Kim's representatives end Orser's coaching relationship threads merged

[janetfan]

What risk? Look Brian may not like the way Mrs Park dumped him, but I don't think he's a victim here for having coached Yu-na. Please don't get me wrong, he was talented as a coach and would have been successful anyways. But he absolutely wouldn't be a top coach in four years time. It would have taken him longer, working with Yu-na put him on the map as a coach extremely fast. Whether working with Yu-na was a pleasant experience or not, his career has benefited from working with her, and will continue to benefit from working with her. Same goes I suspect for a lot of the other Korean coaches who can say they worked with Yu-na in the past.

In fact with Brian and the last coach, the coaches were upset because they lost their star student before they wanted to lose the student. And not because said student was impossible to work with. Maybe said star student will leave before the coach is ready, but as long as the coaches go into it with the understanding that this is how Mrs. Park plays, I think they will be okay. In the end at least Brian wasn't dumped a few months before the Olympics. (Poor Frank Carroll)

Same goes with IB Sports and IMG. Mama Kim may be hard to deal with but everyone made money with Yu-na and/or IMG realized they COULD have made money with Yu-na. They are all upset, Brian, former coaches, Agencies, because Mama Kim took away the goose that laid the golden egg.

Didn't Yuna once express a hope to return to Korea and make up for lost time with her father, sister and friends?
I thought after Yuna won the OGM she would understandably need some time to consider her future.

I also thought her mother might have similar feelings.....but it appears she is more interested in continuing to micro manage every aspect of Yuna's career and life. What about her other daughter not to mention her husband?

Feels a tad bit cold to me but it is none of my business if Ms Park feels that Yuna is still her #1 priority and the husband and other daughter can go live their own lives.

At this point the sister may accept her mother's actions. Was the sister even in Vancouver to see Yuna skate? I saw that Yuna's father was there which seemed very nice and he must have been very proud of Yuna.

I don't think it is one-sided to wonder about this breakup - to note a common thread and to wonder about the future of a family that sacrificed so much so Yuna and Ms Park could pursue their dream together.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

Didn't Yuna once express a hope to return to Korea and make up for lost time with her father, sister and friends?
I thought after Yuna won the OGM she would understandably need some time to consider her future.

I also thought her mother might have similar feelings.....but it appears she is more interested in continuing to micro manage every aspect of Yuna's career and life. What about her other daughter not to mention her husband?

Feels a tad bit cold to me but it is none of my business if Ms Park feels that Yuna is still her #1 priority and the husband and other daughter can go live their own lives.

At this point the sister may accept her mother's actions. Was the sister even in Vancouver to see Yuna skate? I saw that Yuna's father was there which seemed very nice and he must have been very proud of Yuna.

I don't think it is one-sided to wonder about this breakup - to note a common thread and to wonder about the future of a family that sacrificed so much so Yuna and Ms Park could pursue their dream together.

Nobody was more successful in skating field...in financial term...than Yuna...you know what?

Everything is alright with everybody in the family.
If they miss each other...they can fly...to see the loved one.

 

[bekalc]

Didn't Yuna once express a hope to return to Korea and make up for lost time with her father, sister and friends?
I thought after Yuna won the OGM she would understandably need some time to consider her future.

I also thought her mother might have similar feelings.....but it appears she is more interested in continuing to micro manage every aspect of Yuna's career and life. What about her other daughter not to mention her husband?

Feels a tad bit cold to me but it is none of my business if Ms Park feels that Yuna is still her #1 priority and the husband and other daughter can go live their own lives.

At this point the sister may accept her mother's actions. Was the sister even in Vancouver to see Yuna skate? I saw that Yuna's father was there which seemed very nice and he must have been very proud of Yuna.

I don't think it is one-sided to wonder about this breakup - to note a common thread and to wonder about the future of a family that sacrificed so much so Yuna and Ms Park could pursue their dream together.

From what I understand Yu-na is very protective of her sister, and not putting her sister in the spotlight. Her sister is now a nurse/nursing student and is perhaps quite busy with her own life. Her father also has his own business. I definetly agree though that its weird that Mama Kim isn't spending more time with her husband now that Yu-na is essentially an adult. I got the impression that Yu-na's father wanted Yu-na to retire so that his family could be back together, but that he would leave it up to Yu-na.

From what I gather the understanding was that Yu-na's mom would devote everything to Yu-na while Yu-na's father would devote everything to the other daughter.

 

[Daniel5555]

Yuna also expressed a wish not to stay in Korea, because it's hard for her to live normally there. So I don't see anything wrong with her staying in Canada.

 

[Basics]

Yuna also expressed a wish not to stay in Korea, because it's hard for her to live normally there. So I don't see anything wrong with her staying in Canada.

I'm sure if there was an ideal rink for her, she definitely could've considered returning home. No ideal facility for her is the main problem. I'm sure she will be happy living with her family, relatives, and friends even though some fans sure will go crazy after her. Mao trains in Japan, why not Yuna?

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

Yuna also expressed a wish not to stay in Korea, because it's hard for her to live normally there. So I don't see anything wrong with her staying in Canada.

