JGP results/point standings

[Sylvia]

USFS posted some of the Bulgaria assignments yesterday (9/17):
http://www.usfigureskating.org/Athletes.asp?id=216
They are: Chrissy Hughes, Adam Rippon, Alexander Johnson (he was selected from the JGP alternate list and is 2007 U.S. novice silver medalist), Isabella Cannuscio/Ian Lorello (dance), with the 2nd lady and dance team TBD.

ETA: USFS updated the Bulgaria assignments on 9/20 and the 2nd lady is Melissa Bulanhagui (originally assigned to Romania) and 2nd dance team is Shannon Wingle/Ryan Devereaux (5th in Estonia).

 

[Sylvia]

Orignally posted in the Estonia JGP thread:

The ISU has published updated JGP standings with the results from Estonia added to the lists. In dance, Samuelson/Bates lead, Lenko/Islam are second, Crone/Poirier are third, and Chock/Zuerlien are fourth. This pretty much demonstrates what I mentioned in my previous post. I would love to see all four of these teams battle it out for medals in the final. In pairs, Khodkova/Slusarenko and first, Sheremetieva/Kusnetsov are second, Jones/Jackson are third, Velenosi/Fernandez are fourth and MacCuish Evans are fifth. In mens, it's Jinlin Guan, Chao Yang, Adam Rippon, and Brandon Morz in that order. In ladies, it's Mirai Nagasu, Rachel Flatt, Yuki Noshino, and Chrissy Hughes in that order. It will be interesting to see how these standings change with the next few events.

Repost of the JGP point standings links through the first 4 events with 4 to go:

Ladies: http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsladies.htm

Men: http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsmen.htm

Pairs: http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpspairs.htm

Dance: http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsdance.htm

For what it's worth, here are the top scoring skaters so far in each discipline. For those that have had two events, I listed the highest one. Placements in parenthesis.

Dance:
1. Samuelson & Bates (USA) - 171.84 ( 1 - USA; 1 - Vienna)*
2. Monko & Tkachenko (RUS) - 169.23 (2 - Vienna)
3. Crone & Poirier (CAN) -159.87 (1- Romania)
4. Riazanova & Guerreiro (RUS) - 151.93 (2 - Romania)
5. Chock & Zuerlin (USA) - 150.99 (1 - Estonia)
6. Agafonova & Dun (UKR) - 144.41 (2 - Estonia)
7. Pajardi & Caruso (ITA) - 143.45 (3 - Vienna)
8. Lenko & Islam (CAN) - 142.79 ( 2 - Lake Placid; 3 - Estonia)**
9. Monko & Khaliavin (RUS) - 141.33 (3 - Romania)
10. Vykhodtseva & Shumski (UKR) - 141.02 (4 - Vienna)

* This score is from Vienna
** This score is from Lake Placida

Ladies:
1. Mirai Nagasu (USA) - 159.14 (1- USA)
2. Rachael Flatt (USA) - 154.65 (1-Vienna)
3. Yuki Nishino (JPN) - 144.12 (1 - Estonia)
4. Kristine Musademba (USA) - 137.16 - (2 - Vienna)
5. Alexe Gilles (USA) - 132.67 (2 - USA)
6. Chrissy Hughes (USA) - 128.80 (1 - Romania)
7. Blake Rosenthal (USA) - 127.67 (2 - Estonia)
8. Alena Leonova (RUS) - 126.50 (2 - Romania)
9. Jenni Vähämaa (FIN) - 125.43 (3 - Vienna)
10. Svetlana Issakova (EST) - 124.28 (3 - Estonia)

Men:
1. Adam Rippon (USA) -185.94 - (1 - Romania)
2. Brandon Mroz (USA) - 185.33 - (1 - Vienna)
3. Jinlin Guan (CHN) - 184.81 - (1 - Estonia, 2 - Vienna)*
4. Artem Borodulin (RUS) - 175.48 (3 - Vienna)
5. Artur Gachinski (RUS) - 170.83 (2 - Estonia)
6. Chao Yang (CHN) - 166.60 (3 - Estonia, 5 - Vienna)*
7. Adrian Schultheiss (SWE) - 166.46 (4 - Vienna)
8. Ivan Bariev (RUS) - 166.92 (2 - Romania)
9. Armin Mahbanoozadeh (USA) - 165.58 (1 - USA)
10. Douglas Razzano (USA) - 157.55 (4 - Estonia)

* Scores are both from the Estonia GP

Adrian Schultheiss was really unfortunate - his score would have won Lake Placid and medaled at any other event. Luck of the draw, I guess. Same for Douglas Razzano, he could have medalled at either USA (silver) or Romania (bronze).

