Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron

[hvr1000]

The masters will be an exciting event. I hear FFSG invited officials from other nations to judge?.... Dean's eagerly awaited SD is a modern masterpiece with much latin flair and its not to The Beatles. Very intricate to music that is quite popular.
V/M have a couple of center axis crossings in their SD which (with a normal panel) should be a choreographic deduction. The music choice to a rock and roll Rolling Stones and Eagles blues has also been noted elsewhere for its questionable latino quality. Hopefully with an even panel going forward (rather than a heavily influenced Canadian line up at Autumn Classic) this should even up.

The season should be open for all.
The FD will speak for itself.

Hold your breath. See you at Masters.. here's to good skating and less of the politics please....

 

[icetigger]

The masters will be an exciting event. I hear FFSG invited officials from other nations to judge?.... Dean's eagerly awaited SD is a modern masterpiece with much latin flair and its not to The Beatles. Very intricate to music that is quite popular.
V/M have a couple of center axis crossings in their SD which (with a normal panel) should be a choreographic deduction. The music choice to a rock and roll Rolling Stones and Eagles blues has also been noted elsewhere for its questionable latino quality. Hopefully with an even panel going forward (rather than a heavily influenced Canadian line up at Autumn Classic) this should even up.

The season should be open for all.
The FD will speak for itself.

Hold your breath. See you at Masters.. here's to good skating and less of the politics please....

I think it was clear that the short dance probably isn't to the Beatles when Gabi deleted the Beatles quote from her instagram. Which is quite sweet- like they have no idea how much people are anticipating what they are about to do!

That the free dance will speak for itself!- well- that would make it art, wouldn't it? lol

Like everyone here I am immensely looking forward to seeing their routines on Fridayish!

 

[lauravvv]

It's pattern dance element Rhumba. No one calls Pattern Dance Type Step Sequence a 'pattern'.

I don't care about Dave Lease, but you are wrong about this. People on forums (including this) call it a "pattern" regularly, and some commentators do it too. I don't think it's always out of lack of knowledge, but rather because the correct title is so long and people want to shorten everything nowadays.

V/M have a couple of center axis crossings in their SD which (with a normal panel) should be a choreographic deduction. The music choice to a rock and roll Rolling Stones and Eagles blues has also been noted elsewhere for its questionable latino quality. Hopefully with an even panel going forward (rather than a heavily influenced Canadian line up at Autumn Classic) this should even up.

I don't have knowledge about the center axis crossings, but, as for "questionable latino quality" music, I know that what is deducted is a wrong rhythm, not "questionable" (to some orthodox ice dance fans) overall music style. I think V/M don't have any problems with rhythm. 'Sympathy for the Devil' was intentionally written on a samba rhythm, and 'Hotel California' is a rhumba rhythm.

Plus, from the reports I understand that Gabriella and Guillaume don't use traditional latino music either. If it turns out to be true, but you don't say that they should receive a deduction for it just like you are saying about Virtue/Moir, it will be somewhat hypocritical.

Sorry to everyone for defending V/M here, but I have never hidden that I am their fan as well as P/C's. But more than that I simply dislike unfairness and incorrect information/opinions based on lack of knowledge about something etc.

 

[Snow63]

I don't care about Dave Lease, but you are wrong about this. People on forums (including this) call it a "pattern" regularly, and some commentators do it too. I don't think it's always out of lack of knowledge, but rather because the correct title is so long and people want to shorten everything nowadays.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong of course, but never heard anyone calling it a 'pattern'. Especially considering that last season (and season before that) this element was called Partial Step Sequence, not Patter Dance Type Step Sequence. The name of PSt was changed and the word 'pattern' was added to it only this season, so

 

[asunta]

The masters will be an exciting event. I hear FFSG invited officials from other nations to judge?.... Dean's eagerly awaited SD is a modern masterpiece with much latin flair and its not to The Beatles. Very intricate to music that is quite popular.

This is building the suspense

 

[alain06fr]

I don't care about Dave Lease, but you are wrong about this. People on forums (including this) call it a "pattern" regularly, and some commentators do it too. I don't think it's always out of lack of knowledge, but rather because the correct title is so long and people want to shorten everything nowadays.

I don't have knowledge about the center axis crossings, but, as for "questionable latino quality" music, I know that what is deducted is a wrong rhythm, not "questionable" (to some orthodox ice dance fans) overall music style. I think V/M don't have any problems with rhythm. 'Sympathy for the Devil' was intentionally written on a samba rhythm, and 'Hotel California' is a rhumba rhythm.

Plus, from the reports I understand that Gabriella and Guillaume don't use traditional latino music either. If it turns out to be true, but you don't say that they should receive a deduction for it just like you are saying about Virtue/Moir, it will be somewhat hypocritical.

Sorry to everyone for defending V/M here, but I have never hidden that I am their fan as well as P/C's. But more than that I simply dislike unfairness and incorrect information/opinions based on lack of knowledge about something etc.

