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Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
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it doesn't work for me, may be because I don't have any vk account ?
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Sorry to hear that, I tried both on my PC and my phone and it works. It opens in a PDF format so no need for a vk account either. I downloaded it, if you send me your email address via MP I can attach it as a document.
ETA: you can try directly from the website , scroll down a bit and click on download, it might work better
ETA: you can try directly from the website , scroll down a bit and click on download, it might work better
Merci Cocotaffy. This interview shows they want to have fun in first place. They learned how to deal with the stress and pressure. Between the lines, one understands the great support they got from the French federation. I am really convinced this "not so small victory" (to re use the wording) of the free dance at Worlds in Helsinki is a great starting point and a key element moving forward. As always, they are modest and just take life as it comes and this is something I really like with them.
And a few nice words from Guillaume to finish this post:
“I feel skating is a really hard sport because it combines so many disciplines — it’s skating skills; it’s interpretation; it’s artistic.
“You learn about relationships, you learn about so many different things. You can never be perfect in every area.
“I believe I’ll always be able to be a better dancer, a better skater, have better technique, and a better connection with my partner. It’s a process that never ends.”
Guillaume Cizeron
How can you be serious? Finlandia was an ISU event with ISU judges. Why should the judging be disregarded? They're using the same rules to judge as will be used in the Grand Prix series.
Alain said that "appropriate actions were taken" so that (and I'm sure this was just an example) if falls occur outside of elements, skaters shouldn't be getting 9.75s for performance. Yet P/C fell in a tech element, and still 4 judges awarded 9.75 for performance. So what's going on? Why would "performance" be affected by a fall outside of a tech element, but not by a fall within a tech element?
ETA: I'm not trying to be annoying. I'm trying to better understand the "consequences" (as Alain put it) that have flowed from the judging at last year's Worlds.
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I think 9.75 is acceptable with a fall if the rest of it is perfect. But lets face it, it is just challenger. There would be tons of 10 if Cizeron didnt fall. In World canadians almost fell and there were many 10s.Is that right for you? You wonder about 9.75 with a fall but you dont mind 10 with a fall too.
A fall outside of a tech element or within in it IS A FALL. skaters shouldnt get 10s in PCS if theres a fall.Doesnt matter where it was. It could concern GOE and level if is tech element
IOW he didn't fall so none of this really applies to what happened at Worlds when you think about it
The only in writing decision about what should happen in the event of a major error in any skate is that a skater should not receive a ten for any part of the components (and that was added after this year's Worlds, presumably after the Ukrainian judge gave Virtue and Moir 3 10s, but also for the resolving of an issue that has gone back many years (think when Chan beat Ten in 2013?)). Alain has said that 9.75 was also discussed as not being a viable score in such an event, but it wasn't made part of the actual printed rules. P and C scored 23 9.75s for their sake in Finlandia. In all likelihood, if that rule had not been in place, they would have scored a significant number of tens (maybe as many as 20). Therefore, overall for the fall, they got the negative G0E (-2 GOE), the deduction for the fall (-1) the reduction in level for the step sequence as the Twizzle was missed, from level 3 to 2 (apparently there was not enough features completed beforehand for it to have been a level four step sequence) and a reduction of as much as a full point for PCS. A big big issue with the ISU rules is that the relationship between the technical elements and the PCS isn't made explicit (that I can see), and it leaves that relationship open to interpretation (see the recent discussion around Carolina Kostner's score at Finlandia). In the case of the fall at Finlandia for P and C, I would say an appropriate to slightly excessive reduction was made for the fall, based on the the combination of a loss of points on BV, GOE and PCS. The issue with V and M was that the fall was made during the circular step, as the twizzle was completed, but the weight transfer back on to the other foot which would marked the end of the circa step hadn't been completed, and also the circle of the step sequence had not yet been completed at the time of the fall. I would also agree that with failure to safely transfer weight from the twizzle foot to the non twizzle foot, that the twizzle should not have counted as a feature for the circular step and that over the sequence shouldn't have gained above a level two (but I accept this very strict in terms of most people's outlook on this). This fall however did not produce any form of significant reduction, as it looks to have been interpreted as being outside the step sequence by some; and because it is not classified as a fall according to the rules, which are mainly geared towards falls in relation to jumps in singles skatings; and only three of the judges looked to have made appropriate reductions of both GOE and PCS- the Spanish judge, the American judge and the Russian judge. The resulting overscoring was also no doubt exacerbated by the fact that Virtue and Moir had a convincing lead in the short dance and were skating after Papadakis and Cizeron (their only real rivals) so that P and C received a slightly muted response because the expectation would have been for V and M to have the skate of the night, and Virtue and Moir received an inflated response based on the expectation for them to have the skate of the night. If P and C had skated after V and M, they would have had 10s thrown at them across the board for the PCS.
But without going in to the minutiae (and the minutiae aren't in the rules unfortunately) it is clear that the level of reduction that P and C got at Finlandia just in terms of points lost is probably about right, and the level of reduction of what Virtue and Moir got at Worlds for an equally dramatic and invasive fall during their skate was just wrong.
I think the implications of what happened in Helsinki will have reverberations for the upcoming season (as Alain said). The obvious one that can't really be denied is that rules were changed to state that skaters shouldn't receive 10s for Pcs if they make a major error; and that was clearly enforced on P/C at Finlandia- because no-one gets that many 9.75s without getting a 10. But the further reverberations will be a re-evaluation of the conclusions drawn with regard to the standings of the two teams; and in particular with regard to the final three PCS sections of Performance, Composition and Interpretation, just because the clean skate by P and C against the dodgy skate of Virtue and Moir (and there were more issues with that skate than just the fall- wobble from Scott on first set of twizzles, out of sync on third set of twizzles, trip with fall and hand down on circular step, and some really dodgy skating from Scott in the middle of the diagonal step) made clear that as skaters they are in a different artistic league to V and M.
