- Joined
- Oct 16, 2017
Evgenia Medvedeva
- Thread starter Totentanz
- Start date
- Joined
- Sep 23, 2017
Kostornaia has beautiful skating skills, but that doesn’t mean that she’s done with learning! If someone like Yuzuru is still studying figures and working to improve his skating skills, it means nobody is really ever done perfecting them - especially if you’re a junior skater
there’s always a lot that can be improved whether you’re already on top or just beginning
- Joined
- May 5, 2018
Yes, I have noticed that too! She looks really healthy and fit. I'm hoping this will make her jumps more powerful
Kostornaia has beautiful skating skills, but that doesn’t mean that she’s done with learning! If someone like Yuzuru is still studying figures and working to improve his skating skills, it means nobody is really ever done perfecting them - especially if you’re a junior skater
I'm very happy that Zhenya is training/improving her skating skills! It can only help her.
- Joined
- Sep 29, 2016
You guys are all too funny. Posting tons of photos and vids going "Zhenya is in the background!" like she is photo-bombing Yuzu and the others or something.
I like yuzuru but if I need to be honest I watch his last vids to catch evgenia in the backround...
we can't see her in training - maybe it makes us desperate
I think it is all about the angle... but IMO she looks healthier
- Joined
- May 5, 2018
I like yuzuru but if I need to be honest I watch his last vids to catch evgenia in the backround...
Same here
It's not only Canadian skaters have to pass test for Skating skills, Performance and transition to move to next level, it's in every country. Probably, country, where just one or two figure skaters, maybe they have different requirements. But, to move on international level of competition, all skaters have to have certain level of skills.
Name in last sentence of your translation was translated incorrectly (Auxerre does not make any sense). In addition, you missed the last sentence from his interview. below how it should be:
And, working next to Orser, she may become an incredible specialist in the future.
- Why?
- Because she knows the Russian school.
- Joined
- Oct 16, 2017
Uhm, they are better than they were. It's good to see that the program at Sambo70 is increasing training in this area.
Most of the girls would now count as 'good for Juniors'. Not amazing or ready for senior in Canada.
Canadian senior women are simply the fastest skaters. Only Michael Kolyada clocks in at their speeds.
Eteri's skaters lack the speed, smoothness and silence on their blades which Canadian fans and experts look for. (Best example of excellent SS among Canadian Juniors is Joesph Phan.)
I don't think it takes away from Eteri to acknowledge that Skating Skills (SS) are a particular focus in Canadian skating. Different countries and schools emphasize different things. Even within Canada, some sections are known for better SS than others.
Someone quoted above an interview with Maxim Trankov saying that he looks forward to seeing Zhenya 'ride her blade's like Canadians. This is what he's talking about.
And the one-on-one work with Tracy and the group stroking classes will be how this progress will happen.
- Joined
- Feb 10, 2018
maybe thats why canadian junior ladies are so much behind russian girls (not only Eteri's). Significant canadian senior ladies in single are literally two, not more. One perfect, one solid. So I consider the whole comment compraing canadian and russian ladies in so much favor for canadian ones as completely ridiculous.
I like yuzuru but if I need to be honest I watch his last vids to catch evgenia in the backround...
we can't see her in training - maybe it makes us desperate
have fun looking for Evgenia here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TThRbR6lYpM&feature=youtu.be I can see her around 10 s for a very short time but maybe you will see her at the beginning during stroking class. I can't recognise her.Anyway I know how you guys feel. Yuzuru's fans always analyse other TCC skaters' photos and videos in order to find Yuzuru in the background
I hope we will get a new Zhenya documentary in which they will show her training at TCC
An excellent point, and one you'll find made in the Canadian thread. I'll recap the analysis we've been going through over the last couple of years.
There is a trade off on time spent certainly.
Quebec skaters in particular are known for their 'pretty skating' at the novice and junior levels, but are behind in jumps. British Columbia (Ted Barton's section) tends to be the opposite. Ontario somewhere in between.
However, the most profound difference in between Russian and Canadian Junior Ladies training is historical.
The biggest challenge for current Canadian women is that up, until about 6 years ago, there was a prominent school of thought in Canada that wouldn't allow girls to learn triples. They had to wait until they were through puberty. Seriously.
.Skate Canada's Long Term Athlete Development Model that has transformed the whole system in the last quadrennial says the opposite actually. It's science based and is mandated by the federal authority Sport Canada.
Coaches are now training the young ones triples early, and Skate Canada awards bonus points in Novice competitions to girls that have triples and 3-3 combos.
The SS requirements haven't lightened, and are if anything tougher than ever at lower levels, but these are seen as fundamental for good jump and spin technique.
But Canada's current Juniors started under the old model. So, they are behind and it's recognized that it will take another quadrennial to see Canadian girls advancing as well as the boys.
