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Jason Brown
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You are much nicer than me
I've heard that about Jason too and I'm usually very loud about my disapproval because I think of it as patronizing doo doo. He has a quad, aside now the whole UR that makes me grumble even today, and he was practicing two and then he got injured. And suddenly, the quad(s) disappeared from some people's memory and that he has been trying to grow, at his own pace and integrate it all into one beautiful whole. It's just weird. But I'm glad he's not affected by it and that he has a great team that's leading him well, knock on wood it all fully pays off when it matters most, in Helsinki. Hopefully 4CC is a good experience for him too.
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It was tweeted by a different user so it could have been from the same practice but a different angle than the clip I posted earlier.
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So I was thinking about the whole quad thing. I love to watch them when they're well executed - for example, the recent clips of Josh's quads on Instagram are gorgeous.
But I personally don't find any of the current programs with many quads in rapid succession interesting or exciting. There's too much dead time - for example, the first 2+ minutes of both Nathan's and Boyang's programs really bore me - and they seem virtually indistinguishable despite the very different music choices. Showing off personality and skating skills in footwork and choreo sequences is nice, but not nearly enough to make up for what's missing in the rest of the program, at least for me: I want to see quads fully-integrated into wholly beautiful programs. With few exceptions, there isn't a lot of that right now, and quite honestly, I'm not sure we'll ever see it in 4-5 quad programs - the setups are so long, they simply may not allow for it.
I'm sure people who find the jumps themselves exciting feel quite differently to me.
In any case, and back on topic, I am glad to see Jason back out there! His 3A isn't quite where it was at SA, yet, but I'm sure that will come soon!
But I personally don't find any of the current programs with many quads in rapid succession interesting or exciting. There's too much dead time - for example, the first 2+ minutes of both Nathan's and Boyang's programs really bore me - and they seem virtually indistinguishable despite the very different music choices. Showing off personality and skating skills in footwork and choreo sequences is nice, but not nearly enough to make up for what's missing in the rest of the program, at least for me: I want to see quads fully-integrated into wholly beautiful programs. With few exceptions, there isn't a lot of that right now, and quite honestly, I'm not sure we'll ever see it in 4-5 quad programs - the setups are so long, they simply may not allow for it.
I'm sure people who find the jumps themselves exciting feel quite differently to me.
In any case, and back on topic, I am glad to see Jason back out there! His 3A isn't quite where it was at SA, yet, but I'm sure that will come soon!
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It's definitely different than the one posted by purplelove301 - much shorter and taken from higher up on the other side of the rink. Looks like same rum through though.
I actually saw the Weibo clip just now -- I had seen he shorter twitter clip first, the one katmari just posted. He looks much improved from Nationals.
A clean program could get him a score in the high-80s, based on his PB TES/PCS (45.98+43.43 = 89.41). His PB TES is actually from TEB 2013 with no quad.
A clean program could get him a score in the high-80s, based on his PB TES/PCS (45.98+43.43 = 89.41). His PB TES is actually from TEB 2013 with no quad.
I agree 100%. I'm not completely anti-quad, but I would really like to see more balance in the programs. I initially stopped following skating in the all-quad, no art Timothy Goebel era. Once he and the other first generation quadsters retired the pendulum swung toward more well rounded skaters. (I count Jason in that group.) Over the last year or so it's swung back into the quad is everything mode and I am bored watching most programs. Someone put together a compilation video of free skate programs by the top men competing at 4CCs but with the jumps and spins removed. Jason's is one of few I enjoy just as much without jumps. Yuzuru's is another since I'm a fan of the music of Joe Hisaishi.
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It's pretty funny that he hasn't surpassed that TES from TEB in 3+ years- here's hoping it will happen this week!
To be honest looking at his TEB protocols, I think that with a really good skate, including a beautiful 3A(comparable to the one he did in SP at SA), he could actually get a couple more points in GOE, achieve TES of about 47-48, and end up a bit over 90. Depends on how generous judges are feeling, especially if he doesn't do quad.
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Yuzu and Javi are two of the exceptions who actually have decent programs - I loved Semei and Yuzu's commitment to it especially.
