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Evgenia Medvedeva

So, in the span she has switched to Orser we have seen the following loop combinations:

Double axel - Triple loop
Triple sal - Triple loop

She reportedly did a (people said she did, no video):

Triple lutz - Triple loop

I wonder, what's next? As much as the 2a-3lo combo looks great, I'd love for her to do a 3f-3lo heading into Russian Nationals.


I think the next step is two backloaded combos: 3F3T(2T) and 3F2T/ 3F2T2T. Maybe she isn't practicing 3F3Lo because she doen't want to mess up her 3F3T combo (and she needs it for the sp).

I want to understand the logic between this, because it would be better just to focus on a 3Lo combo and 3f3lo seems ideal because she can use it for the sp and lp. But maybe as she has more flow out of her edge jumps, she finds it more comfortable to add a 3Lo after the 2A and 3S.

For next year I thought before that she was heading to adding 3F3lo in both sp and lp. But IF she fixes her edge on the lutz (and that's a big if) then maybe for the sp it would be more combinient to backload a 3Lz3T combo (instead of doing a 3F3lo at the beginning) and then for the lp do 2A3Lo, 3F3T/2T2T and 3Lz3T/2T2T. In that way she could repeat two flips and two lutzes with less risk as 3Lo combos are harder to rotate. Again we still have to wait a year, but what do you think of this strategy?

Anyway, wishing Zhenya good luck for this competition! I am really nervous, I don't know how she (and her family) can handle the pressure.
 
“Zhenya, we support you and wish you all the best and don‘t forget to count so you don‘t miss out on level 4 spins AGAIN. We love you, lots of luck, bye.“ :laugh:

Imagine if someone in the crowd just yelled “count to three on that spin position!” or “hold that camel for a second longer!”
 
Imagine if someone in the crowd just yelled “count to three on that spin position!” or “hold that camel for a second longer!”

Should I? ;)
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Btw, the BV for 2A3Lo is 8,20, here are the possible scores with GOE:

+1 = 8,69
+2 = 9,18
+3 = 9,67
+4 = 10,16
+5 = 10,65

Comparing them with the possible scores of 3S3T, it's pretty obvious that 2A3Lo, if landed well, is a better choice, as it has virtually the same value of 3S3T even if the combo is a double-triple instead of triple triple.

+1 = 8,93
+2 = 9,36
+3 = 9,79
+4 = 10,22
+5 = 10,65
 
@Jeani19 for the moment the rules do not allow a 3-3-3, only a 3-2-2 while the double jump does not repeat more than twice in the layout. Zhenya made a 3-3-3 in the Russian nationals 2017, but the last triple was invalidated:(.



To clear my doubts I went back to reading the manual, page 102, Jumps Combination, Laides:
the jump combination may consist of the same jump or another
double or triple jump. However, for all categories the jumps included
must be different than the solo jump.
If the same jump is executed as a solo jump and as a part of the jump
combination, the repeated jump will not be counted (if this repetition is in
a jump combination, only the individual jump which is not according to
the above requirements will not be counted).
If an extra jump(s) is executed, only the individual jump(s) which is not
according to requirements will have.


And, Rule 612, page 109:A well balanced Free Skating program for Ladies must contain:
maximum of 7 jump elements (one of which must be an Axel typejump);
 maximum of 3 spins, one of which must be a spin combination, onea flying spin or a spin with a flying entrance and one a spin with onlyone position;
 maximum of 1 step sequence.

REMARKS:
Jump Combinations and Jump Sequences:

A jump combination may consist of the same or another single, double,triple or quadruple jump. There may be up to three jump combinations orjump sequences in the Free Program. One jump combination couldconsist of up to three (3) jumps, the other two up to two (2) jumps.
Repetitions:Any double jump (including double Axel) cannot be included more thantwice in a Single’s Free Program (as a Solo Jump or a part of a JumpCombination / Sequence).Of all triple and quadruple jumps only two (2) can be executed twice. Ofthe two repetitions only one (1) can be a quadruple jump. If at least oneof these executions is in a Jump Combination/ Sequence, bothexecutions are attributed their full numerical value according to the Scaleof Value and calculation process described in Rule 353,
1.h) i) and iiIf both executions are as solo jumps, the second of these solo jumps willbe attributed 70% of its numerical value according to the Scale of Value.Triple and quadruple jumps with the same name will be considered astwo different jumps. No triple jump or quadruple jump can be attemptedmore than twice.

