Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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Agreed about the edges. Now, at Euros, they'll also fight it out with B/S. I don't thing S/B or coomes and buckland can challenge P/C unless major error on their part. B/S have had an all right season but they're definitely behind C/B. Also, they skate big and fast but they seem to lack refinement for me and their programs are a bit on the classic side, good big old russian drama.
C&L tech content in their FD is pretty impressive actually they had the second highest TES at the gp final and even beat C&B in the FD, its C&B that have struggled with the tech content in their fd this year they did some upgrades for the gp final but i am not convinced yet. Now P&C really need upgrades and its pressing.
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Robledo is indeed right and I apologize. I did want to say P/C got lucky with their FD last year. Thank you for noting it ....
I don't share this opinion at all...
Luck has nothing to do with what happened last season!
In the past years, most of us knew P/C was one of the most remarkable young couple. P/C have always been very different from the other ID couples in the way they behave as a couple, their unique technic (inherited by their first teacher, i.e. Gabriella's mother) to generate effortless speed, etc.
Until 2013-2014, Natahlie Péchalat and Fabian Bourzat were the french number ones and P/C were somehow "in the shadow" of P/B. In 2014-2015, the situation completely changed as P/C took over the french ID leadership. Furthermore, P/C moved to Montréal to work with new coaches, increase significantly the volume of working hours, develop their emotional connection, aso. P/C's experience, talent and work payed off. The judges broke all the "seniority rules" by promoting them more than ever in the ID history and I think that was on purpose. ImHo, the judges delivered a very clear message and not only at the Worlds but also at the Cup of China, Trophée Eric Bompard, Grand-Prix Final and quite obviously at the Europeans. Think one second about that...
My opinion is that some judges (and probably a big majority of them) want Ice Dance to move to new directions. I'm running out of time so I will develop this later on and I will also give my personal feelings about the various programs (P/C, W/P, CL, C/B, S/S and so on).
Breaking the seniority rules up to the point that a young ID couple won (and actually deserved to win) the gold medal one year after being 13th (Worlds) and 15th (Europeans) is not - w/o any doubts - a "coincidence".
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I adore their SD really, because it is so different in comparaison to the others.
their SD is sad (never thought than a waltz could be sad). Look the others with their big smile
and P/C no smiling.
When the SD is finished, i only think no already ! I don't notice how time flies. It's really beautiful.
their SD is sad (never thought than a waltz could be sad). Look the others with their big smile
and P/C no smiling. When the SD is finished, i only think no already ! I don't notice how time flies. It's really beautiful.
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I adore their SD really, because it is so different in comparaison to the others.
their SD is sad (never thought than a waltz could be sad). Look the others with their big smile
When the SD is finished, i only think no already ! I don't notice how time flies. It's really beautiful.
Well, their SD music is the soundtrack of W.E which a love story but with many tragic and bitter moments. They do excel with moody programs. I really love their SD too and I definitely agree on the fact that they are the only team whose programs fly by so fast you always end up wanting more. I don't know how they do that. It was the same last year for both their SD and FD.
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OK a little eye candy for us all 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAeuYSTAf0t/?taken-by=guillaumecz
Guillaume, really are you trying to bribe the judges before the Europeans ?
Let's see if they're receptive.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAeuYSTAf0t/?taken-by=guillaumecz
Guillaume, really are you trying to bribe the judges before the Europeans ?
Let's see if they're receptive.
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OK a little eye candy for us all
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAeuYSTAf0t/?taken-by=guillaumecz
Guillaume, really are you trying to bribe the judges before the Europeans ?
Let's see if they're receptive.
I'm totally buying it, provided he skates a gala number with no shirt
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some ppl already getting feisty about Gabriella and Guillaume's programs and chances in major upcoming events...