ETA here's the full SP:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7_UEAcJdU
I think again it's from same practice. Something looks off to me - many of the movements don't quite synchronize with the music (e.g., shooting movement isn't remotely near "I never shoot to miss"). Something is different in FW - simplified? And he's still looking down and putting a hand down on knee slide. Maybe he's just not strong enough for some stuff yet?
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He can definitely get some more +3s on the spins and steps, his camel spin is miles better now then it was back then.
ETA: Another fan cam for Jason's SP run-through, on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7_UEAcJdU
Also, one thing I noticed... he looks REALLY lean. Not that he was ever overweight or anything, but just looking at photos and this video in particular, it looks like he lost some weight or took it easy on the muscle. Wondering if it's an attempt to get more spring on jumps or something? Or a by-product of the injury?
ETA 2: Tavi posted it too! RE FW---he had a slight intersection with Boyang Jin as he started his FW, so I think that was part of it....
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The clip is beautiful no doubt. Agree he looks more lean possibly deliberate for aerodynamics or process of recovery as you say but I don't feel that is a negative thing. He seems to be moving slightly slower and in deep concentration focusing on every move which would be appropriate for practice. I don't remember that I-spin (sort of) toward the end... is that new? Embarrassed if it has been there all along and I never noticed it but I tend to react to his skates as sum total rather than component parts. If he is watching his diet aiming toward lean body mass I hope he is taking bone health/strength into account.. calcium is so important even at his age... this is a quality clip. Thank you for posting!!
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Yes. It looks to have taken the place of the catch-layback.
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Thanks! So, would that be an easier move than the catch-layback or was the change an aesthetic one?
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I actually have a feeling the change might have been to protect his back. It'll make me beyond sad the day the beautiful teardrop spin and that beautiful catch-layback are gone for good, but I would be shocked if we made it to the end of his career with those still intact.
Confused...he didn't have a catch layback in the SP combo spin.
Skate America SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JTLGY1ZMWY&t=2m49s
(He does this twisted sit position)
Nationals SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFTMWg3-P2Q#t=3m05s
He opts for a more traditional sit spin position and a headless spin at the end.
The one in the practice is similar to Nationals except his leg is closer (i.e. the I-spin like move)
There's no layback in any of them....
That said, I think he was missing levels on that spin (he got a level 3 with a (V) in NHK) so that's why the changed it.
And FWIW, he still does the teardrop camel spin....
Skate America SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JTLGY1ZMWY&t=2m49s
(He does this twisted sit position)
Nationals SP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFTMWg3-P2Q#t=3m05s
He opts for a more traditional sit spin position and a headless spin at the end.
The one in the practice is similar to Nationals except his leg is closer (i.e. the I-spin like move)
There's no layback in any of them....
That said, I think he was missing levels on that spin (he got a level 3 with a (V) in NHK) so that's why the changed it.
And FWIW, he still does the teardrop camel spin....
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In watching this again, aside from the near miss with Boyang, I think stuff looks a bit off because the music isn't quite synchronized with the video. Also, this is an Olympic sized rink, so maybe he hasn't quite adjusted the program to the changed size - I notice the split jump is not directly in front of audience as usual. Anyway, time will tell!
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I had no idea this was the point, probably because I never really understood the words. Now I know
This YouTube channel has great videos. Is he the same one who streams the IN feed from time to time? (I can't remember the name but I believe he was Korean). Cause he should get a medal just for that.:agree:
I had no idea this was the point, probably because I never really understood the words. Now I know
This YouTube channel has great videos. Is he the same one who streams the IN feed from time to time? (I can't remember the name but I believe he was Korean). Cause he should get a medal just for that.:agree:
I think the YT person is a she? I don't think she's involved with IN. Just a fan who gives good fancams. She a treasure trove especially during local Korean comps.
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Thank you for the info; I obviously don't know much about her.
The other Korean (I thought, could be wrong) whom I was thanking, filled with good-hearted kindness, "unofficially" streamed from their personal channel. But I could be totally wrong and maybe they were streaming the octupus.
The big choice for this comp: Octupus or Kaz TV?
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I had far fewer problems with KazSport than I did with the octopus during the Aussies in the SD.
