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skatinginbc said:
LOGICAL ANALYSIS....Yuna Kim's stance.

1. I am the queen, and how hurtful it is to hear that he is flattered by another women.
2. He should have known that I was not happy when I just skated off in practice and did not return his emails.
3. And what hurt me more is that, instead of comforting and pampering me, he gave me more distance when I gave him those "aloof" signals to show my displeasure.
4. I thought if I left the coach position empty, he would know something definately wrong about our relation and thus make every attempt to comfort my feelings. NO, he dumped me!!! WAAAH!!!!
5. So I wrote on the twitter that "I know exactly what’s going on now." The key word is NOW. I didn't truly know his heart, but NOW I know he could dump me so easily.


Really...Nothing wrong.....
She is 100% right, in her own mind.
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I agree with you somewhat. But isn't it Orser who could be more considerate if she loves Yuna.
Unfortunately...He doesn't have the capacity. Split was inevitable.
 
Give me a break! Orser doesn't have the capacity to give her more love? :rolleye: Lol. He's not her father who is expected to give her unconditional love. They had a teacher-student relationship and even in the closest of those bonds, there are conditions to be maintained. When those conditions are broken, your teacher or coach will naturally not be as forgiving as your parent.
 
SkatingAnalyst said:
I agree with you somewhat. But isn't it Orser who could be more considerate if she loves Yuna.
Unfortunately...He doesn't have the capacity. Split was inevitable.
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First, thanks for your response. I am really surprised that somebody would even agree with me to any degree. David appears more sensitive to others' emotions, so he naturally has better relation with Yuna. There are some men (whether be gay or straight) simply so dumb at women's emotions that you sometimes would love to just hit them in the head and say, "wake up".
 
skatinginbc said:
First, thanks for your response. I am really surprised that somebody would even agree with me to any degree. David appears more sensitive to others' emotions, so he naturally has better relation with Yuna. There are some men (whether be gay or straight) simply so dumb at women's emotions that you sometimes would love to just hit them in the head and say, "wake up".
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Your post made sense...so you don't have to thank my response.
I don't like orser's stance...because I have almost same personality like his.
I tried to fix mine all my life...but I couldn't.
 
yunaddiction said:
A very simply fact....Orser is a lier.
And he is the one who publicly speaked on the split at the day when the ticketing for Yuna's show in LA started.
Now I understand why Yuna's side had to fire him.
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Because Yuna's side predicted that he would speak publicly about the split on the eves of ticket sale?
Because they predicted that his TV interview would sound somewhat inconsistent (though being offered and being approached are two different things) with his prior claims?
 
skatinginbc said:
Because Yuna's side predicted that he would speak publicly about the split on the eves of ticket sale?
Because they predicted that his TV interview would sound somewhat inconsistent (though being offered and being approached are two different things) with his prior claims?
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Because Yuna's side might feel something was going wrong with Orser and he prove it by his own lying and the timely open-up on their split. It is intentional.
Changing a coach is nothing special in the skating world.
All the disturbance was started by Orser (or IMG), a liar using media.
 
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yunaddiction said:
Changing a coach is nothing special in the skating world.
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So would that mean that everything we read and heard and saw the last four years - about the special relationship and how Yuna and Brian were perfect together, umm, what did Yuna's fans call it - the "Dream Team."

Are you saying this was also all lies and only done to promote Yuna's career?
That a coach is just a coach - and nothing more?
 
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yunaddiction said:
Because Yuna's side felt something was going wrong with Orser and he prove it by his lying and the timely open-up on their split. It is intentional.
Actually changing a coach is nothing special in the skating world.
We have to understand all the disturbance was started by Orser (or IMG), a liar using media.
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Idiom of the day: A liar uses media; a crier uses twitter; and the brier of their prior relation is all Brian the Liar's fault. Now, are you happy?
 
janetfan said:
So would that mean that everything we read and heard and saw the last four years - about the special relationship and how Yuna and Brian were perfect together, umm, what did Yuna's fans call it - the "Dream Team."

