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How feasible would it be for skaters to change their take-off technique (especially skaters that prerotate a lot), is it possible?
underrotations are judged so harshly
Depends about what prerotation we're talking about. Today, even 180 degrees is considered normal, but ideal is 90 for jumps like Toe Loop and Axels. Salchows and Loops have also natural preroation but I think skater can reach more than 90 and still be considered a good technique.I don't if it's possible, but to answer the question in the title:
- There would be only 4 skaters with ratified 4lz in this world.
- There would be just a few women with actual triples.
Sherbakova prerotates 3/4 rotation of her quad Flip on ice and uses full blade to take off. This video explains it well and doesn't attack the skater.Can someone who is knowledgeable abut the tech aspects clarify who the worst pre-rotation offenders are at the moment? I always hear it's the Russians, but I'm not good enough at spotting it to judge for myself.
why does Shcherbakova get positive GOE
Beyond laughable how those faux technical "experts" overlook the fact that Michelle was the mother queen of wrong technique.If judges were strict with prerotation Michelle Kwan wouldn't have win anything.
Michelle Kwan's Lutz, 2002.
Wrong edge, full blade assist, pre-rotation over 180.
(Anna Shcherbakova hadn't been born yet.)
Nobody cared, as long as she is not a Russian.
Is it possible to prerotate Lutz?I don't if it's possible, but to answer the question in the title:
- There would be only 4 skaters with ratified 4lz in this world.
- There would be just a few women with actual triples.
Not Lutz. So I assume prerotated lutz automatically means flutz?If judges were strict with prerotation the American GOAT Michelle Kwan wouldn't have win anything.
Michelle Kwan's Lutz, 2002.
Wrong edge, full blade assist, pre-rotation over 180.
(Anna Shcherbakova hadn't been born yet.)
Nobody cared, as long as she is not a Russian.
Is it possible to prerotate Lutz?
you don't have a clue what are we talking about here, right?Not Lutz. So I assume prerotated lutz automatically means flutz?
True and hardly anyone cared about Kwan’s horrendous technique throughout the 90s and early 2000s and those who did were nearly burned at the stake! Some of the worst technique originated with the likes of Kwan! At least Chen and some other ladies of the 90s actually delayed their rotation to the top of the jump! True jumping technique!If judges were strict with prerotation the American GOAT Michelle Kwan wouldn't have win anything.
Michelle Kwan's Lutz, 2002.
Wrong edge, full blade assist, pre-rotation over 180.
(Anna Shcherbakova hadn't been born yet.)
Nobody cared, as long as she is not a Russian.
When the rule of cheated take-off was included into ISU Technical Panel Handbook? Was Kwan still an active skater at the time?Nobody cared, as long as she is not a Russian.
No one cared be cause simply no one cared about technique at that time. Stop making everything about Russia.If judges were strict with prerotation the American GOAT Michelle Kwan wouldn't have win anything.
Michelle Kwan's Lutz, 2002.
Wrong edge, full blade assist, pre-rotation over 180.
(Anna Shcherbakova hadn't been born yet.)
Nobody cared, as long as she is not a Russian.
Yes, although ideally, Lutz has minimal preratation. Usually skaters that have that deepening outside edge have minimal prerotation. This video compares again several Lutz jumps - https://youtu.be/kLVZA48lylsIs it possible to prerotate Lutz?