You don' have to be sorry about anything. BTW, you're right, as I pointed out in some previous post, the ISU requirement is to dance on samba and rumba rhythms. One may obviously understand samba and rumba latin music when reading the ISU requirement but it's all about rhythm. As for Gabriella & Guillaume, as I said, they won't dance on typical samba & samba latin musics but on music with samba & rumba rhythms.

 

[cocotaffy]

The masters will be an exciting event. I hear FFSG invited officials from other nations to judge?.... Dean's eagerly awaited SD is a modern masterpiece with much latin flair and its not to The Beatles. Very intricate to music that is quite popular.
V/M have a couple of center axis crossings in their SD which (with a normal panel) should be a choreographic deduction. The music choice to a rock and roll Rolling Stones and Eagles blues has also been noted elsewhere for its questionable latino quality. Hopefully with an even panel going forward (rather than a heavily influenced Canadian line up at Autumn Classic) this should even up.

The season should be open for all.
The FD will speak for itself.

Hold your breath. See you at Masters.. here's to good skating and less of the politics please....

Ok I have to ask because you sound very informed, have you seen the programs ?

 

[icetigger]

I don't have knowledge about the center axis crossings, but, as for "questionable latino quality" music, I know that what is deducted is a wrong rhythm, not "questionable" (to some orthodox ice dance fans) overall music style. I think V/M don't have any problems with rhythm. 'Sympathy for the Devil' was intentionally written on a samba rhythm, and 'Hotel California' is a rhumba rhythm.

Plus, from the reports I understand that Gabriella and Guillaume don't use traditional latino music either. If it turns out to be true, but you don't say that they should receive a deduction for it just like you are saying about Virtue/Moir, it will be somewhat hypocritical.

Sorry to everyone for defending V/M here, but I have never hidden that I am their fan as well as P/C's. But more than that I simply dislike unfairness and incorrect information/opinions based on lack of knowledge about something etc.

I think the underlying point was that there was a bias to the scoring at the Autumn Classic- of which the points raised were examples where Virtue and Moir could be seen to have been overscored- that won't necessarily mean that the points Virtue and Moir received will stand up for the season as a whole. Also, the poster did not say that Virtue and Moir should receive a deduction with regard to their music choice: that is something you have erroneously read in to what was written. With regard to that point, I think especially with Hotel California section, which to me doesn't feel like a Rhumba, there is a definite question mark as to whether panels of judges in general will look favourably upon that choice, and that may well be reflected in the PCS in future events (which is not the same thing as being given a deduction).

I know I have read a lot of commentary about the 142 that Kaetlyn Osmond got at the Autumn Classic, with videos of that skate posted on youtube receiving more dislikes than likes; it is difficult not to see this score as evidence that this event was set up to give Canadian skaters an inflated start to the season.

I also expect we will see similar bias at the French Masters.

You've apologised for "defending Virtue and Moir here" but to be honest I don' think the original poster was attacking them: it was merely a measured assessment of the scores received for the short dance by Virtue and Moir at the Autumn Classic; that was given so those here for Papadakis and Cizeron might make a judgement as to how they will fare with their short dance this season in competition with them.

 

[cocotaffy]

BTW, admitting they'll skate to moonlight, apart from the iconic G/G LP, which other teams have used this music ? Even if it's such a well-known music, it doesn't seem to be chosen so often. But I might be wrong.

 

[all that]

I get the feeling they might have something outstanding and not safe for the SD!

Someone said their FD is moonlight sonata?

I get the feeling that both the SD and FD will be simply outstanding and no one else will have a chance. I can't wait til Friday! Whatever they present to us, I know they won't disappoint, because they are true dancers with class and vision. Plus Dean and the ballet dancer choreographing! I love how they took the challenge of the Olympic year and made sure they went to the very best for choreography! They may be young, but they have a maturity way, way beyond their years.

 

[all that]

BTW, admitting they'll skate to moonlight, apart from the iconic G/G LP, which other teams have used this music ? Even if it's such a well-known music, it doesn't seem to be chosen so often. But I might be wrong.

It's not chosen that often because it is very difficult to skate to such music. So quiet and pure...it's why Marina chose it for Gordeeva/Grinkov...to highlight the purity of their skating against the bombast of M/D. Seems fitting that the future multiple-winning OGM couple chose the music of past multiple-OGM winners!

 

[Rossig]

BTW, admitting they'll skate to moonlight, apart from the iconic G/G LP, which other teams have used this music ?

I know about Sasha Cohen and Usova&Platov (when they teamed in their professional career).

ETA
Of course Sasha Cohen is not a team . Just saw you asked about the teams.

 

[cocotaffy]

I know about Sasha Cohen and Usova&Platov (when they teamed in their professional career).

ETA
Of course Sasha Cohen is not a team . Just saw you asked about the teams.

No it's ok, actually I was more wondering if it had been chosen often but apparently not that much. I'll check those performances. Thanks.