Como esta usted? Mi Amigo...y...como se llama usted? ... Is it Daniel?
you don't have to answer my 2nd question.

 

[seniorita]

I feel sorry for a 19 year old to be dragged in all boards and media around the world now, even if she made mistakes, we all did at 19 or even later, with friends, parents , job etc..and we didnt have to explain it to a million people, it is a pity to ask her to be a comme if faut person at this age, who was from here?

 

[janetfan]

From what I understand Yu-na is very protective of her sister, and not putting her sister in the spotlight. Her sister is now a nurse/nursing student and is perhaps quite busy with her own life. Her father also has his own business. I definetly agree though that its weird that Mama Kim isn't spending more time with her husband now that Yu-na is essentially an adult. I got the impression that Yu-na's father wanted Yu-na to retire so that his family could be back together, but that he would leave it up to Yu-na.

From what I gather the understanding was that Yu-na's mom would devote everything to Yu-na while Yu-na's father would devote everything to the other daughter.

Was that an understanding that made Yuna's sister happy? Knowing her mother decided Yuna was too important to bother with raising her other daughter?

Didn't Yuna's sister want to be a singer? How do you think she feels to see that Yuna is now singing publicly. The sister's dream was not only denied so Yuna could have all the family resources - now the sister sees Yuna not only skating but also performing as a singer. That seems ironic at best and insensitive at some level. Everything for Yuna and nothing for the sister.

Is that a Confucian thing or a Ms Park thing?

 

[Basics]

I feel sorry for a 19 year old to be dragged in all boards and media around the world now, even if she made mistakes, we all did at 19 or even later, with friends, parents , job etc..and we didnt have to explain it to a million people, it is a pity to ask her to be a comme if faut person at this age, who was from here?

Don't worry. This is only a minority dissing her and her camp. There are more supporting them.

 

[bekalc]

Was that an understanding that made Yuna's sister happy? Knowing her mother decided Yuna was too important to bother with raising her other daughter?

Didn't Yuna's sister want to be a singer? How do you think she feels to see that Yuna is now singing publicly. The sister's dream was not only denied so Yuna could have all the family resources - now the sister sees Yuna not only skating but also performing as a singer. That seems ironic at best and insensitive at some level. Everything for Yuna and nothing for the sister.

Is that a Confucian thing or a Ms Park thing?

From what I understand in her book Ms. Park said herself that when she heard Aera sing, she felt instant regret and she offered to make appointments for Aera at different music agencies, so that Aera could pursue a music career if she wanted one. It was Aera who said she didn't want to pursue music anymore. Now its possible Aera did that out of anger or whatever, but I'd think if music was ever what Aera truly still wanted, she'd have jumped at the chance.

The fact that Mrs. Park mentioned that Aera had a way better voice than Yu-nas, was perhaps a way of her putting something out there in case Aera ever wanted to pursue music...And Yu-na has said that while she may sing for fun at shows and stuff that she'll never pursue music as a career, I suspect that maybe for her sis. I get the feeling that before it was way more about finances issues (and also some concern about music as a career) and not about Mrs. Park not loving Aera. Do you really think this is a woman that wouldn't love having TWO daughters as a star? And surely you realize how easy it would be for Team Kim to get Aera exposure as a singer, if that's what Aera wanted.

 

[janetfan]

From what I understand in her book Ms. Park said herself that when she heard Aera sing, she felt instant regret and she offered to make appointments for Aera at different music agencies, so that Aera could pursue a music career if she wanted one. It was Aera who said she didn't want to pursue music anymore. Now its possible Aera did that out of anger or whatever, but I'd think if music was ever what Aera truly still wanted, she'd have jumped at the chance.

The fact that Mrs. Park mentioned that Aera had a way better voice than Yu-nas, was perhaps a way of her putting something out there in case Aera ever wanted to pursue music...And Yu-na has said that while she may sing for fun at shows and stuff that she'll never pursue music as a career, I suspect that maybe for her sis. I get the feeling that before it was way more about finances issues (and also some concern about music as a career) and not about Mrs. Park not loving Aera. Do you really think this is a woman that wouldn't love having TWO daughters as a star?[/B] And surely you realize how easy it would be for Team Kim to get Aera exposure as a singer, if that's what Aera wanted.

All good points especially the highlighted part

 

[bekalc]

All good points especially the highlighted part

Yep if anything don't you think Janet that Aera may look at the what is very likely H*ll Mrs Park put Yu-na through and thank God every day that her mother didn't "choose her" Who knows maybe Mama wants Aera to pursue music and this is Aera's way of getting back. :lol:

 

[janetfan]

Yep if anything don't you think Janet that Aera may look at the what is very likely H*ll Mrs Park put Yu-na through and thank God every day that her mother didn't "choose her" Who knows maybe Mama wants Aera to pursue music and this is Aera's way of getting back. :lol:

I have always enjoyed Yuna's wonderful skating as well as the way she handled herself off the ice. I still do and hope Yuna continues to skate if it brings her pleasure and fulfillment.

I don't care whether Yuna competes or skates in shows or both as long as it is what she wants. I seriously think she needs top level professional management who can maximize her efforts rather than hindering them.

