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Sotnikova for one always and never ever does not Flutz \
She did not get an "e" in her most recent SP.
Sotnikova for one always and never ever does not Flutz \
CanadianSkaterGuy said:A fall on a fully rotated triple flutz with a wrong edge take off would get -3's and then a -1 deduction. So essentially about 1.3 points.
She did not get an "e" in her most recent SP.
That's about 1.3 points too high. You took off wrong, you landed wrong. Everything that had to do with blades on ice you did wrong. Not to mention that when you fell on your butt your blades are not in contact with the ice at all until you scrambled awkwardly to your feet. The only thing you did right was rotate in the air, which is not a skating skill. After all, you could do that on dry land in your stocking feet.
I kind of agree with PftJump above. Difficulty alone should not be worth any points. Lots of things are difficult. Putting skates on your hands and standing on your head is difficult. (I think Gary Beacon could do it, though ). Whistling Dixie at the same time makes it more difficult still. IMHO the IJS should reward the demonstration of figure skating skills, foremost proper command of edges.
To me, if the skill you are attempting to exhibit is launching from a back outside edge, and then you don't…
As far as I have learnt from posters here, the difference in take off between a lutz and a flip cannot be reduced to the final moment of the takeoff. For a lutz to be a flutz and not just another flip, the trajectory of the set up has to be like a mirror image of the alphabet S, whereas the trajectory of the flip set up is like the alphabet C.
To give zero points just because there was one moment in the process of the takeoff that went wrong, is counter to the logic of CoP marking system…
It was a flutz, not even a slight one at that. The tech panel always makes so many errors it's embarrassing.
Difficult to execute? Uncomfortable attempting? IT'S A COMPETITION.
While I agree too much difficulty just for the sake of difficulty is bad for the sport (REALLY bad in the case of ugly and/or time-consuming CoP spins/footwork), a complete set of Triple jumps should be more valued than it currently is. I don't find your comparison about Quads to be accurate at all. Asking Ladies to have all of their Triples up through Lutz is like asking Men to have all of their Triples up through Axel...which they ALL do, if they ever want to compete at a high level.
^ Still, it is not too much to expect our world and Olympic champions to display (in the words of the IJS ) "mastery of the complete skating vocabulary."
I think it is, actually.
There are plenty of men who don't execute certain triples, e.g. Plushenko and his 3F.
Funny how every Ladies Champion from 1991 to 2008 attempted 5 different Triples. But apparently that's suddenly too much to ask for these days. Maybe global warming has made it too difficult?
If in the 90s, skaters were legitimately deducted for edge/UR calls, there would be a lot of skaters who wouldn't be attempting lutzes or flips.
The rules could build in rewards for executing five different triples, e.g., a moderate bonus for doing so. [My suggestion would be something like 4 point bonus for 6 different triples (men) or 5 different triples plus double axel (women) with no underrotation, downgrade, or edge calls and no GOEs less than -1.]