Pairs:
1. Sheremetieva & Kuznetsov (RUS) - 127.69 (1 - Estonia)
2. Velenosi & Fernandez (CAN) - 125.36 (2 - Estonia)
3. Zhang & Wang (CHN) - 123.77 (3 - Estonia)
4. Jones & Jackson (CAN) - 122.27 (1 - USA)
5. McCuish & Evans (CAN) - 119.40 (2 - USA)
6. Pflumm & Pottenger (USA) - 118.55 (4 - Estonia)
7. Khodkova & Sluisarenko (RUS) - 116.93 (3 - USA, 5 - Estonia)
8. Sergevja & Glebov (EST) - 116.84 (6 - Estonia)
9. Dong & Wu (CHN) - 116.61 (7 - Estonia)
10. Steele & Johnson (CAN) - 116.84 (8 - Estonia)

The events were incredibly unbalanced. Khodkova & Sliusarenko won bronze at Lake Placid, but the score I posted above is from Estonia. In fact, any of the couples who finished 4th to 8th in Estonia would have won bronze at Lake Placid.

Thanks for the run down, Oleada. Now can anyone tell me how many leading contestants are officially permitted in the GPF? I believe it is 8 but too lazy to look it up.

Yes, it's eight in each in discipline (with no limit on the number of skaters per country).

 

[Sllippery]

"Provisional" means the U.S. singles skaters still have to place in the top 4 in their first JGP in order to be guaranteed a second assignment (refer back to this post, esp. acraven's quoted part, on the previous page:
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=262628&postcount=13 )

Thanks!
I wonder when the rest of assignments will be disclosed.
Since there are so many capable US Ladies in this season, it may be hard to guarantee a second assignment for all the top 4 in the first JGP.

Is it possible to entry more than 2 US ladies to the same country?

 

[Kypma]

Thanks!
I wonder when the rest of assignments will be disclosed.
Since there are so many capable US Ladies in this season, it may be hard to guarantee a second assignment for all the top 4 in the first JGP.

Is it possible to entry more than 2 US ladies to the same country?

For the first assignment, there is a second rule which applies: The USFSA sais that, in orer to get a second assignment, the general rule is that a skater or couple must place top 4 in the first assignment, AND be in the top two for the country. However, I believe all three medallists from Lake Placid have received a second assignment, and I think a pair which finished 5th also got one (sorry, I forgot the name... Paetsch and Nuss, perhaps?).

As for the second question... if the number of entries determined by last year warrants having 3 skaters in one discipline in one of the events, why not?

Kypma

 

[chuckm]

Only the top 5 countries from the previous Junior Worlds get two skaters for each JGP event. For the ladies, the top 5 are the US, Finland, Japan, Estonia and Korea.

The next 5 countries get one skater for each JGP event (Italy, Russia, Spain, France and Puerto Rico). The next 5 countries, one skater for each of 7 events; the next 5, 6 events; the rest of the countries, 1 skater for each of 5 events.

If a federation cannot fill a spot for an event, the ISU offers it to the next federation on the list, in the order of placement at Junior Worlds. That is why you sometimes see two ladies from Italy at a JGP event.

http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=580

Only the host country is permitted to enter more than two skaters for a JGP event; the host may enter 3 ladies, men and dance teams.

For Pairs only, ALL countries may enter 3 for each JGP event, and the host country may enter an unlimited number of Pairs.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Although Richard Dornbush scored higher (155.22) with his 6th place finish in Vienna than Eliot Halverson's 5th place in Romania (146.30) and Tommy Steenberg's 6th place in Lake Placid (138.27), the ISU's first tiebreaker is placement, which is why, I assume, the USFS' International Committee has a "top 4" rule for their singles skaters.

Isn't that like saying that all scores from one competition are judged the same whether or not there are different Panels in other competitions?

Joe

 

[Sllippery]

Only the host country is permitted to enter more than two skaters for a JGP event; the host may enter 3 ladies, men and dance teams.

For Pairs only, ALL countries may enter 3 for each JGP event, and the host country may enter an unlimited number of Pairs.

