60 & 59 years old, it's unreal :gclap: Ice Dancing would just not be where it is today without them.
Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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60 & 59 years old, it's unreal :gclap: Ice Dancing would just not be where it is today without them.
The whole Jayne and Chris's performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3w96ZeS7XM&feature=youtu.be
More than just ice dance........ Every silent movie inspired routine whether to The Artist or Chaplin goes back to mack and mabel; every circus routine whether to La Strada or cirque de Soleil goes back to Barnum; and every big dramatic romantic arts piece goes back to Bolero.
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That's so amazing. Even after all these years they still move so beautifully and perfectly in sync.
Love that photo of Gabi's hairstyle for DoI, too - it would be great if she could do it again for Worlds, but I bet it took a lot longer and a lot more help than she usually has!
Not long at all until Worlds now. I can't wait to see these routines one last time in competition. Saving the best till last!
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Wonder what G/G take on Bolero would look like?
Imagine if their new FD next season was Bolero choreo by C/J but totally different ?Could be very interesting
It would also be a big contrast to the Tango.
Imagine if their new FD next season was Bolero choreo by C/J but totally different ?Could be very interesting
It would also be a big contrast to the Tango.
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Less than two weeks now before the last act of the year. I hope to see them one last time shine a thousand poetic fires.
In the meantime, it's always good to visit this fan site regularly; you are pretty sure not to miss out on photos or short videos.
http://papadakis-cizeron.tumblr.com/
In the meantime, it's always good to visit this fan site regularly; you are pretty sure not to miss out on photos or short videos.
http://papadakis-cizeron.tumblr.com/
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For lovers of statistics and sharp numerical analysis.
http://skatingscores.com/
http://skatingscores.com/
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Confirmation they killed it on the pattern but it will be said ad nauseum they're not as good at the SD and their technic is not always as spot on as, well you know who. I know the pattern isn't the whole SD but it's the heart of it and the key technical element. So they're indeed the better skaters technically, the rest is "poudre aux yeux" or smoke and mirrors.
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I noticed that Guillaume isn't managed by David Baden anymore. (see instagram)
https://fr-fr.facebook.com/20minutes/posts/10156336466028311
I just found that live interview and i would be thankful if somebody could tell us what they are telling.Thank you ...
I just found that live interview and i would be thankful if somebody could tell us what they are telling.Thank you ...
Well, I strongly disagree with this statement.
I prefer not commenting Olys's scores in details but improving your overall by 8 points within 7 days (and almost since the whole season started) doesn't make sense. Anyone serious knows there's something wrong somewhere.
Cocotaffy said that Gaby and Guillaume were the technically better skaters, not V/M. And all year, G&G showed us that it was the case anyway.
The panel in the FD for sure wasn't their favor, but in any given situation, given the performances on that night, I do have some issues with the GOEs, comparatively speaking too. I wish it were less obvious or more believable.
But yes, you would have heard screams from Jupiter if it were G&G that were improving their PB by 8 points in a week. So if anyone ever tells you that there are no double standards, don't mind them :noshake:
Fully agree with you!! For sure something is very very wrong!!!!!
I'll do what's important
They watched Martin Fourcade on TV win. They said that it's nice to have the stress go away, last weeks were tense.
SD was a bit difficult to handle, but they handled it very well thanks to their preparation (physical and mental).
They received a lot of congratulations messages. They felt a lot of support, they're really happy about that.
Gaby : "It's a classic to be angry at a judges, but the system is quite well designed, we still beat our own WR on the FD" (Basically what happenned, happenned).
Interviewer : "A lot of people talk about changing your style, what does that mean ?"
Gaby : "It's not something that's mandatory, even if people do that. We do different things everytime, but we are also not passionnate about things that other people already did, or something that is not us. If we want to be the best, we have to do things that we are passionnated about".
Guillaume : "It's the SD exercise anyway. We did, swing, latin, tango next year, that's already a lot. The free dance is free. We change the theme, but we're not going to change who we are".
IN : "your rivals are going to stop now (retire)".
Gaby : "We already knew that, they are from a different generation. We'll have other obstacles, other rivals".
Guillaume : "It made us be better everyday in training, we learn a lot. We'll see about the future"
IN : "Does that bother you not to have been seen that much in France ?" (Due to the time change, since it was at 5 a.m, French time)
Gaby : "we don't really know, we're not over there and we cannot really assess, but we received a lot of support"
IN : "We did felt that there was more clapping and cheering for the Americans and Canadians, did not that bother you ?"
Guillaume : "Not really there were a lot more Americans and Canadians who came to support their teams".
Gaby : "And a lot more Americans and Canadians in Pyeonchang actually"
Guillaume : "There were some courageous French people that came and we thank them a lot. But it did not affect us."
IN : "Olympic Games in 4 years ?"
Guillaume : "A piori, Yes".
Gaby : "We didn't sign a contract, but we'll be thinking about the future, there is no retirement for sure, we'll be there"
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As Anyasnake pointed out, I was of course talking about Gaby and Guillaume being the better skaters and indeed proving it all year long and would have again if not for that dress, of that I'm sure. As for that incredible jump in a week, I'm with you in total amazement even though to their credit V/M did skate the best they had all season on the GP.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of "incredible"
things that happened during this competition ...I'll do what's important
They watched Martin Fourcade on TV win. They said that it's nice to have the stress go away, last weeks were tense.
