The problem is she already tried by backloading and it didn't work. Unfortunately as long as she doesn't have proper lutz edge adding second lutz is pointless. Maybe changing one 2T to 2Lo in 3 jump combo would rise BV a little bit
Evgenia Medvedeva
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The problem is she already tried by backloading and it didn't work. Unfortunately as long as she doesn't have proper lutz edge adding second lutz is pointless. Maybe changing one 2T to 2Lo in 3 jump combo would rise BV a little bit
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The reason it didn’t work was because she tried it this season. IMO her team should have made her try the new layout last season, not in the Olympic season when everyone should be stable with a fixed layout.
The truth is, she isn’t the type to adapt to new layout and set up that fast. She was consistent whole last season also because her program construction was the same (there’s videos comparing her pattern of her programs). But if it were me, I would have risked making more mistakes last season, not this season.
She can change the first combo into 3F3Lo, and 2A2T2lo to improve her BV a bit. But it’s really too late to change the layout right now. Her appearance at GPF might stop Zagitova’s momentum but we don’t know if it might affect her ankle and make it worse.
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Her appearance at GPF may stop Zagitova's momentum if she manages to skate clean and win. But I'm not sure she can with her injury, so it's more risky to go there than WD. For her, placing second for once is a bigger blow to her reputation, better not be there at all.
Honestly I wish she'd have some time off to train for the lutz after Olympics, that's her biggest weakness against her rivals. She has been through so many competitions these past years, must have been too busy to spare time for properly relearning lutz. After that, she can come back and slay!
Honestly I wish she'd have some time off to train for the lutz after Olympics, that's her biggest weakness against her rivals. She has been through so many competitions these past years, must have been too busy to spare time for properly relearning lutz. After that, she can come back and slay!
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I was listening to Max Ambesi's podcast with Angelo Dolfini, and they talked about the Evgenia situation too.
Dolfini said if he was in her shoes, he would not risk worsening her condition by skating at GPF, since she has already won it twice. Ambesi agreed, saying that even if the others are getting closer Evgenia still has a good margin over them. He also said that he believes that Evgenia will decide to skate anyway and will manage - whether that's for the best, he said he didn't know. I agree with @Ame though: better not to show up than to skate and not win for her reputation. If she doesn't go to GPF, people are going to assume that whoever will win will have done so because of her absence. If she does go and underperformes due to her injury, people (and herself) might start doubting her as the OGM favorite. Just my 2 cents.
Dolfini said if he was in her shoes, he would not risk worsening her condition by skating at GPF, since she has already won it twice. Ambesi agreed, saying that even if the others are getting closer Evgenia still has a good margin over them. He also said that he believes that Evgenia will decide to skate anyway and will manage - whether that's for the best, he said he didn't know. I agree with @Ame though: better not to show up than to skate and not win for her reputation. If she doesn't go to GPF, people are going to assume that whoever will win will have done so because of her absence. If she does go and underperformes due to her injury, people (and herself) might start doubting her as the OGM favorite. Just my 2 cents.
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I agree with all of you. Ideally, if she were not injured, she should skate well and win, to show people she's still ahead of Zagitova.
Her biggest advantage is the Flutz and quite lower BV in both program. While in the SP, she still has the advantage as there is not drastic change, she's clean and she will always hit near 80. So it's safe. But the BV is LP is significant lower and at Russian National when they competed directly her TES was already lower than Zagitova.
At olympic, BV of ladies speak a lot. But being healthy is still more important.
Her biggest advantage is the Flutz and quite lower BV in both program. While in the SP, she still has the advantage as there is not drastic change, she's clean and she will always hit near 80. So it's safe. But the BV is LP is significant lower and at Russian National when they competed directly her TES was already lower than Zagitova.
At olympic, BV of ladies speak a lot. But being healthy is still more important.
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History has said, the ladies who won Olympic often had the highest BV or the most difficulties of the night (if she did not bomb the SP badly like Mao did).
In Vancouver, Yuna had higher BV than Mao due to the rule of that time allowing her to jump three 2A.
In Sochi, Adelina had higher BV too.
Of course, Russian fed might still favor Zhenia but her outings this GP did not look good due to bad ankle. She will be ok if she is foot perfect again. But she need to rest first.
At Olympics authority and the PCS speak a lot. Yuna became a silver Olympic medalist with 8th or 9th BV among all ladies in Sochi and with underrotated second lutz. Mao became third with her huge BV in a FS after Yuna, because Yuna had 74+ in PCS and good GOE while Mao had 69 in PCS and 0, +1 for jump elements.
I think the formula is Authority+ PCS+ GOE. Janny has it all. People still don't understand that Med's authority is just huuuge. It is higher than Yuna's authority before the Vancouver.
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Exaclty! Also let’s not forget that it’s the TES that matters too. Judges have been quite nice this season to all skaters including Alina and her URs. I think at the Olympics they are gonna be tougher (I think!). Also there’s no way Alina can reach her PCs & if she does people will riot..
(Ps i did not know that about Yuna’s BV wow)
Janny's PB for TES is 82,40 and for PCS is 78,06. She needs to skate clean at Olympics and I am sured,she will get the scores very close to that, because Olympics are all about giving records to the favorites. All she has to do - to be healty at Olympics. I believe in her. But even if she will get silver, I will not be very upset because she is already one of the greatest athlets in the world. Her character and mental strength are an example to follow.
Maybe it was just unclear/confusing wording, but it seemed like charlotte14 was saying that it was Yuna who had the three triple axels and higher base value, when actually it was the other way round.
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Sorry I mean three 2A. The rule of that day allowed her to do that. So even though Yuna did not have 3A like Mao, her BV was higher than Mao at Vancouver.
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The reason Mao did not win the FS at Sochi despite skating the best of that night was because of her SP placement. She got a disaster SP, that's why she's no longer medal contender, hence lower scores than she should get. Skating order matters a lot. Had Mao place just around 3rd after the SP, I have no doubt her FS would have scored over 150 in Sochi.
You are correct that Zhenia has huge authoriy behind herself. But again it's in Korea and the authority there will not be friendly towards her anyway. Having a flutz only makes it harder for her to be appreciated.
Alina is gaining huge momentum, I don't see her scores get lower though. At this time it is too late for Zhenia to upgrade her BV I think so. She should stay healthy and skate clean. But I have to say, with her current BV, a clean ZHenia is not guranteed to win Olympic over a clean Zagitova who has much higher difficulty.
Why Korea will not be friendly about her? 0_o The judges are not all koreans and also they are not haters or y**abots or smth like that. Why so many words about her flutz when most of the top 10 ladies have problems with edges...Osmond, Daleman...etc. I am sure nobody from top 3 at OG would not be called flutz or lip.
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Zagitova has clean Flip and Lutz though.
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Yuna's 2nd Lutz wasn't UR. It was well within the 1/4 leeway as seen in different videos and slo-mo. She just had a scratchy landing is all.
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Anyway, I think Zhenya would win against even a clean Alina. She's too far ahead in PCS and is 99% (not mathematically accurate but you get the point) consistent in both SP and FS.
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But she often has ur and consistency is questionable, considering how she fell on her sp 4 times already. Also, Zhenya pcs is higher.
In short, zhenya still has a safe margin if she's clean, and to be in good health is required.
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All of this talk is making me anxious :sad4:
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