Jason Brown-Gold In Sochi?

[ice coverage]

Most people do not know that a quad is a jump with 4 rotations in the air. Or that it is difficult. ... People don't know what a quad is and don't care at all!! And judges know but they don't care either. Just some people care.

You're joking, right?
People who watch skating only every four years do understand what a triple jump is. They do understand that triples are quite difficult.
Any of those people with any common sense at all is capable of extrapolating to correctly understand what a quadruple jump is. And to understand that a quad is even more difficult than a triple.

Jason obviously is doing just fine (more than fine) competing without a quad -- for now.
But as noted above, it is not as if he were shunning the quad as he trains. Sooner or later, he will be competing with one or more quads too.

 

[Tonichelle]

he doesn't have a quad and he's not as polished as the top contenders... this is his first taste of what's to come... I could see it happening in 2018 if he's taken care of and continues the upswing... but he has less of a chance than the ladies to hit the podium, and practically no chance of Gold.

 

[noskates]

I disagree with the statement that he's not as polished! There are a few top contenders that I could go along with but there are also some that I find painful to watch because they don't interpret their music, their focus is on the damnable quads, and their spins look like a mish-mash of uncomfortable positions. This isn't his first taste either - he's been competing internationally for a few years. I realize the Olys are a whole different ballgame but I don't think Jason deserves to be spoken of as if he's some little kid fresh out of a country rink. Don't underestimate him, please.

 

[gmyers]

You're joking, right?
People who watch skating only every four years do understand what a triple jump is. They do understand that triples are quite difficult.
Any of those people with any common sense at all is capable of extrapolating to correctly understand what a quadruple jump is. And to understand that a quad is even more difficult than a triple.

Jason obviously is doing just fine (more than fine) competing without a quad -- for now.
But as noted above, it is not as if he were shunning the quad as he trains. Sooner or later, he will be competing with one or more quads too.

Then maybe interviewers are just playing dumb with skaters when they ask what a quad is for the benefit of potentially ignorant viewers.

Brown is not saying anything about shunning quads and saying he is training them and will add them next season. He's not someone who did them and stopped. He's never done one and knows because of US nationals and TEB judges he doesn't personally need one. He will win free skates at us nationals against men with 2 triple axels to his one and 2 quads to his none. He can also win gp medals too!

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

A lot of those multiple quad men are max Aaron's and they are no competition for Jason brown at all. He just blows right past them no problem.

Not quite. Hanyu, Machida, Takahashi, Chan, Fernandez, Amodio, Joubert, Abbott, Ten, and Kovtun (in Russia) can all get higher marks if they skate well (Jason hasn't been on the senior scene very long). It's unlikely he will get the GOE love that he received at Nationals, so he probably will not clear 90 points of TES. And he will certainly not be receiving 93 points of PCS in a FS when his personal best is just over 80 points (the aforementioned guys score higher).

I think a way more appropriate title for this thread would be "Jason Brown, medal hopeful in Sochi", and not gold. There is no way he will earn gold unless the field bombs and if they bomb to the extent where Brown's able to win, it would be a worse bombing than last year's Worlds. At his best, he can still achieve an 87 point SP and a 165 point LP, and 250+ might be good enough for bronze if others falter (like last year's Worlds). I hope people don't put all these hopes and expectations on him, and hope he can enjoy his Olympic experience, skate solidly (potentially get a team medal!), and use it as a building block towards the next quadrennial up to 2018.

 

[TontoK]

A gold medal... any medal at all... would be a huge surprise. I hope he's not thinking about it. I want him to enjoy this experience.

But there's more than one way to come out a winner in this sport. I have probably watched his USNat LP 20 times in the past week.

It has been a long LONG time since I've been as interested in a male skater. I expect, over time, I will watch this program as much as I do Curry's 1976 LP.

If he skates like this at the Olympics... with style and abandon and freedom and joy... he will be a HUGE star.

 

[wallylutz]

I hope people don't put all these hopes and expectations on him, and hope he can enjoy his Olympic experience, skate solidly (potentially get a team medal!), and use it as a building block towards the next quadrennial up to 2018.