Extra jumps and jump elements:If an extra jump(s) is executed only the individual jump which is notaccording to the requirements will have no value. The jumps areconsidered in the order of execution.


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I have doubts with the rule of double jumps, and that of the "maximum 7 triple elements" (since Mao roasted and Rika kihira have 8 triples)


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Conclusion in simple words: Zhenya can make maximum 3 combos in the FS, two of them must be composed of two jumps (that can be triple or double,), only one of the combos can be composed of 3 jumps [that can be a 3-2-2 (Alina, Zhenya, Satoko, and many more) or a 3-3-2 (Bradie Tennel)], all this depends on the audacity when distributing the jumps so that they do not repeat more than twice.
The double jumps can be repeated at most 2 times, (zhenya can have a maximum of 2 2axel, a maximum of two 2t, a maximum of two 2lo, etc)these are almost always put in a combo, except for the axel.

analyzing all this, only the 3Lo combos with triple jumps really help at the time of distribution (3S-3lo, 3f-3lo)


And the rules keep updating, this is worse than chess!:drama:
 
BV with all level 4 and 10% bonus is 62,97 if I calculated right. Not sure about potential TES, I'd say around 76 if she's clean and gets all her levels.

Im doing the potential TES score right now.

Dear SailorMoonBear, it may take me more than a few minutes
 
@Jeani19 for the moment the rules do not allow a 3-3-3, only a 3-2-2 while the double jump does not repeat more than twice in the layout. Zhenya made a 3-3-3 in the Russian nationals 2017, but the last triple was invalidated:(.
You’re not understanding the rules. The second -3T in the 3S-3T-3T was invalidated because it was the third 3T performed IN THE PROGRAMME, which is the Zayak rule. She could do a 3S-3T-3T combo if the other two combinations were -3Lo or -2T/-2Lo (but not both). (-1Eu-3x is out because the -3T-3T is the one allowed three jump combo, which is why -2T has to be the end of the combo — no -2T-2Lo or -2T-2T.)
 
Evgenia is skating last in the SP. She likes skating last. Do you think that is the best position to be in?
 
Evgenia is skating last in the SP. She likes skating last. Do you think that is the best position to be in?

Yes! She has done that before successfully and then the judges are not as conservative with PCS vs in the beginning, middle - if skated clean, etc.
 
Should I? ;)
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Btw, the BV for 2A3Lo is 8,20, here are the possible scores with GOE:

+1 = 8,69
+2 = 9,18
+3 = 9,67
+4 = 10,16
+5 = 10,65

Comparing them with the possible scores of 3S3T, it's pretty obvious that 2A3Lo, if landed well, is a better choice, as it has virtually the same value of 3S3T even if the combo is a double-triple instead of triple triple.

+1 = 8,93
+2 = 9,36
+3 = 9,79
+4 = 10,22
+5 = 10,65


I hope she receives at least a +4 in the axel, I think she deserves it by adding the difficult entry / exit. They could try it out in some competition, and replace the 3s-3t, just to see judges reaction. It also gives zhenya the option to put a solo 3S that can receive a high GOE (since when she puts it in combo, 3t is small, and the goe for combos considers the distance and height of the whole combo ).

If I am sincere, for this competition I would like she to play it safe, since the classification is at stake,the layout of Autumn Classic seems perfect to me, it is strong enough and also safe.But if Zhenya and her team feel ready to add this new combo, I can only trust the work they have done this month, and wish it worked.:)
 
Here we are, Evgenia Medvedeva’s free skate base value and potential tech scoring:

LAYOUT (BASE):
2a+3lo = 8.20
3lz = 5.90
3f-2t-2t = 7.90
2a = 3.30
3f+3t X = 10.45
3s X = 4.73
3lo X = 5.39
JUMP BASE: 45.87

Now onto potential tech and GOE. Some of this is copy and paste from a post I made a while ago, nevertheless here’s her potential tech score

2a-3lo – If she performs it how she does it practice, I’d give it at least a +2 GOE. So in total I will give it 9.18

3lz! – At ACI, her 3Lz! was 6.02 points. At SCI it got 6.15. So let's just say she'll get 6.10 for the lutz at IDF.