The senior Canadian women who have had international success in the last quadrennial all bucked the old limits. Kaetlyn, Gabby and Alaine all had coaches who did not hold them back and got triples early.
But they also learned high quality SS, and are incredibly fast. Seeing them in person at nearly 30 kph in the run up into a 3Lz is breathtaking.
So, ideally at the senior elite level, we would like to see it all come together with jumps and SS and expression.
I totally believe that Zhenya will have all of these and will take women's skating to another level.
- Joined
- Feb 10, 2018
An excellent point, and one you'll find made in the Canadian thread. I'll recap the analysis we've been going through over the last couple of years.
There is a trade off on time spent certainly.
Quebec skaters in particular are known for their 'pretty skating' at the novice and junior levels, but are behind in jumps. British Columbia (Ted Barton's section) tends to be the opposite. Ontario somewhere in between.
However, the most profound difference in between Russian and Canadian Junior Ladies training is historical.
The biggest challenge for current Canadian women is that up, until about 6 years ago, there was a prominent school of thought in Canada that wouldn't allow girls to learn triples. They had to wait until they were through puberty. Seriously.
Skate Canada's Long Term Athlete Development Model that has transformed the whole system in the last quadrennial was says the opposite actually. It's science based and is mandated by the federal authority Sport Canada.
Coaches are now training the young ones triples early, and Skate Canada awards bonus points in Novice competitions to girls that have triples and 3-3 combos.
The SS requirements haven't lightened, and are if anything tougher than ever at lower levels, but these are seen as fundamental for good jump and spin technique.
But Canada's current Juniors started under the old model. So, they are behind and it's recognized that it will take another quadrennial to see Canadian girls advancing as well as the boys.
The senior Canadian women who have had international success in the last quadrennial all bucked the old limits. Kaetlyn, Gabby and Alaine all had coaches who did not hold them back and got triples early.
But they also learned high quality SS, and are incredibly fast. Seeing them in person at nearly 30 kph in the run up into a 3Lz is breathtaking.
So, ideally at the senior elite level, we would like to see it all come together with jumps and SS and expression.
I totally believe that Zhenya will have all of these and will take women's skating to another level.
I pretty agree with you as for the description of the canadian field (as far as I know in US its the same and the same reason why US ladies abandoned positions they hold for such a long time). But disagree that skating skills would be somehow on a different level in Canada if we speak about the whole field of skaters, not just about Osmond and Daleman. E. g. Austman is the same generation so should be taught by the same "old limits" and I didn't see anything significant from her. And I'm just watching Emma Bulawka in Linz. I don't say she is bad, she is good, but I don't see any significant skating skills or speed. Whether Alëna's speed is high when she moves over the ice, even with big amount of transitions. So again, I disagree that skating skills of russian girls are somehow below canadian standards.
- Joined
- Apr 27, 2018
sorry i think this rus vs can thing is off topic here
and i don't get how can you compare just 2 sr ladies of canada (+ the void in jrs) with dozens and dozens of russian ladies at all levels. they are all different actually, with different skills and eteri's group is not the only one in russia
and i don't get how can you compare just 2 sr ladies of canada (+ the void in jrs) with dozens and dozens of russian ladies at all levels. they are all different actually, with different skills and eteri's group is not the only one in russia
- Joined
- Feb 10, 2018
sorry i think this rus vs can thing is off topic here
and i don't get how can you compare just 2 sr ladies of canada (+ the void in jrs) with dozens and dozens of russian ladies at all levels. they are all different actually, with different skills and eteri's group is not the only one in russia
I didn't start it. And those 2 sr ladies are the only ones worth speaking about, no offence. I agree this is not place for it but again, I did not start it.
- Joined
- Apr 27, 2018
Flanker, i didn't adress to you
yes that's exactly my point c;
so that's why i'm confused that apparently canadian school is so much superior. ok evgenia and alina, and some other eteri's skaters are not the smoothest or fastest, and canadian experts from gs don't enjoy their skating, but then there are gubanova, kostornaya, sotnikova, tsurskaya, kostuyk, even pogo and more to watch. still an impressive list i guess.
yes that's exactly my point c;
so that's why i'm confused that apparently canadian school is so much superior. ok evgenia and alina, and some other eteri's skaters are not the smoothest or fastest, and canadian experts from gs don't enjoy their skating, but then there are gubanova, kostornaya, sotnikova, tsurskaya, kostuyk, even pogo and more to watch. still an impressive list i guess.
- Joined
- Sep 5, 2017
Umm mods will probably delete those posts...
- Joined
- May 5, 2018
When I think we'll see her programs next weekend...
https://media.giphy.com/media/5GoVLqeAOo6PK/giphy.gif
Similar threads