Well said, and considering the OP is a known outspoken Russian, I can't help but wonder if that's precisely what was intended to begin with - put so much expectations on him so that he implodes given how unrealistic the premise of this thread is to begin with.

 

[KwanIsALegend]

A gold medal... any medal at all... would be a huge surprise. I hope he's not thinking about it. I want him to enjoy this experience.

But there's more than one way to come out a winner in this sport. I have probably watched his USNat LP 20 times in the past week.

It has been a long LONG time since I've been as interested in a male skater. I expect, over time, I will watch this program as much as I do Curry's 1976 LP.

If he skates like this at the Olympics... with style and abandon and freedom and joy... he will be a HUGE star.

I saw a recent interview with him and he was just so shocked to have skated so well and make the Olympic team. I think medaling hasn't even crossed his mind, I think he is just giddy and happy to be going. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders and is just taking it all in and appreciating all of it.

 

[Mrs. P]

I doubt he is reading Golden Skate anyway...

He's said time and time again that his goal is to skate the way he does in training (i.e. clean programs). Anything else is icing for him. He doesn't even get too down on himself when he doesn't have a good program. He is disappointed for a bit, learns from the mistakes and moves on. Also it's worth mentioning that he absolutely admires/adores/fanboys like half the men's field, so I think he knows who he's going up against.

 

[aftertherain]

Can we ... um ... capitalize his last name in the thread title or something?

I almost ... erm ... read it as "Jason, 'brown gold' in Sochi?" instead of "Jason Brown, Gold in Sochi?"

 

[WeakAnkles]

Look...he's Mr X. He had a SPECTACULAR performance at an event (which, by the way, he didn't win).

Look...here comes the 12348343434 threads on GS asking Is Mr X the Savior of Figure Skating? Can Mr X Win Gold? Is Mr X the Greatest Skater of All Time?

Just sayin'...

 

[Mrs. P]

Look...he's Mr X. He had a SPECTACULAR performance at an event (which, by the way, he didn't win).

Look...here comes the 12348343434 threads on GS asking Is Mr X the Savior of Figure Skating? Can Mr X Win Gold? Is Mr X the Greatest Skater of All Time?

Just sayin'...

You forgot the "Can Mr. Y fill in the gap on Mr. X" thread....

 

[wallylutz]

I doubt he is reading Golden Skate anyway...

You'd be surprised, very surprised. Skaters read about themselves on the internet all the time. Whether Jason reads a particular site or not, I cannot say. All I know is most skaters are keenly aware of comments made about them.

 

[ice coverage]

Then maybe interviewers are just playing dumb with skaters when they ask what a quad is for the benefit of potentially ignorant viewers.

:agree: Interviewers (discussing all kinds of subjects, not limited to skating) often ask questions to which they already know the answers. But it's much more interesting to hear the interviewee/newsmaker respond in her/his words. A skilled interviewer will resist the temptation to "pre-answer" his/her own question to show off how knowledgeable he/she is.

You forgot the "Can Mr. Y fill in the gap on Mr. X" thread....

 

[Mrs. P]

You'd be surprised, very surprised. Skaters read about themselves on the internet all the time. Whether Jason reads a particular site or not, I cannot say. All I know is most skaters are keenly aware of comments made about them.

I don't doubt that Jason reads about himself in the media. I just doubt that he would let it affect him nor do I see him spending much time on a message board.

In any case, given that Jason is beyond himself that the people from Riverdance watched him skate, I don't think he's too worried about his medal prospects right now. https://twitter.com/jasonbskates/status/423682215084445697

 

[Tonichelle]

I disagree with the statement that he's not as polished! There are a few top contenders that I could go along with but there are also some that I find painful to watch because they don't interpret their music, their focus is on the damnable quads, and their spins look like a mish-mash of uncomfortable positions. This isn't his first taste either - he's been competing internationally for a few years. I realize the Olys are a whole different ballgame but I don't think Jason deserves to be spoken of as if he's some little kid fresh out of a country rink. Don't underestimate him, please.