 

[asunta]

BTW, admitting they'll skate to moonlight, apart from the iconic G/G LP, which other teams have used this music ? Even if it's such a well-known music, it doesn't seem to be chosen so often. But I might be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frjDqRGQO3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhQz0hB2GA&t=238s

I recently read that Moonlight sonata comparing with Moulin Rouge is a worse choice because MR is very friendly music but a Beethoven's masterpiece is monotonous. I won't dispute with this silly statement. Moonlight sonata lasts 15 minutes and consisted three different movements. Adagio sostenuto, the most known part and maybe many people think that this it. Allegretto - this is a scherzo movement, Presto agitato - The beautiful stormy final movement. Besides the final effect it also the matter of particular orchestration.

 

[all that]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frjDqRGQO3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhQz0hB2GA&t=238s

I recently read that Moonlight sonata comparing with Moulin Rouge is a worse choice because MR is very friendly music but a Beethoven's masterpiece is monotonous. I won't dispute with this silly statement. Moonlight sonata last 15 minutes and consisted three different movements. Adagio sostenuto, the most known part and maybe many people think that this it. Allegretto - this is a scherzo movement, Presto agitato - The beautiful stormy final movement. Besides the final effect it also the matter of particular orchestration.

These are just ubers who are beginning to realize that Moulin Rouge has no possible chance against Moonlight Sonata. Ewan McGregor's wailing against a Beethoven masterpiece? In what universe are the vocals in MR appealing to an audience? The whole argument is ridiculous.

 

[cocotaffy]

Yes, I didn't count anissina/peizerat's FD because it's more of a Beethoven best-off than strictly Moonlight. They were so flamboyant and fast though, and all that hair flying around. I loved their feisty, all-out style.
As for MR vs Moonlight, I would argue more people actually know the melody of Moonlight than MR. MR might be well known among skating fans and moviegoers but Moonlight has been among us for so much longer. Plus, it all depends on the music edits. We've seen this past week how meaningful music editing is crucial to tie the choreography and give sense and direction to the program. Tbh I was not so thrilled about this rumor, if it is still one at this point, not because I don't like Moonlight plus G/G's Moonlight might be my favorite skating fan moment, but I thought it was too famous. And they've been spoiling us with unexpected musical choices both in their SD and FD up to now. But what matters is how they feel about it, not me. If it's their choice, their vision, then I know they'll make it their own.

 

[alain06fr]

It's not chosen that often because it is very difficult to skate to such music. So quiet and pure...it's why Marina chose it for Gordeeva/Grinkov...to highlight the purity of their skating against the bombast of M/D. Seems fitting that the future multiple-winning OGM couple chose the music of past multiple-OGM winners!

I fully agree, it's very difficult to skate on this music
You mentioned Gordeeva/Grinkov who skated on the Moonlight Sonata. That was in 1994 in the Pairs category. Strangely enough, sometimes, I feel like Guillaume and Sergueï Grinkov have certain similarities, at least a modern approach of anything related to the artistic part (choreographies, etc).

 

[soto06]

Juste for the fun,prediction for the SD :
Carlos Santana - Black Magic Woman

 

[icetigger]

i like Moonlight Sonata; but I prefer Mozart to Beethoven full stop. With regard to the 2015 FS, the incredible thing for me about that choreography was that it picked up all the nuance and phrasing of the music: it is so easy when skating to Mozart for the music to make the skater somewhat redundant, and this didn't happen to P and C. Then with the 2016 FS, the music was far less phrased: the music felt like a blank canvas on to which P and C were painting something; and there was enough space in the music for this to happen. I think Moonlight Sonata will be somewhere between the two. If by comparison, they were skating to this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Og3y4hRN1g, which is- to my mind- Mozart's precursor to Moonlight Sonata, everything would have to be exact to the melody line and the choreography would be far more prescribed. I do understand the charge of monotony for the first part of the Moonlight Sonata, but those repetitive triplets can be used effectively to hang something one- a "melody" of movement rather than sound; and in terms of creating a dance piece that "monotony" can give a freedom a more varied and complicated piece of music might not allow.

With regard to Moulin Rouge, I have no idea why anyone would want to go to Olympics, a once every four year event, and subject the audiences and the judges to Ewan MacGregor's horrific singing. I, for one, do not think that everyone has ability to completely separate what they hear from what they see; and if the judges being forced to listen to something that bad, it will likely influence their opinion of what they see. Beyond that, it communicates a lack of judgement of what is good, or even what is pleasant. It's just not a good piece music to choose. Full stop. And as I am going to watch every Virtue and Moir performance this year, I wish they'd chosen something different for purely selfish reasons.

 

[icetigger]

Juste for the fun,prediction for the SD :
Carlos Santana - Black Magic Woman

Virtue and Moir have Santana for their programme.

But l'll play anyway. Lady Gaga Alejandro for the SD
Moonlight Sonata for the FS seems established, but I say mashed up with Moonlight soundtrack.