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Jason Brown

Mrs. P said:
I'll ignore the score, but for reference his personal best TES internationally is 45.98.

Anyway, he's looking good for this time in the season. I agree the opening choreo gives room for a 4T-3T in lieu of the 3F-3T. In any case a far improvement from last year's Glacier FALLS. :laugh:
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Ah Mrs P, you can't totally ignore it because you'll need to put it in the US men's score tracker, no? ;)

Seriously, tho, he must have gotten a lot of +GOE because his base value and levels have to be fairly close to what he got a TEB. What's interesting to me is whether this score, like his score at TCC, just resulted from a bunch of score-happy US judges, or if it will translate to some degree at the international level. His SP score at TCC was pretty close to his PB, and this performance was definitely much better than TCC or TEB for that matter. So I think he deserves higher score PCS and GOE than he's gotten before. The question is how high. And that, I think, will depend in part on how much general score inflation carries over from last season.

What's also really interesting is that he scored about the same here as Hanyu did at TEB:

http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpfra2013/

Hanyu was not yet a World or Olympic champion, his program had one 4T, and his BV wasn't huge - 42-43. I guess given the overall score inflation this past season, I'm curious as to what he would receive if he skated that same program in the same way today.
 
^ The answer to the question is "a bunch of score-happy US judges" and nothing else, Tavi. I mean, it was a very nice skate and it looked great for this time of year (especially, as Mrs P says, compared to last year's Glacier FALLS!), but it wasn't a 95 skate. No way. No point going gangbusters over this score. (Otherwise I would be in a million depressions over Max's Collegiate score, or Brendan's score here).

I've had a horrible week at work and I really want to sit down and treat myself to this feline elegance performance at Sun Valley that you're all talking about but I have to go out again. Life not fair. I want to join the feline elegance conversation. :gaah:
 
karne said:
^ The answer to the question is "a bunch of score-happy US judges" and nothing else, Tavi. I mean, it was a very nice skate and it looked great for this time of year (especially, as Mrs P says, compared to last year's Glacier FALLS!), but it wasn't a 95 skate. No way. No point going gangbusters over this score. (Otherwise I would be in a million depressions over Max's Collegiate score, or Brendan's score here).

I've had a horrible week at work and I really want to sit down and treat myself to this feline elegance performance at Sun Valley that you're all talking about but I have to go out again. Life not fair. I want to join the feline elegance conversation. :gaah:
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Ha ha Karne, you will join the feline assurance conversation in due course! Be sure to also view the plushy clip that LRK posted - it's amazing!

And to be clear, I am not at all arguing that was a "95" skate. I do think the score was inflated - my question really is how much, and what he will score at, say, NHK, with that identical skate - 86? 88? 90? Because I do think he's improved and deserves higher scores than he was getting before his injury. 84-85 used to be a really great score. It no longer is. If the score inflation continues, 90 and 95 this year will mean something different than they did in the past.

Anyway, looking forward to tonight!
 
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Tavi... said:
Ha ha Karne, you will join the feline assurance conversation in due course! Be sure to also view the plushy clip that LRK posted - it's amazing!

And to be clear, I am not at all arguing that was a "95" skate. I do think the score was inflated - my question really is how much, and what he will score at, say, NHK, with that identical skate - 86? 88? 90? Because I do think he's improved and deserves higher scores than he was getting before his injury. 84-85 used to be a really great score. It no longer is. If the score inflation continues, 90 and 95 this year will mean something different than they did in the past.

Anyway, looking forward to tonight!
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I really really want to see how he was scored before i starting arguing about over scoring or what he would get elsewhere. I do think scores have gone up, and it seems that judges like this new SP far more than his last two, so I do think this skate elsewhere would score a new PB for him by a fair amount.... i just don't know where they got these numbers. For instance how much did they score the 3A? That was a lovely 3A, especially for Jason, but it was still stalked... and I while i think +1 is warranted +3 is likely not... i want to see what he actually got.

For perspective, I played around with what his score could be with a quad based on his TCC scores... I got 94.96 for the short, and the reception i got was more on that is too high side. So i would love to see the protocols. His PCS her was a full 1.88 higher than at TCC for instance. His TES was 5.74 higher. Higher (on both) than TCC does seem fair as this was cleaner.

Based on what we have seen from judges - I think a clean skate of this program at a real even can break 90, but maybe not 91 internationally. No idea how coo coo they may go for a quad at this point.