I'm not underestimating, I'm being realistic. Why put all of this "second coming" crap on him when he has a lot of room to grow and mature...

 

[Mrs. P]

I'm not underestimating, I'm being realistic. Why put all of this "second coming" crap on him when he has a lot of room to grow and mature...

For the record, I didn't think you were being harsh on you assessment.

I think there's plenty of room to grow. For one thing, he needs to perfect that second 3A. It was 3A< with -GOE here. Also, Jason can definitely be a lot faster. While I appreciate all the transitions in his jumps, I agree with some that perhaps it wouldn't hurt for him to give up a MITF or two so he can harness more speed.

And of course, the obvious need to get a quad in his arsenal.

That said, his jumps do seem to be improving from earlier this season, they definitely seem to have a lot more flow out.

I agree that it's never a good idea to declare anyone the second coming of anything. Besides what fun is it to see someone be perfect all at once.

Now I will argue that you may be underestimating the Seahawks' prospects for the NFC Championship on Sunday.

 

[Skater Boy]

Jason appears to be the real deal but he still has room to grow and develop as mentioned by others. He has the it factor but he is really dependent on clean triple axels as he does not have the big quads. He will need to show also he can consistently land the triple axel and without them may get sewered. If he skates cleanly imho he is far superior to Evan. Evan is one of the best competitors and some may say lucky - but he is really just a monster competitor. he was clean in Vancouver and he is not a top notch pc guy like Dai, Patrick even back then or Lambiel. Only die hard Evan fans will really remember his performances because though he was an amazing cmopetitor his programs were mediocre. Not the big tricks, not eye popping spins, not the absolute best skating skills and not the charisma but one of the toughes competitors and a bit lucky maybe too lol. He could have lost to Plushy if the judges just switched a few things. I am happy for Jason and love his style but he will need to show more than one skate before we crown him king of skating kings. Right now I am leaning towards him being great but I can see him not making the uS team next year if they have two spots due to consistency. I hope Evan will move on because Jason, Max, Adam, Joshua, Ross et al are ready to move in.

 

[Skater Boy]

sorry people. i am not trying to pick on Evan but compare the two. Jason has real potential to be special.

 

[gmyers]

Well said, and considering the OP is a known outspoken Russian, I can't help but wonder if that's precisely what was intended to begin with - put so much expectations on him so that he implodes given how unrealistic the premise of this thread is to begin with.

Lol at assuming I am russian and trying if I was to make ethnicity an issue!!! Of course you must be thinking of the horrible embarrassment for Russia kovtun was at 2013 worlds when his mission was 2 spots and he failed miserably maybe because of all the pressure and expectations but NO. You just don't win medals your whole career being one jump behind all the other men and then turn senior and in 2013 win a gp medal with no quad and then win us nationals fs with one 3a!!! Face it: his career is just always him being doubted because no 3a or no quad and what is there? Nothing but golds and silvers and medals in everything!

Not quite. Hanyu, Machida, Takahashi, Chan, Fernandez, Amodio, Joubert, Abbott, Ten, and Kovtun (in Russia) can all get higher marks if they skate well (Jason hasn't been on the senior scene very long). It's unlikely he will get the GOE love that he received at Nationals, so he probably will not clear 90 points of TES. And he will certainly not be receiving 93 points of PCS in a FS when his personal best is just over 80 points (the aforementioned guys score higher).

I think a way more appropriate title for this thread would be "Jason Brown, medal hopeful in Sochi", and not gold. There is no way he will earn gold unless the field bombs and if they bomb to the extent where Brown's able to win, it would be a worse bombing than last year's Worlds. At his best, he can still achieve an 87 point SP and a 165 point LP, and 250+ might be good enough for bronze if others falter (like last year's Worlds). I hope people don't put all these hopes and expectations on him, and hope he can enjoy his Olympic experience, skate solidly (potentially get a team medal!), and use it as a building block towards the next quadrennial up to 2018.

Amodio and jouberts careers are basically over. Kovtun is just lol in pcs. Machida too new. Ten is so inconsistent. Brown can make up quad points on goe and pcs.