 

[Olympia]

There are several reasons I know I can't understand the motivations of anyone in the Kim family. One is that I don't understand family dynamics in traditional families (not just Asian, I hasten to add). In Canada and the States, kids are encouraged to find independence from their families early, and rebellion is understood as a natural and even praiseworthy process. Our way of doing things is unsettling and even alien to a large part of the world, and it would do us well to remember that. Two generations back in my own family (from Eastern Europe), someone found her husband through a matchmaker--in this country, might I add. The girls in that generation lived at home until they married--some into their thirties. So the path YuNa, her sister, and her parents figured out among themselves is not something I can competently make any statements about. Maybe this lady is a voracious stage mother as Pat Lipinski was said to be, or maybe she's just a traditional mother with an unusually strong personality. I have no way of knowing.

The other factor is even more rarefied. What YuNa and her family achieved is not even like the achievements of most other skating families. The kid is the most famous person in any field in Korea--and a Korean is currently the U.N. Secretary General. Who know what kind of bubble she lives in? Who knows what kind of pressure she feels every day of her life? Who knows how many clues she misses about the actions of the people around her? Who knows how many clues they miss about her actions?

And then there's the language and culture barrier. An Asian poster on another forum pointed it out with an effective metaphor: in the West, we put the personal name first and the family name second: Brian Orser. In Asia, the family name comes first and the personal name second: Kim YuNa, Asada Mao. In the West, we put the date first and the year last. In Asia, the opposite. Lots of things are opposite in East and West. It makes many actions and reactions between the two spheres hard to understand.

This is why I can't side against either her or Brian. (And why I can side with both of them without contradiction.) There were certainly mistakes from both camps--golly, how much messier could this breakup have been? But both sides have done each other great good through these past years. As several of you point out, Brian may have helped make YuNa a champion, but YuNa equally made Brian a premier coach. How many decades did Frank Carroll have to wait for a gold medal winner from his students? Didn't he start coaching when the plane crashed in 1961, killing his own mentor Maribel Vinson Owen?

So when the dust settles, I hope both sides can remember how greatly valuable and fruitful their relationship was. And I hope we remember it, also. What good skating they gave us, out of the depths of their hearts.

 

[ilfs]

Mathman, I'm with you.

Yuna sure ain't a classy lady, and neither is she a poor innocent girl in need of protection. Actually, she's something far more interesting than that. She's one tough broad, the toughest they come.

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Not sure if I agree with this. I don't believe u meant in a physical way she is tough broad(tonya harding), but mentally. Why would classy and tough be mutually exclusive ?

 

[Daniel5555]

GoPC2018

I'm sure if there was an ideal rink for her, she definitely could've considered returning home. No ideal facility for her is the main problem. I'm sure she will be happy living with her family, relatives, and friends even though some fans sure will go crazy after her. Mao trains in Japan, why not Yuna?

Mao is a bit happier in that sense, I guess. I think, she can at least walk on the streets without attracting crowds of people. It's not the same in Korea for Yuna.

SkatingAnalyst

Como esta usted? Mi Amigo...y...como se llama usted? ... Is it Daniel?

I'm fine. Obviously, my name is Daniel It would be bizarre to pick a name as a nickname if it's not my name.

GoPC2018

Don't worry. This is only a minority dissing her and her camp. There are more supporting them.

I agree. I think there are much more who try to support both Brian and Yuna instead of attacking them. There are well-known exceptions, but it goes in line with their usual acting.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Yuna ain't a classy lady?

What in the world...

Yeah she's tough because the LONG term gruel to an OGM shows that.
She's not classy because of a twitter? Her breakup with Orser?

I hardly think one mistake even from an adult would define a person. We must all be classless then. This is a 19 year old. After a season of pressure. Stuck between her mother and coach.

I say given her behavior until date, she seemed very classy. Its not like she bashed someone's knee with a bat. And I'll stick with that assessment until proven otherwise.

 

[sigrid]

Sorry, I've not checked the 73 previous pages of this thread, but if someone was worried by the training environment in Toronto, Adam Rippon has spoken:

Rippon (along with Junior Grand Prix competitor Christina Gao) trains under Brian Orser at the Toronto Cricket Club, and the Orser-Yu-Na Kim saga playing out in the media hasn't impacted their daily work.

"We've known about the situation longer than the general public, and we've had time to deal with it," he said. "It hasn't affected Brian's coaching, and it certainly hasn't affected my training. I'm just focused on practicing and doing my best every day.

"I hope everyone comes away better than before. I really wish Yu-Na the best; it's been fantastic training with her."

Source: Icenetwork (if I write the link the post disappears hahaha, I'm sorry)

 

[miki88]

Mao is a bit happier in that sense, I guess. I think, she can at least walk on the streets without attracting crowds of people. It's not the same in Korea for Yuna.

Are you kidding? Mao is just as much known in Japan as Yuna is in Korea. Mao is probably happier because she is able to live in her hometown and be close to her family and friends.

 

[Daniel5555]

miki88
Oh, well, if it's the same for her, I'm sorry.
I wasn't sure about this, but I thought, that she has more freedom than Yuna.

Of course, she is known as much as Yuna in Korea.