I just want to know why the combo has been moved to the first jumping pass. It seems in the short he likes to do his hardest jumping pass first... so has the combo become harder than the 3A, or has the world just gone mad? I actually wonder if the long term goal is to open with a 4T+3T. Which would also mean that he likely would do two 4Ts in the free... if he is comfortable enough to go for a 4T+3T in the short, i would guess he is comfortable enough to do it again with a solo 4T in the long.

Looking forward to what happens today... I think.
 
Great season opening for Jason last night! He looks in mid-season form already. The program was clean, flowed well and was a beautiful, emotional skate. Regarding the score, I thought 95 was a bit high. I would have put it closer to 90.

I did a little breakdown and used actual marks received in the past to come up with my estimated total:

Base Value: 38.30 (if he received all level 4s)
GOE: 7.88 (actual from TEB 2013)
PCS: 44.2 (actual from TCC 2016)
Total: 90.38

So looking forward to seeing the FS again. Go Jason! :cheer2:
 
Tavi... said:
No fancam yet but a nice picture of Jason after his FS:

https://twitter.com/luglio/status/759568240297189376

Okay you all know Jason is my absolute favorite, but I have to say it. 182 with a 2z. And maybe a slip. 277 total, nearly 50 points clear of the field. Our own Patrick Chan, but no quad. What is going on ??????
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I think that is a stock photo... lack of manbun in that shot.

I will say that his TES was at least less than TCC this time... as it should be with a 2Z. My best guess on the scores are that we don't normally see Jason skate club comps in form... so I guess this is what his in from club comp scores are. Really they are not that far off form what he has gotten at nationals... so maybe we should not be *that* shocked by it.
 
StitchMonkey said:
I think that is a stock photo... lack of manbun in that shot.

I will say that his TES was at least less than TCC this time... as it should be with a 2Z. My best guess on the scores are that we don't normally see Jason skate club comps in form... so I guess this is what his in from club comp scores are. Really they are not that far off form what he has gotten at nationals... so maybe we should not be *that* shocked by it.
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Ha ha, I didn't even notice about the photo. I still like it!

You're probably right about the scores but still! He's gonna get hated on for those scores. But I guess he'll survive.
 
Maybe the judges are just captivated by the manbun and the Brazilian bartender costume?;)

Like I said in the GF thread, I don't really give a flip if it's overscored, it's good to see Jason back in Jason form.:yes:
 
Tavi... said:
Ha ha, I didn't even notice about the photo. I still like it!

You're probably right about the scores but still! He's gonna get hated on for those scores. But I guess he'll survive.
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The snark is already starting unfortunately.
looking back his scores for nationals
2015 SP 93.36 FS 181.62 Total 274.98
2014 SP 87.47 FS 182.61 Total 270.08

So he did not even beat Riverdance here in reality. He appears to be in similar form as when he is at Nationals... honestly if you use Nationals as the yard stick, these scores seem about right.
 
el henry said:
Maybe the judges are just captivated by the manbun and the Brazilian bartender costume?;)

Like I said in the GF thread, I don't really give a flip if it's overscored, it's good to see Jason back in Jason form.:yes:
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Yes it is, don't get me wrong!

My idea about the scores is, the judges were so traumatized that they had to mark him way down last year that they saved the rest of the score they were planning on giving him last year and just added it into this year's score. You know. Kind of like leftovers. :laugh:
 
Thank you for finding this!

Okay, well, that's nearly perfect - a doubled lutz and a small slip after 3Lo - so I can see why they thought it deserved a good score.

I think second 3A is now at begin of second half? It looked better than first! And last combo had improved flow.
 
Thx for having posted that:)
I go crazy when I see Jason spinning like that:D
That was truly amazing...

I hope there's room for a quad (or two:p)
 
BTW, Arsenio Hall attended Glacier Falls to see his friend Jason skate:

Arsenio earlier had let Michelle Kwan know that he was at GF to watch Jason "and a bunch of talented whippersnappers" :laugh: ;), and she sent a hello to Jason et al.

(I haven't kept up with all the GF posting ... don't know if Arsenio's presence was mentioned elsewhere.)
 
deetrakt said:
FYI, Cecily Morrow (the Gustave Lussi acolyte and jumping expert), previously reported to be joining 7K in June, is apparently staying in Lake Placid. She is now listed as a "Satellite Coach" (Huh?) below their staff.
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Unfortunately Cecily's body just wouldn't adjust to the altitude! Some people experience mild altitude sickness when they move/visit here but for Cecily it has been extreme and doesn't appear to be resolving :(
 
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