Evgenia Medvedeva

[Yatagarasu]

I expect a backloaded combo in the SP and at least two in the FS.

As for how it will go, that @killvmaim asked (welcome!) TCC team will probably work on many things, and it usually starts giving results a year or so into the training. There are no quick results there. The Lz is not her only problem, the Axel needs work too. I think from her photos she's gained some muscles so that's a good thing. Her SS is going to get worked on and her spins could tighten up. She's probably going to have a different type of programs too, which her song choices seem to indicate, so she'll be stretching her wings in this department as well. This is also work and will take effort.

In terms of the jumps, the Lz is the biggest problem, and there are no quick solutions. Her technique on the Lz just isn't good, I expect if it is going to get fixed (some folks never accomplish it, and not for the lack of trying) it might take a good year+ get there. Sometimes in the previous seasons she was able to pull off a ! so if she can get to that point, it's quite good.
I don't expect anything revolutionary in her layout. They'll be going for quality, which is how TCC operates in general, so aiming for the highest GOEs. If there's anything new, it may be a -3Lo combo, something often mentioned here if she can get good enough results in rotating it in training. But that is a max for this season I think and even that is a question mark because -3Los are tricky to pull off. All the work done for the SS and the jumps may even destabilize her a bit, we'll have to wait and see but sometimes it gets worse before it gets better (may not happen but it may, so best be prepared).

 

[killvmaim]

Thanks for your responses! Now you got me worried She left Eteri because Eteri's strategy for Zhenya was don't sacrifice anything for the sake of stability, I hope Brian's not the same. The only thing I'm sure of is that 2A2T2T will be gone and that combo in the SP (I also think it'll probably be 3F3T) will be in the bonus zone. I'm optimistic about loop combos, but not about her lutz edge. I've heard that he helped Yuna and Yuzuru with their problem with edges, does anyone know how old they were at that time? Is 18 too old for that?

Also, what do you think about her 4S prospects in the future? Or women quads in general? I'm not really sure that quads will become widespread in ladies' single, I remember there were times when people thought that 3A for ladies was a given, but it clearly didn't happen.

 

[yoloaxel]

I expect a backloaded combo in the SP and at least two in the FS.

I definitely think she'll backload 1 or even both combos in the FS. Not sure how much it's worth it to backload it in the SP... it's a gamble that could pay off but could also be quite dangerous, a lot more so than in the FS I just want to knowwwww

Also, what do you think about her 4S prospects in the future? Or women quads in general? I'm not really sure that quads will become widespread in ladies' single, I remember there were times when people thought that 3A for ladies was a given, but it clearly didn't happen.

Personally, I'm not sure learning a 4S at 18\19 and getting it fully rotated and stable enough is possible, but who knows. As for quads in ladies' single, I think perhaps in 5-6 years there will be a handful of seniors with stable quads, but mine is just a wild prediction

PS. Yay us for 800 pages!

 

[Yatagarasu]

I definitely think she'll backload 1 or even both combos in the FS. Not sure how much it's worth it to backload it in the SP... it's a gamble that could pay off but could also be quite dangerous, a lot more so than in the FS I just want to knowwwww

They've got to balance stability with risk so I think that's what they're going to go for. At some point, she has to risk something, even for this season, and I think Zhenya's also not the person to play it completely safe. It does pay off to backload the SP combo and I think they'd only consider moving it forward if it truly isn't working. It's pretty stable though so I expect it should be fine. Some nice GOEs and it's a very nice chunk of change there.

The FS is different because if her stamina goes, her jumps are likely to go too but she's had good stamina before so I can see her going for 2.
Soon, soon. It's actually pretty close now? What was it, Sept 9th? The FS alone, true but it's something!

 

[KiraraChin]

Her and Brian will probably work on her strength, SS, and jump quality over the next season. There's no reason imo to panic and push herself to the point of injury. Brian and Tracy play the long game with their students and build them over a longer period of time. Perhaps some risk will be taken, but this would hopefully be smartly balanced with health and stability.

This. It's not so much about stability with Brian, it's sustainability. Making sure the foundations are strong so, when a new element is added, it doesn't jeopardise the health of the skater nor the quality of their programs. Of course this takes time - that's why nobody is expecting huge changes this season. However I do believe they will upgrade her content in the next season or two.

As for quads, it's really hard to predict. I'd say it's better not to worry about it now and cross that bridge when we it comes to it.

 

[nervosa]

This. It's not so much about stability with Brian, it's sustainability. Making sure the foundations are strong so, when a new element is added, it doesn't jeopardise the health of the skater nor the quality of their programs. Of course this takes time - that's why nobody is expecting huge changes this season. However I do believe they will upgrade her content in the next season or two.

I agree with what people are saying here. Plus, Zhenya usually has good GOE on many of her jumps, since she has decent height, ice coverage, flow on exit and she's known for having a lot of transitional content, which are all things that will help her hit GOE bullets. She has a lot of things going for her already and the new system is in her favor, so it's a matter of filling in gaps, fixing technique, and keeping up having good programs which we can trust Brian and Tracy to make happen. And thus we have every reason to believe that in 2022, Zhenya will be on top of the world

 

[MedoLove]

Welcome @killvmaim (Grimes song? I confess that I have the fantasy of all the TCC dancing that song).


