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Mathman
Disclosing her music, the letters and giving a bunch of interviews (even to TV stations) was correct then?
You know, this is the the situation where everything gone wrong. On Yuna's side, possibly, as well.
Disclosing her music, the letters and giving a bunch of interviews (even to TV stations) was correct then?
You know, this is the the situation where everything gone wrong. On Yuna's side, possibly, as well.
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janetfan
Rumors are that she is going back to Korea. But nothing specific yet. I hope she'll stay in Canada and train somewhere else.
This was an extraordinary situation, though, because her mom was acting as her management as well, and yes, the management was completely inept. The only thing Orser did that I wouldn't have done was to reveal Yuna's music, if it's true she did NOT want it revealed yet.
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It is interesting.......... Orser's last comments suggested he would consider training Yuna again someday. But I think it is clear he has had enough of Ms Park. Brian may have been saying Yuna yes, Ms Park/ATS no.
But I think he has burned his bridges. Who knows if he meant too or was just too emotional. But I imagine after four years of Ms park he may have felt some satisfaction telling his side of the story. If not satisfaction then certainly relief.
But I think he has burned his bridges. Who knows if he meant too or was just too emotional. But I imagine after four years of Ms park he may have felt some satisfaction telling his side of the story. If not satisfaction then certainly relief.
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whatever her mother is acting, he could have said management in general, her management did me this and that,even if manager is her mum, she didnt fire him as Yuna mum but as her manager, he could have commented on the role not the person, it sounds different and looks personal, once you say her mother did this, any person on earth would start kicking in all directions no matter if their mother did well or not. You can fire your coach from being your coach but you cannot fire your mum for being your mum.
It is like the wife who accuses husband's mum, you can never be right in this.
Indeed. Especially in a traditional family (not just Asian), you never take a public stand against your parents. In this particular situation, where the mother has sacrificed so much for the child's career (I mean "child" in the sense of offspring, not in the sense of youngster)--where they've worked together so closely for this goal that they have almost become one organism--YuNa isn't going to take Brian's side against her mother's.
There are many things which aren't clear but this is one of the very clear thing.
Minjung will be back to Korea soon, next month.
http://www.seoul.co.kr/news/newsView.php?id=20100826028010
She had been training WITH Mr. Orser until about a week ago when she injured her back.
You know she is managed by ATS too? However she continued the coaching relationship unlike Yuna. Only when he said he was fired by Yuna's mom to the media, she also ended it, which I think says a lot.
The article says she will participate in the GP as her injury is not serious and predicts she will be coachless for a while. ATS is responsible for their clients, Minjung and Haejin so let's wait and see how the management will pan out.
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Yes, very true but as RD pointed out criticizing Yuna's agency is no different than criticizing Ms Park.
Even though so much of this seemed unnecessary Orser did have one goal and that was to go through this for better or worse before his skater's season begins.
I can't imagine Brian and Christina at a competition a few weeks from now and having this story making headlines. Talk about a bad situation.
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R.D.
Even if ATS, Yuna's mother and Yuna herself were so disrespectful to him, does this justify his actions? I understand that he was shocked, but it appears strange to me that he was shocked even after 3 weeks from when he was fired, according to him. It's more than enough time to decide what to do. Let's remember that we can't say that he was used in any way by Yuna. Yuna did very much for him. She he made him a coach, she made him gain some money (not big, let's say), she made him happy and made his fame explode in Korea and even in his home country he returned to be a really big figure, comparable to what he was when he was a skater. He returned to Olympics and won them.
So after all this it is still fair to persuade Yuna publicly like this? If she did something else to him, like insulted him face to face, maybe yes, but apparently she didn't do so...
I don't want to appear as only going to Yuna's side. I'm her fan, but I'm really interested in opinion of other people. As I know, you are not her fan, so I'm really interested in your opinion considering all of the above.
janetfan
Well, let's think about it. Let's assume that everything that Brian says is true (remember, that we have 4 possibilities - they both don't tell truth, one of them tells truth (Yuna or Brian) and all of them tell truth (translation sucked so much)).
Even if ATS, Yuna's mother and Yuna herself were so disrespectful to him, does this justify his actions? I understand that he was shocked, but it appears strange to me that he was shocked even after 3 weeks from when he was fired, according to him. It's more than enough time to decide what to do. Let's remember that we can't say that he was used in any way by Yuna. Yuna did very much for him. She he made him a coach, she made him gain some money (not big, let's say), she made him happy and made his fame explode in Korea and even in his home country he returned to be a really big figure, comparable to what he was when he was a skater. He returned to Olympics and won them.
So after all this it is still fair to persuade Yuna publicly like this? If she did something else to him, like insulted him face to face, maybe yes, but apparently she didn't do so...
I don't want to appear as only going to Yuna's side. I'm her fan, but I'm really interested in opinion of other people. As I know, you are not her fan, so I'm really interested in your opinion considering all of the above.
janetfan
To me it appeared that he always suggested this. As I said before, I think he thought she's gonna try to apologize after hearing all his laments in the press. That would explain his persistence.
Yeah, I think Brian must have felt that he had to say something. As you say, Janetfan, a bad situation all around--one of those times where you can't get it right no matter what. The one thing I know for sure in all of this is that there are two people on this planet whose places I wouldn't want to take right now for any amount of money.