SD was a bit difficult to handle, but they handled it very well thanks to their preparation (physical and mental).
They received a lot of congratulations messages. They felt a lot of support, they're really happy about that.
Gaby : "It's a classic to be angry at a judges, but the system is quite well designed, we still beat our own WR on the FD" (Basically what happenned, happenned).
Interviewer : "A lot of people talk about changing your style, what does that mean ?"
Gaby : "It's not something that's mandatory, even if people do that. We do different things everytime, but we are also not passionnate about things that other people already did, or something that is not us. If we want to be the best, we have to do things that we are passionnated about".
Guillaume : "It's the SD exercise anyway. We did, swing, latin, tango next year, that's already a lot. The free dance is free. We change the theme, but we're not going to change who we are".
IN : "your rivals are going to stop now (retire)".
Gaby : "We already knew that, they are from a different generation. We'll have other obstacles, other rivals".
Guillaume : "It made us be better everyday in training, we learn a lot. We'll see about the future"
IN : "Does that bother you not to have been seen that much in France ?" (Due to the time change, since it was at 5 a.m, French time)
Gaby : "we don't really know, we're not over there and we cannot really assess, but we received a lot of support"
IN : "We did felt that there was more clapping and cheering for the Americans and Canadians, did not that bother you ?"
Guillaume : "Not really there were a lot more Americans and Canadians who came to support their teams".
Gaby : "And a lot more Americans and Canadians in Pyeonchang actually"
Guillaume : "There were some courageous French people that came and we thank them a lot. But it did not affect us."
IN : "Olympic Games in 4 years ?"
Guillaume : "A piori, Yes".
Gaby : "We didn't sign a contract, but we'll be thinking about the future, there is no retirement for sure, we'll be there"
Thank you so much for this one and actually for all the translations you made. I still don't understand why some people think their last four free dances were "the same dance all over again." I understand if someone looks for 'versatility' but still... anyway, I am so glad they do not want to change and just continue being themselves. That made my day.
Thank you so much for this one and actually for all the translations you made. I still don't understand why some people think their last four free dances were "the same dance all over again." I understand if someone looks for 'versatility' but still... anyway, I am so glad they do not want to change and just continue being themselves. That made my day.
There seems to be a confusion or deliberate ignorance about the difference between "style" and "theme/interpretation". Style is/should be personal and distinctive and consistent, while the themes (including music) of your program change year after year.
Thank you so much for this one and actually for all the translations you made. I still don't understand why some people think their last four free dances were "the same dance all over again." I understand if someone looks for 'versatility' but still... anyway, I am so glad they do not want to change and just continue being themselves. That made my day.
You're all welcome, it's the least I can do for this thread
That's an excellent point that you make about their FDs. What was stricking is that the "same FD" argument started right after Mozart which was a bit surprising because not only classical music vs very modern (and sung) music but the storyline was just not the same. It's a love story (and what a beautiful love story, le ballet "Le Parc" is a must watch) vs a story about friendship and togetherness.
Then the Stillness FD, well that one was awesomely different, I even wished they pushed it further but they explained that they couldn't due to restrictions. It was angsty, chaotic (but not organized chaos) and it was like the ending had that sense of coming together after many obstacles. Well this is how I see it, because what I love is how I could have any interpretation of it, I can choose the one that fits the dance the best. It's like reading a book when there is no movie about it : you imagine the scenery, the actions even the characters faces.
For Moonlight Sonata, we are back to classical music, but we are far from a Concerto no.23 type of music. It's a bit dark, very dance-focused, very contemporary, again no proper story, feel free to invent one. I love the contrast between the classicism of the music and the modernity of movements. It is unique in the ice dance world today.
That one find similarities or a path or anything between these FDs, sure. For me at least, just because it's often piano music doesn't mean it's same, at all, and I surely did not need to study music for that. After all, we the super fans, we have watched them many many times and they're very different, the dancing the nuances of the music, the stories (or no-stories in that case). But some people have some bad faith and will say : "same thing for 4 years". If you absolutely need drastically different theme to believe they are doing something different, that surely isn't my problem. I don't care if they develop themselves into these dances, but I certainly don't need a Tango one year, Irish dance the next, Waltz after that... I'll leave that to the SD. And if PapaCiz want to do that, great for them ! As long as they don't do something that they don't like because that is not enough for the drive.
Another thing that I've noticed (and I think is very important) : while they develop themselves into a modern, contemporary way in their FDs, they actually look all very different. Under IJS we have seen many (maybe too many) FDs from one given team that were themed drastically differently. 1 year broadway, the next flamenco, the next classical, etc (that's an example). But how often do they get praised for their ability to do every single moves of every single style when it's not the case ? (and on these forums ? you are being torn apart). Just look at the SD, and how it's danced every year by most of the teams and you'll get the answer. A little bit of this and a little bit of that doesn't make you versatile. On the other hand, dancing your SDs well and mastering your FDs (suppoosed to be your say, your choice) does.
(And frankly... from Ed Sheeran to Bethoveen ? Wozaa
:thumbsupAnd most importantly under IJS : how often did we see those "different" themes, yet because of the elements, it feels like a different layout but same programs ? The step sequences for example look the same from one year to the other, but worst, from one team to the other. A lot of "different team and story, same FD " issue. Ironic.
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