First thing - for me ppl who think that they 'got lucky' with their last year's FD are simply hilarious. Let's face it - they got right material, worked hard on technique, expression, reception, executed it perfectly and if others did not serve what judges would like better/did not execute their programs better, that's on their side. Gabriella and Guillaume gave us a piece of ethereal magic on ice by their last season's FD - and judges - as they're people also (surprise) - got caught with it too. They sit 4th after SD so they did have to deliver big time against big guns like Chock/Bates and Weaver/Poje (who btw both had a much better material last year in FD that this season imo...) so it was not 'being lucky' at all in my eyes. And moreover - I imagine that being 13th team at Worlds year before is not that easy going into new season so you need a really good material, loads of improvement, right motivation and self-confidence. Looking at them I definitely see them as hard workers, it's more about the style they present and ppl's tastes that cause all these discussions...
Second thing - I see that ppl are getting fuzzy over them repeating same style like last year and such things...In my eyes, if this is the style they're comfortable with, go with it, but in my opinion FD is nothing like last year's Mozart - it's more 'intimate' and 'close' in reception, almost like skating in a cocoon full of emotion they want to share with audience. Mozart was more about portraying various kinds of emotion in music, more 'expressive' in terms of showing. This year's FD is more about telling the story or more importantly, THEIR story. It's like accusing Tessa and Scott doing only gooey stuff on repeat thing - totally unjustified for me. I'd like to call Gabriella and Guillaume's style just contemporary - with all its shades: romantic, nostalgic, soft, edgy, experimental, classical...
As for their chances - all will be down to tech side (aka levels) between them, Cappellini/Lanotte and Bobrova/Soloviev (I will seriously cringe big time if Marina's dearest Sinitsina/Katsalapov will surpass Bobrova/Soloviev, because they are a truly definition of gooey material recycled in future and heavy politicking for me...)
How many skaters we have, each of them has its own way to interpret things and Papadakis and Cizeron have a rare ability to interpret things in so many ways, sad that some ppl cannot see this. When I see them, time is flying too quick, but airy magic they could create is timeless.
First thing - for me ppl who think that they 'got lucky' with their last year's FD are simply hilarious. Let's face it - they got right material, worked hard on technique, expression, reception, executed it perfectly and if others did not serve what judges would like better/did not execute their programs better, that's on their side. Gabriella and Guillaume gave us a piece of ethereal magic on ice by their last season's FD - and judges - as they're people also (surprise) - got caught with it too. They sit 4th after SD so they did have to deliver big time against big guns like Chock/Bates and Weaver/Poje (who btw both had a much better material last year in FD that this season imo...) so it was not 'being lucky' at all in my eyes. And moreover - I imagine that being 13th team at Worlds year before is not that easy going into new season so you need a really good material, loads of improvement, right motivation and self-confidence. Looking at them I definitely see them as hard workers, it's more about the style they present and ppl's tastes that cause all these discussions...
Second thing - I see that ppl are getting fuzzy over them repeating same style like last year and such things...In my eyes, if this is the style they're comfortable with, go with it, but in my opinion FD is nothing like last year's Mozart - it's more 'intimate' and 'close' in reception, almost like skating in a cocoon full of emotion they want to share with audience. Mozart was more about portraying various kinds of emotion in music, more 'expressive' in terms of showing. This year's FD is more about telling the story or more importantly, THEIR story. It's like accusing Tessa and Scott doing only gooey stuff on repeat thing - totally unjustified for me. I'd like to call Gabriella and Guillaume's style just contemporary - with all its shades: romantic, nostalgic, soft, edgy, experimental, classical...
As for their chances - all will be down to tech side (aka levels) between them, Cappellini/Lanotte and Bobrova/Soloviev (I will seriously cringe big time if Marina's dearest Sinitsina/Katsalapov will surpass Bobrova/Soloviev, because they are a truly definition of gooey material recycled in future and heavy politicking for me...)
How many skaters we have, each of them has its own way to interpret things and Papadakis and Cizeron have a rare ability to interpret things in so many ways, sad that some ppl cannot see this. When I see them, time is flying too quick, but airy magic they could create is timeless.