3f-2t-2t – At ACI it got 9.17, we will stick with that

2a - at SCI it was 4.05 and the other two were 4.10. Very consistent scoring for it, so I will say a 4.10
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3f-3t – At ACI, her combo got 11.83 in the short. In the long it got 11.83 too. In the long at SCI it got 11.96. Let's give it an 11.90 for the combo

3s – In the second half, her sals are always impressive. I’m going to guess here and give it a +3 in goe, so total 6.02

3lo – She hasn’t landed this clean yet, one fall, one UR. I am going to guess again and say a clean one +2 goe is 6.37

TOTAL JUMP TECH: 52.84

SPINS (assuming level four) and STEP SEQUENCE (assuming level four) and CHOREOGRAPHIC SEQUENCE


FCSp4 at SCI got 3.89, at ACI 3.97. Let’s give it a 3.93

FCCoSp4 - she’s messed this up at both comps so we will get creative again and add a point for goe, so total 4.50 points

CCosp4 at ACI got 4.90. This spin got an lvl3 at SCI so we will toss that out

Step sequence 4 at SCI got 5.24, we will keep that

Choreographic sequence at SCI got 4.50, at ACI it got 4.60. Let’s say 4.55

TOTAL SPIN/SEQUENCES: 23.12

TOTAL TECH: 75.96

Components:
ACI - 69.28
SCI - 70.56

I am going to take another creative liberty here and jump another point to 71.56 if she is clean
75.96 + 71.56
TOTAL FREE PROGRAM SCORE: 147.52
 
Im doing the potential TES score right now.

Dear SailorMoonBear, it may take me more than a few minutes

3Lz — 5.90
2A — 3.30
3F-3Tx — 10.45 (+0.95 BV, +2.65 max GOE, BV 9.5 without bonus)
StSq4 — 3.90
CSp4 — 3.00
FSSp4 — 3.0
CCoSp4 — is 3.50
Total BV: 33.05 (with 10% bonus)/32.1 without accounting for bonus

Since +5 GOE is half of an element’s BV, her maximum TES is (32.1/2)+32.1+0.95, or 47.75.

ETA: oops, you were doing FS, not SP. But the GOE point still stands: calculate the total BV without 10% bonus, add half that total + the 10% BV bonus, and voila.
 
Here we are, Evgenia Medvedeva’s free skate base value and potential tech scoring:

LAYOUT (BASE):
2a+3lo = 8.20
3lz = 5.90
3f-2t-2t = 7.90
2a = 3.30
3f+3t X = 10.45
3s X = 4.73
3lo X = 5.39
JUMP BASE: 45.87

Now onto potential tech and GOE. Some of this is copy and paste from a post I made a while ago, nevertheless here’s her potential tech score

2a-3lo – If she performs it how she does it practice, I’d give it at least a +2 GOE. So in total I will give it 9.18

3lz! – At ACI, her 3Lz! was 6.02 points. At SCI it got 6.15. So let's just say she'll get 6.10 for the lutz at IDF.

3f-2t-2t – At ACI it got 9.17, we will stick with that

2a - at SCI it was 4.05 and the other two were 4.10. Very consistent scoring for it, so I will say a 4.10
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3f-3t – At ACI, her combo got 11.83 in the short. In the long it got 11.83 too. In the long at SCI it got 11.96. Let's give it an 11.90 for the combo

3s – In the second half, her sals are always impressive. I’m going to guess here and give it a +3 in goe, so total 6.02

3lo – She hasn’t landed this clean yet, one fall, one UR. I am going to guess again and say a clean one +2 goe is 6.37

TOTAL JUMP TECH: 52.84

SPINS (assuming level four) and STEP SEQUENCE (assuming level four) and CHOREOGRAPHIC SEQUENCE


FCSp4 at SCI got 3.89, at ACI 3.97. Let’s give it a 3.93

FCCoSp4 - she’s messed this up at both comps so we will get creative again and add a point for goe, so total 4.50 points

CCosp4 at ACI got 4.90. This spin got an lvl3 at SCI so we will toss that out

Step sequence 4 at SCI got 5.24, we will keep that

Choreographic sequence at SCI got 4.50, at ACI it got 4.60. Let’s say 4.55

TOTAL SPIN/SEQUENCES: 23.12

TOTAL TECH: 75.96

Components:
ACI - 69.28
SCI - 70.56

I am going to take another creative liberty here and jump another point to 71.56 if she is clean
75.96 + 71.56
TOTAL FREE PROGRAM SCORE: 147.52

:thumbsup:
 
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