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I am really curious as to why Yuna's mom and Management team had to be in this meeting with Brian. If you think about it Yuna is paying him, Yuna is paying her management and with that I am sure her mother is getting a nice cut. I think if Yuna wanted the training relationship to end she should have sat down with him herself, no management, no mother. I don't think it would have been this bad if that had been done and then release a press statement. I understand she wants the opinion of her mother or management team but ultimately she needs to take care of buisness like this herself.
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sunny0760
Thank you! I knew that there were articles going on, but I wasn't sure about if it's definitive or not.
Yes, I know, of course. It was Yuna who helped her with this, btw... I mean to train under Brian.
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Judging by Brian's reaction - that's what he wanted, too. What he's basically said is: "You wanted me off the team? I wanna hear it from YOUR lips." Whether it was the 'cowards' way out or the 'obedient child who let mama call the shots' Brian doesn't seem to care, he just wants to know Yuna's truly on board. And I think, if she is, that he'd be hurt even more just to know she's lost faith in him or decided she's outgrown him or whatever reason truly caused this split. No way do I think this is because of the rumors IMG was talking him into coaching Mao. That rumor was ridiculous.
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Makes good sense Toni. Especially using the Mao rumors which imo did not make ATS look very good.
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I agree. It would even make sense for Mao to want to train with him anyway while he's training Yuna. I don't think it would hurt Yuna's management team to take a course or two in Buisness Relations ie let your boss(Yuna) handle hires and fires.
It is interesting.......... Orser's last comments suggested he would consider training Yuna again someday. But I think it is clear he has had enough of Ms Park. Brian may have been saying Yuna yes, Ms Park/ATS no.
But I think he has burned his bridges. Who knows if he meant too or was just too emotional. But I imagine after four years of Ms park he may have felt some satisfaction telling his side of the story. If not satisfaction then certainly relief.
That's what I'm thinking too. I'm thinking if Brian hadn't gone so public with everything (gone public but left out the stuff about her management/mother) that maybe things could have been saved. Maybe Yu-na really didn't want to leave him, and would have eventually been able to convince her mom to back off.
But by publically handling things the way Brian handled them, he made it impossible for that relationship to ever come back. At that point the girl was going to stand with her mother, no matter how she felt about Brian as a coach. It may very much be that she feels a bit betrayed by Brian, for Brian having to put her in that situation.
I'm sure getting the story out about Mrs Park might have made Brian feel better. But here's the thing, he's going to find out the more he gets into coaching that there are a ton of Mrs. Parks.
I think that Brian could have gotten a way with a lot of the things he said. But I think where he went to far was when he told the media, Yu-na doesn't understand, Yu-na is confused etc. He went to far there, and that was what really portrayed the mother, yes the mother in an extremely bad light. The picture in everyone's head was the mother forcing the daughter to dump the beloved coach.
I'm sorry Janetfan, but it wasn't necessary on Brian's part to do this. And its very possible that if he hadn't Yu-na wouldn't have written that letter or said the guy lied. That's something Brian could and should take a little responsibility for. Maybe he thought by doing this he'd help Yu-na in the long running because maybe with the next coach Mama would back off who knows.
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Well, arrangements like this often blow up eventually.
Every child needs a parent. Every child star needs a management team. What nobody needs is a manager who is also his/her parent.
Yu-na is now without options except to tough it out as best she can. She does not have the option of sitting down with her management team and saying, "look, guys, you dropped the ball on this one and damaged my reputation in the process. You're fired."
Every child needs a parent. Every child star needs a management team. What nobody needs is a manager who is also his/her parent.
Yu-na is now without options except to tough it out as best she can. She does not have the option of sitting down with her management team and saying, "look, guys, you dropped the ball on this one and damaged my reputation in the process. You're fired."
Nobody seems to defend Ms Park and ATS here.
Well, only if Yuna's first management, IMG Korea had been better for her.:disapp:
Anyway, regardless of the management, Ms Park is a BIG part of what Yuna is now, what she has accomplished so far. We don't know what Yuna/Ms Park/Mr Orser relationship has been truly like for the past 4 yrs. But I think they were a real 'dream team' before the olys regardless of a few possible disagreements. The relationship changed for whatever reasons after the olys, maybe since May.
I think their relationship was not that simple. For example, sometimes, Yuna seems to have been more obedient to Mr Orser than to her mom.
According to some article, Yuna didn't want to go to worlds in March until a week earlier. She was very hesitant and she would not listen to what Ms Park was saying, "Go to the worlds." But she listened to what Mr Orser said and finally participated in the competition. This is what Ms Park said to an acquaintance in March and was reported a few days ago.
One more thing. I don't agree with the way Yuna wrote in the twitter. However, as for calling a liar, you should understand the language problemss about lying between in Korean and in English.
I think she meant she wanted him to stop telling the things which were not completely true. In the letter she wrote in Korean, she did not use the word, lie. She just indirectly said 'the things which are not facts/truthful'.
I, myself, don't believe Mr Orser told a lie this time, at least a big lie. The problem is what is half told, unclear and somewhat personal that we will never know. It is possible that the small misunderstandings, disagreements and miscommunication lead this kind of disparagement.
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sunny0760
And that's given that no one really knows any real fact about what really happened.
bekalc
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And that's given that no one really knows any real fact about what really happened.
I don't believe this... She promised to go to Worlds and I don't think she would decline to go only a week before the competition. But I agree that she is not obedient to Ms Park as some people tend to think without any reason.
bekalc
I 100% agree.
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