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Hanyu's skating edges

skateluvr said:
I am certainly a fan but noticed at least on Internet his FS seemed slow and he was obviously having stamina issues. I guess this has always been a hurdle for him.

I noticed and please don't beat me Hanyu fans that he doesn't have deep edges and he is on the flat of his blade much like Plushenko was. Sometimes he flies and it is beautiful to watch. Can someone comment on this? Very different is the skating of Shoma Uno to stick with the top male skaters and keep it in Japan. Can a skater comment on this and how he gets these big scores when he is not going in and out of jumps using deep edges like Chan Uno Or. ?

I like this kid but was underwhelmed by his FS and I liked his last year program better. Perhaps he was much faster than I can see on Internet but I didn't see good edge quality and would like to hear from skaters about this and his scoring. Besides Patrick and Shoma who are the top quad jumpers with the best edge quality? And is it rare for quads jumpers to have deep edges while doing transitions in and out of jumps. Thanks. Just wanting to learn more about technique.
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Ask him , maybe he knows the right answer :biggrin:
 
When people are bored, they open this kind of threads...:yawn:
You just need to educate yourself, listen to some figure skating experts, read some articles and so on. It's not that hard :confused2:

Just because you don't understand something, or you have problems with your eyes or you are confused, this doesn't mean something is wrong with the skaters. It's you. Just saying :console:
 
I disagree that he does not have deep edges. His edge quality is very good, though i would like him to rather HOLD the deep edges instead of doing endless transitions. It would be more effective and pleasing to watch. Patrick is the master of getting the edges real deep into the ice, deep and precise.

Seimei was better, I agree. Maybe this program has not fully matured yet, we shall see in the future. And yes, he looks a bit slower and out of steam here. But he fell once so he needed more energy to get back in form. So that was understandable.

Besides Patrick and Shoma (and Yuzuru), there are many other skaters who have nice edge quality. Han Yan's edge quality, though he is not the best quad jumper, is very nice I think, but he somehow did not get rewarded for it. Perhaps he needs a better program and choreography to show it off.

And it is indeed rare to have transition in and out while still having deep edges. Because it is hard to master both technique at once. Even the best skaters cannot always do that. Yuzuru can do that (spread eagle entry and exit), Shoma (spread eagle entry, cantilever exit). Probably some other skaters can do that too but I can't think of them right now.
 
Yuzuru is a highly skilled skater, he's one of the best in the world. A lot of what he does on the ice is extremely difficult and very fast, so don't beat yourself up for not being able to follow it! There's a lot of blogs and youtube videos that can explain the technical side of figure skating so that you can understand it better and these may help answer your questions.

Of course if you still have Yuzuru-specific questions, I'd suggest his fan-fest is the best place to ask. We're always willing to help :biggrin:
 
lakeside said:
Uno usually lands on awkward positions with no flow. How does he have "deepest exit edges" with those awkward positions? Go check Meoima's thread to see how many crossovers Uno has in his program. Maybe you don't know what are transitions and think crossovers are counted as transitions. :laugh: And it's so funny that you think his cantilever is a transition. That's part of his step sequence and it's NOT a transition LMAO.
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The cantilever was with respect to deep edges. And the spread Eagles were with respect to transitions. You should check out that transitions chart comparing the guys. I don't exactly see ZERO or "absolutely no" transitions under Uno's name.

Although I suppose you would say something to that effect if you're also going to say Uno often lands awkwardly with "no flow".
 
giulia95 said:
Don't worry and enjoy the best Swan-Prince ever! :love: :laugh:
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TV has just aired Gala and I watched with my mom - she absolutely loved Hanyu, went on how beautiful and polished his movements were, how unrushed and finished, how perfectly to the music . :biggrin: Maybe my love for Yuzu transferred to her partially, but generally she loves operatic classical pieces so Notte Stellata was just right up her alley. (She also enjoyed Nathan way more than in the competition - she basically said that ghere should be limits put on the jumps so that skaters could focus on choreo and dance more because, hey, Nathan can dance! And she was completely unmoved by both P/C and V/M but impressed by Megan Duhamel's muscules.)
 
Hanyu has no versatility, Hanyu has no edges... Please keep on informing me what else Yuzuru doesn't have!
 
When I think of deep edges, I would usually look in the step sequences and transitional edge work before the jump landings or two-foot highlight moves such as spread eagles, although those can also certainly show deep edges.

Aside from the depth of the lean, I would also consider speed and acceleration, flow (maintaining an even glide rather than continuously losing and regaining speed), and the security of the edge (no wobbles).

Agility (ability to change directions quickly and efficiently) is also valuable, but not directly related to the depth of the edges and sometimes works against it. Maintaining or gaining speed through multiple turns and steps is certainly an indication of good edge skills.

It seems we tend to see more quick steps and changes from smaller skaters and longer-held edges from larger skaters: think Orser vs. Boitano.


For the Shin Amano fans, here he is competing ~20 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxsLy2xFSEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXGfaDBtNuw
 
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