Well, that's my view on it, and why I think it will have a bearing on this year's competition.
Plus you have to remember, the Isu will never say that they got something wrong; competitors for example can only challenge scores received in very narrow circumstance which fail to bring the judges opinions in to question (such as when Capellini and Lanotte completed an extra lift which could be objectively determined at last year's European's). So for them to have inserted a caveat re pcs in to the rules regarding 10s, which is obviously in response to the free dance at Worlds, is a big big thing. Everything else with regard to how this will influence the sport and how it reaches it judgements on individual skates will be at the level of internal discussion; except maybe if the PCS guidelines change/or have changed for this year, in a way that will recognise the higher level of artistry P and C have brought to the sport.
It is useless to talk about the Canadian notes in Helsinki (for me, it was a bad joke
), it will not change anything
A new season has begun
P/C were sanctioned for the fall at the Finlandia trophy, they did not have a 10 due to the fall. It's ok. The notes are logical and deserved even if it is a challenger (like the Autumn classic in Canada)
This challenger has earned them a few points in the ranking, it is important for them to be in the top 5 (and be in the last group at the Olympics). They are 7th.
), it will not change anything A new season has begunP/C were sanctioned for the fall at the Finlandia trophy, they did not have a 10 due to the fall. It's ok. The notes are logical and deserved even if it is a challenger (like the Autumn classic in Canada)
This challenger has earned them a few points in the ranking, it is important for them to be in the top 5 (and be in the last group at the Olympics). They are 7th.
Two beautiful photos
https://twitter.com/Naskademini/status/919974948361375745
https://twitter.com/Naskademini/status/919974948361375745One more amazing photo
http://papadakis-cizeron.tumblr.com/
http://papadakis-cizeron.tumblr.com/The beginning of Moonlight Sonata during a rehersal. it looked nice, but I prefer the final version. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZtZl8mgWJ7/?taken-by=jeffreycirio
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZtZl8mgWJ7/?taken-by=jeffreycirioA new beautiful photo:luv17:https://www.instagram.com/p/Babfwm-g0-f/?hl=fr&taken-by=guillaumecz
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Wow, I never realized how much the Challenger competitions matter in this, and silly how Regional Championships like Europeans or 4C don't count at all.
At this year's Worlds they skated in the last group ( in the SD) even though they did not compete at any challengers last season and their ranking had suffered from not competing the full 2015/2016 season. Obviously their GP points helped enough for them to be in the top 5. I think it would have been the same this season without them competing in a challenger.
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Sooo, after seeing almost all competitors and leaving things to set for a while, I have to say:
SD: I love how, even with the non-traditional Latin music choice, their dance has the most Latin choreography among the main players. If you turn the music off, it just jumps at you, Latin is incorporated in more than just the static moments, it's there in the step sequences, in their body movement, in their expressions. Also, I like that the chosen aesthetic is Latin street dance as opposed to Ballroom dancing. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but Shape of You is kind of growing on me.
FD: Needs a bit of work on the lifts and the spin, but this is classical, glorious P/C. At its best, like Guillaume's head movement on the music accent in the stationary lift, it's incredibly immersive and hypnotic to watch. I honestly feel sorry for the teams trying to copy the style, they cannot get anywhere near them.
Overall, if executed well (they can't afford more than one L3), I'm super optimistic about their chances at the OG.
SD: I love how, even with the non-traditional Latin music choice, their dance has the most Latin choreography among the main players. If you turn the music off, it just jumps at you, Latin is incorporated in more than just the static moments, it's there in the step sequences, in their body movement, in their expressions. Also, I like that the chosen aesthetic is Latin street dance as opposed to Ballroom dancing. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but Shape of You is kind of growing on me.
FD: Needs a bit of work on the lifts and the spin, but this is classical, glorious P/C. At its best, like Guillaume's head movement on the music accent in the stationary lift, it's incredibly immersive and hypnotic to watch. I honestly feel sorry for the teams trying to copy the style, they cannot get anywhere near them.
Overall, if executed well (they can't afford more than one L3), I'm super optimistic about their chances at the OG.
A fair take, I would say. The only thing going forward I am hoping for (I think there is more to be done on the free programme, and tidying of the short, but I'm sure those will happen) is that they ignore the fall at Finlandia and approach their upcoming competitions in the same manner as they did there. Gabriella is really coming through: her head and neck movements were more released at Worlds 2017, which may be because she is now fully recovered from the concussion; and in the free this year that's also evident. Plus she emotes from start to finish in that free at a level no-one else can. If there's a difference for the judges in competition and the general viewership it's that her ability to emote whilst performing is more evident and draws them in. That's why I think the judges were ready to dole out the highest level of PCS at Finlandia. Plus Guillaume is doing stuff that draws a clear line between him and every other male ice dancer. When they are both setting themselves apart so clearly from the field, it's hard to not think that have a great chance at OG.
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I completely agree with your SD assessment. I'm struck too on how dancey their SD is, the danciest of the whole lot. They also have the best pattern because unlike all the other teams they skate on the beat of the music instead of through it. Everything highlights the beats, edge work, head movements, all marking the beats. They are also one of the rare team not to stop doing a little shaking in the middle of the non touching, they just dance through it still managing to shake their body and bounce around. The street dance feeling is well put, this is the only SD which makes me want to leave my seat and start shaking it in the middle of my living room to my kids and cat great shame and dismay
Overall, I know the Ed Sheeran choice is not pleasing everyone but it does grow on you and their whole approach just screams modern, fresh and infectious. I just hope they'll hammer their tech this year, they can't afford leaving points on the table.Yes the set pattern feels, ahem, not "set"; and uniquely so.
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