Thanks for your clarification, chuckm!
Based on the JGP point standings links:
Ladies: http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsladies.htm
I suppose Angela MAXWELL and Juliana CANNAROZZO will be dispatched to JGP Great Britain.
Am I correct?

 

[Sylvia]

I suppose Angela MAXWELL and Juliana CANNAROZZO will be dispatched to JGP Great Britain.
Am I correct?

Kristine Musademba (silver in Vienna) and Juliana Cannarozzo are currently the provisional U.S. ladies for GBR as marked in the standings list.

The Ladies' point standings have been updated through Croatia (JGP #5 of 8): http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsladies.htm

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Kristine Musademba (silver in Vienna) and Juliana Cannarozzo are currently the provisional U.S. ladies for GBR as marked in the standings list.

The Ladies' point standings have been updated through Croatia (JGP #5 of 8): http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsladies.htm

I think we saw the one and only skate in Lake Placid for Maxwell. Too bad.

Joe

 

[Sylvia]

Half of the Men's JGPF is now decided:

Men:
Jinlin GUAN 28 points
Austin KANALLAKAN 28 points
Armin MAHBANOOZADEH 26 points
Ivan BARIEV 26 points

Ladies:
Mirai NAGASU 30 points
Jenni VAHAMAA 24 points - on the bubble, but has a good chance

Pairs: No Pair has clinched a spot as yet.

Ice Dance:
SAMUELSON / BATES 30 points
CRONE / POIRIER 30 points
LENKO / ISLAM 24 points - on the bubble. Could go either way.

I think 24 points (2nd & 3rd) will be enough to make the JGPF in dance. Ditto for Vahamaa in ladies (2nd & 3rd).

 

[skatingfan04]

I think 24 points (2nd & 3rd) will be enough to make the JGPF in dance. Ditto for Vahamaa in ladies (2nd & 3rd).

I hope you're right. It would be a shame if anyone who won 2 medals was denied a spot. This field is so tough, though, so I guess we wont know until its over.

 

[Sylvia]

Dance standings with 3 JGPs to go:
http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsdance.htm

Teams that have qualified for the Final:
30 points: Crone/Poirier CAN, Samuelson/Bates USA
24 points (most likely enough): Lenko/Islam CAN

Wait and see:
22 points: Monko/Khaliavin RUS

2nd JGP forthcoming:

BUL: Pajardi/Caruso ITA (11), Vykhodtseva/Shumski UKR (11), Cannuscio/Lorello USA (9), Wingle/Devereux USA (7), Guignard/Paulmier FRA (7), Pushkash/Kiselev RUS (5)

GER: Chock/Zuerlein USA (15), Gorshkova/Butikov RUS (13), Riazanova/Guerreiro RUS (13), Agafonova/Dun UKR (13), Bosley/Corona USA (11), Alessandrini/Vaturi ITA (5)

GBR: Monko/Tkachenko RUS (13), Frolenkova/Kasalo UKR (9), Mysliveckova/Novak CZE (9), Ralph/Hill CAN (9), Gilles/McKernan USA (7)

Scheduled for 2 JGPs:
Antipova/Kudashev RUS (BUL & GBR)
Coombs/Buckland GBR (GER & GBR)
Gavrylovych/Bernadowski POL (BUL & GER)
Mossun/De La Asuncion FRA (GER & GBR)
Rogers/Jones GBR (BUL & GBR)
Rouzet/Rumi FRA (BUL & GBR)
Tobias/Japaridze GEO (GER & GBR)

These dance assignments are as of 9/29/07 and could still change, of course.

Ladies' standings after 5 events: http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsladies.htm

Last year, Melissa Bulanhagui clinched the 8th and final ladies' spot in the Final with a 2nd and a 4th (what Alexe Gilles has now, so she'll have to wait out the next 3 events and hope for the best). A 2nd and a 4 place trumps two 3rds in the current tiebreaker system.

Men's standings after 5 events: http://www.isufs.org/events/jgp2007/jgpsmen.htm

 

[skatingfan04]

I wonder how the pairs qualifications will play out. I highly doubt that the Russian's 18 points will hold up here, but the second Russian team, that now has 15, only needs to medal at their next event to have a pretty good shot at the final. I wonder whivh teams out of Jones/Jackson(15), MacCuish/Evans(13), and Velenosi/Fernandez(13), will end up at the final. All three teams, at this point, have a decent shot, although the two teams with 13 will have to do very well at their second events.