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Like everyone here, I think and believe that the smartest thing is to bet on quality, while cleaning and polishing her toepik- jumps. As for her Loop and Salchow, the technique of takeoff, rotation, and even distance are fine. I noticed that her edge jumps are bigger than her toejumps. Her Flip is fine in terms of edge, takeoff, rotation, but could get more breadth, that would give her more GOE. On the combinations, obviously they will all be in the second half. I bet for 3Lo-3Lo at the beginning of the season and gradually go practicing the 3F-3Lo, which may be ready for the nationals. Her 2A is not so poor, it's much more workable than her Lutz, so I think with a little speed at the entrance (and control) she can do it, and ride a 2A-3T. So:



ok, I think I forgot the exact number of jumps allowed in the second half. Correct me if I'm wrong, she can make 3 combinations in the second half in her FS? and a combo + triple solo in SP? If so, then : Goodbye 3-2-2. she could repeat a 2A in combination, so that she gets used to it, and can regulate the speed, if she manages to adjust this, she would get more height and distance in it, and of course + GOE. I think it's easier for her to do a 3Lo-3Lo, it's one of her best jumps, and she can get a lot of GOE, visually it's much more aesthetic than her jumps with Toe, at the same time she can practice her 3F-3Lo, and 3Lz , and put them in her layout and in combination when she master them.


EDIT: I edited because omg I just realized that I eliminated the 3S from her layout hahaha.

 

[micks]

I expect a backloaded combo in the SP

It will give only 0.5 points and a big risk.

 

[elizabethj37]

It will give only 0.5 points and a big risk.

Any sort of bonus is always good. I have seen other skaters’ SPs for this season and not one of them has the combo in 2nd half. If she can do it, why not go for it.

 

[Fluture]

It will give only 0.5 points and a big risk.

She needs any bonus she can get to overcome Zagitova who now has the advantage of being Olympic Champion. The PCS gap will be small if present at all. (Not indicating that this is right)

Correct me if I‘m wrong but she has done fully backloaded SP before all the time, right? Since she can do it anyway and has been madly consistent with them why not go for a 1-2 layout with the 2A in the beginning to get rid of it since she struggles with it and a combo in the second half as well as the single jump afterwards so that she can put the combo on the second single jump shouls she fall on the first? She won’t get the backloading bonus for the combo then if she messes up but that‘s hardly the case and she still has the chance to get a backloading bonus combo. Something like this:

2A
3F-3T x
3Lo

If she misses the 3T on the 3F it would look like this:


2A
3F x
3Lo-3T

Is it worth the risk to backload two jumps with one in combo or not? I’m not really good at maths and the new system confuses me further so if anyone has experience there, tell me please.

 

[yoloaxel]

^

My understanding is that only that last jump of the SP gets a bonus so the combo would need to be the last jump to have that

 

[skatingfan200]

She needs any bonus she can get to overcome Zagitova who now has the advantage of being Olympic Champion. The PCS gap will be small if present at all. (Not indicating that this is right)

Correct me if I‘m wrong but she has done fully backloaded SP before all the time, right? Since she can do it anyway and has been madly consistent with them why not go for a 1-2 layout with the 2A in the beginning to get rid of it since she struggles with it and a combo in the second half as well as the single jump afterwards so that she can put the combo on the second single jump shouls she fall on the first? She won’t get the backloading bonus for the combo then if she messes up but that‘s hardly the case and she still has the chance to get a backloading bonus combo. Something like this:

2A
3F-3T x
3Lo

If she misses the 3T on the 3F it would look like this:


2A
3F x
3Lo-3T

Is it worth the risk to backload two jumps with one in combo or not? I’m not really good at maths and the new system confuses me further so if anyone has experience there, tell me please.

Oje, die Österreicher. You can backload two jumps but only the last jump will bring you the 10% bonus in the SP.

2A
3F-3T x
3Lo

2A
3F3T
3lo x

3lo would be the jump with the 10% bonus in your example.

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[KiraraChin]

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I'm really hoping for some Zhenya/Javi content!

 

[glassanimal]

12000

 

[KiraraChin]

12000

12000 hopefully now

 

[Fluture]

Oje, die Österreicher. You can backload two jumps but only the last jump will bring you the 10% bonus in the SP.


2A
3F3T
3lo x

3lo would be the jump with the 10% bonus in your example.

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Jaja, die Österreicher. Keine Ahnung von irgendwas mal wieder.

Oh, so it‘s only the last jump that will get the bonus... hahaha, my bad, why did I think it was the first :think: Hm, that makes sense then. But it‘s a shame because you can‘t really backload your combo in the SP then... it‘s too risky.

 

[skatingfan200]

Jaja, die Österreicher. Keine Ahnung von irgendwas mal wieder.

Oh, so it‘s only the last jump that will get the bonus... hahaha, my bad, why did I think it was the first :think: Hm, that makes sense then. But it‘s a shame because you can‘t really backload your combo in the SP then... it‘s too risky.

The difference would be 0,46 points. BV 18,19 (3F3T, 2A, 3lox) vs 18,65 (2A, 3lo, 3F3Tx) :think:

 

[KiraraChin]

We do know that Zhenya's 3F3T is extremely reliable, though...

 

[Yatagarasu]

But it‘s a shame because you can‘t really backload your combo in the SP then... it‘s too risky.

Of course you can, see Yuzuru's SP from last season.
It all depends on how reliable your combination is, which is something the coaches will assess together with her. Hers was, so we'll have to wait and see.

 

[bubblecherry]

On TSL's interview with Raf, they asked him what he thought of Zhenya's current situation based on his perspective and he was very complimentary of her. He said that she's so smart for making the decision to go to Orser and he believes that she saw that in her group she would no longer be prioritized because of upcoming talent. He said that Orser has all of the tools to encourage her and support her and it's the best decision she could've made. He said that there comes a time where for skaters it's less about everything else and most about needing support. Then TSL asked some strange question about whether she's up there/going to be up there with the "Greats" like Yuna/Michelle/Mao and Raf thought about it for a second and said that she will now have all of the tools necessary with Orser.