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I agree.The four minutes seem to fly by you get lost in the performance .They draw you in .I've watched the FD many times now and see something new everytime.It is different to Mozart more contemporary .Looking forward to seeing the programmes with the judges view and better camera work.
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Here is an interesting little piece on P/C's new programs. The author has some good insights. There's also a lovely close-up photo of their last lift where we can see their facial expressions. Really so many layers of expressions on their faces: neither angsty nor sad or even ultra-bright smiling but some kind of serenity, warmth, love ... I could go on. That's what I love about their interpretative work and that's one of the thing that set them apart from the other teams IMO.
http://thefinersports.sportsblog.co...french-national-championships-free-dance.html
http://thefinersports.sportsblog.co...french-national-championships-free-dance.html
Gabriella and Guillaume are on the way to Bratislava. I understand they will arrive in Slovakia today according to last post from Guillaume
http://igp360.com/guillaumecz/1168866807562501739_310845126
Of course, French Nationals were not a big challenge for them and given they skipped all Grand Prix (for very good reasons obviously), I can imagine they were quite frustrated since the season began. EC is their first real challenge and I can understand they are relief to finally compete there against the other top European couples.
http://igp360.com/guillaumecz/1168866807562501739_310845126
Of course, French Nationals were not a big challenge for them and given they skipped all Grand Prix (for very good reasons obviously), I can imagine they were quite frustrated since the season began. EC is their first real challenge and I can understand they are relief to finally compete there against the other top European couples.
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I'm quite nervous actually. C/L's programs have scored well all season long and deep down, I'm worried P/C might pay a bit for their meteoric rise last year. At the same time, the judges would simply contradict themselves by going harsh on them, provided they skate well of course. I hope their sudden success don't turn on them. I guess I'm just a pessimist. But I love this pair so much, I truly think they're unique and bringing such a new modern take on ice dancing
I'm quite nervous actually. C/L's programs have scored well all season long and deep down, I'm worried P/C might pay a bit for their meteoric rise last year. At the same time, the judges would simply contradict themselves by going harsh on them, provided they skate well of course. I hope their sudden success don't turn on them. I guess I'm just a pessimist. But I love this pair so much, I truly think they're unique and bringing such a new modern take on ice dancing
Well, it's a weird situation for Gabriella and Guillaume as they never had a chance to test their programs in an int'l competition so far. As I said, I guess it was quite frustrated for them and - I must say - for us as well!
I understand you're quite nervous as no one has a clue of what will happen in Bratislava. Now, though Gabriella and Guillaume are so young, be sure that they will fight and you can rely on Guillaume to push hard, he's such a competitor!
Finally, thinking of last season, you can't move from the 13th (Europeans) or 15th (Worlds) place to win the Gold medal only because your FD is exceptionally nice. And even in this case, it's one thing to have a very nice FD, t's another thing to be able to perform it with perfection!
Judges clearly rewarded Gabriella and Guillaume's talents (and hard work) last year. As I said before, I am convinced that most of the judges want Ice Dance to move to new directions so let's see what will happen in Bratislava.
The biggest question mark is for me is the side effects of Gabriella's concussion, meaning the lack of training (2 months w/o any sport for Gabriella...) and obviously the lack of competition and adjustment. Now, Marie-France Dubreuil said in Bordeaux that their connection and commitment to each other is stronger than ever and I must say that I had exactly this feeling while watching their programs at the french Nationals (even the video was awful!).
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Me too, the connection between them is so evident and translate even more from their skating. Also, this FD is much more intimate and it shows. All we can hope for them is to perform the best they can, anyway I just love watching them medal or not. Also, i think they're working on an exhibition program, it was not clear from Cizeron's instagram. But it looks different, a bit more Hip Hop, that would be good to show critical people they can skate whichever style they want.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BA4qfUEAf7-/?taken-by=guillaumecz
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