In dance, Crone/Poirier and Samuelson/Bates can breath easy, while Lenko/Islam will have to wait it out here, even though their chances look pretty good with 24 points.

BTW, this is completely off topic, but does anyone know if Lenko/Islam will be skating seniors at the 2008 Canadian nationals, or if they'll try to win junior again.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

After 5 events, I find it difficult to name the 8 skaters (teams) for each event.

The magic number is undeterminable at this point for Ladies

The magic number for Mens seems to be 24 with several top guys at 26.

No magic number for Pairs yet but Canada seems to be heading to the Finals.

Too many possibilites for a magic number in Dance.

It's still a classic run to the wire.

Joe

 

[chuckm]

I'm going to take a stab at the probable contenders for the JGPF in the next 3 events.

JGP BUL
Total points, points, Returnees:
143.45, 11, Pajardi / Caruso (ITA)
141.02, 9, Vykhodtseva / Shumski (UKR)
136.27, 9, Cannuscio / Lorello (USA)
139.50, 7, Wingle / Devereaux (USA)
137.51, 5, Pushkash / Kiselev (RUS)

New Shooters who may be competitive:
Rouzet / Rumi (FRA) - scored 120+ in 2006 JGP, might be competitive with big improvement
Antipova / Kudashev (RUS) - scored 124+ in 2006 JGP, about the same as Pushkash / Kiselev, who increased their score by 15 points this year.

I see competition as pretty tight, especially if the 2nd Russian team gives a competitive performance.

But only the Italians, the Ukrainians and Americans C/L can clinch a spot in the JGPF. The Italians can definitely be in if they win gold, and scorewise, they seem to be in position to do it. The Ukrainians could be in if they win gold, and so I wouldn't be surprised to see these two in the medals. A silver for Italy could still put P/C in the final, but that would depend on the point totals downstream.

Even if they won, the Russians P/K and the Americans W/D couldn't make the JGPF, but they could act as spoilers and block any of the teams from making the final. For example, if P/K won and the Ukrainians placed 2nd, that would put the Italians in 3rd and likely out of luck.

So at best, two teams could be in position to possibly make the final (UKR and ITA with 24 points each), or one team could definitely make the final (ITA, with 26 points). Or it could also be possible that NO teams make the final in Bulgaria.

I am thinking that just one team will make the final with 26 points or 24 points (gold and 4th) leaving 5 spots to be filled.

JGP GER
Top competitors:
168.84, 13, Gorshkova / Butikov (RUS) will probably win gold and clinch a spot
151.93, 13, Riazanova / Guerreiro (RUS)
150.99, 15, Chock / Zuerlein (USA)
144.41, 13, Agafonova / Dun (UKR)

None of the new shooters look tough enough to be competition for the above.

G/B will almost certainly win gold and make the final with 28 points.

Silver and bronze will be fought for among the next 3 teams. Don't be misled by the point difference between the Ukrainians and the other two teams. Last season, the Ukrainians scored 134+ in their first event and 141+ in the second.

Chock/Zuerlein, though, need only win bronze to secure a place in the Final with 26 points. And even a 4th place could be good enough, since 24 points with gold and a 4th trumps 24 points with a silver and a bronze.

So I would expect at least 2 teams to definitely make the final (G/B and C/Z), and 3 teams are a real possibility (G/B, C/Z and R/G or A/D). Assuming 3 definite teams for the final, that would leave just 2 spots.

JGP GBR
Monko / Tkachenko with 13 points and 169+ total points is the only returning team with the ability to clinch a spot, and I'm sure they will win gold.

The other teams with points have only 9 points and so can't make the 24 mark. Unless Antipova / Kudashev earns a medal in Sofia, it's unlikely that any one else will be in a position to clinch a spot.

So I think these will be the 6 confirmed spots:
Samuelson/Bates 30
Crone/Poirier 30
Pajardi/Caruso 26 (if they win gold) or Vykhodtseva/Shumski 24 (if they win gold)
Gorshkova/Butikov 28
Riazanova/Gurreiro or Agafanova/Dun, 26
Chock/Zuerlein 26 or 24
Monko / Tkachenko 28

That would leave one spot to be filled with the team with silver and bronze and the highest point total.