skate such programs the way she did it without being in great shape. And, yes, I'm sure she'll be in great shape in two months too, because skaters deliberately relax during the off-season, but not once the season starts. Also back in July some people were saying that she got wider and is going to be hit by puberty like Lipnitskaya, which clearly is not the case.

 

[Crazy27]

It's not a show - it's her competitive programs, and I don't see how anyone can skate such programs the way she did it without being in great shape. And, yes, I'm sure she'll be in great shape in two months too, because skaters deliberately relax during the off-season, but not once the season starts. Also back in July some people were saying that she got wider and is going to be hit by puberty like Lipnitskaya, which clearly is not the case.

yes, haters continue to hope for it, but I think Evgenia has taken shape.

 

[hugo]

Averbukh is happy of Zhenia performance:
https://pp.vk.me/c631227/v631227327/4c5d0/BMG8GOFtsf4.jpg
https://pp.vk.me/c631227/v631227327/4c5c6/0z3m8KFqpGI.jpg