Are you saying this was also all lies and only done to promote Yuna's career?
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We don't know what was going on after olympic between the two sides.
And Orser started his attack to Yuna first by using media. Do you agree?

Now the only proven fact is that Orser told a lie and I don't believe him anymore. anything what he said.
 
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yunaddiction said:
We don't know what was going on after olympic between the two sides. The fact is that Orser told a lie and I don't believe him anymore.
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I believe your first sentence - that we don't know what was going on.
If that is true I don't see how you are so sure about your second sentence.
A contradiction, no?
 
janetfan said:
I believe your first sentence - that we don't know what was going on.
If that is true I don't see how you are so sure about your second sentence.
A contradiction, no?
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I think the poster's name says it all--some blind adoration going on there....
 
yunaddiction said:
We don't know what was going on after olympic between the two sides.
And Orser started his attack to Yuna first by using media. Do you agree?

Now the only proven fact is that Orser told a lie and I don't believe him anymore. anything what he said.
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I do not agree and I think when Brian first announced the split (that for some reason ATS was not willing to do???) Brian's grievances seemed to be with Ms park and ATS.

I still don't think Brian has come out and attacked Yuna - but would agree some of his actions may have been hurtful to Yuna. Apparently Yuna and her mom/agency have taken a hit and they don't like it or know how to deal with it.

What seems to be a fact is that ATS has failed Yuna.

But we all know Brian has been fired and his first priority is to his skaters Adam and Christina who must be having a terrible time trying to prepare for this season. Min-Jung may not even have a season :confused:

Brian is no longer responsible for protecting and training Yuna. Did ATS and Yuna herself fail to realize that? Talk about living in a bubble :sheesh:
 
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janetfan said:
Do we need clarification? Yuna called Brian a liar both in her tweet and in the letter to her fans. I would say publicly calling him a liar twice without saying why would be considered disrespectful regardless of your cultural background.

I agree with RD - ex: the way Michelle handled it with her little story about "taking responsibilty for my own skating" was enough to keep the the US press satisfied.

Yuna has told us Brian is lying but refuses to show any proof. I think in a way it is better she doesn't but the lack of reasons from ATS and Yuna does not make a good case. Many are left feeling Orser was disrespected and treated poorly.
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I do think we need clarification here that Yuna called Brian a "liar"

First of all, calling one person a liar is an attack on his character.

ex) B is a liar, he always tells untruthful things.

"Stop telling a lie," on the contrary, simply means there was an untruthful statement made by the other side.

ex) B is telling a lie to the public that I was a mere bystander in ending our coaching relationship. Please stop. I knew what was going on, and it was my decision to end the relationship.

After reading your post, janetfan, I went back and read the original ver. of Yuna’s statements.

Yuna both wrote in her twitter and Cyworld.
The first half of her twitter comments were "Please stop telling a lie, B." The other half explained the lie. Unlike Brian’s comments, Yuna knew about the split, and it was her decision.

Secondly, I also read Yuna’s statements in her Cyworld diary to check if she used any word close to a “liar.”

Here, Yuna elaborated what were the untruthful comments from her former coach Brian.

1) that Brian saying Yuna did not know about the split

Yuna says she was fully aware of it and Brian also knew that she knew

2) Brian saying this was her mother's decision, and Yuna was a mere bystander

Yuna says as a skater, she makes the final call on matters regarding her skating career.

3) Brian saying her mom was disrespectful in ending the coaching relationship

Yuna was very clear on this point that her team acted respectfully toward Brian. They ended the coaching relationship with Brian in a reasonable manner. Nothing was out of ordinary in their manner.

I read both of her statements and also most of the interviews from Brian. It seems to me this is a typical “he says, she says,” situation. Fascinating! :biggrin:However, as a third party and an outsider of their dispute, I think it would be wise to refrain from making any judgment as to which side was a “liar,” who was acting disrespectfully, etc.

By the way, please can anybody tell me what other comments Brian made on the email where he wrote he got an offer from Mao, or was it true? I only read the Korea herald article where Brian said Mariko Wada of IMG Japan approached him several times. Does anybody have additional information? The mystery is just eating me up!:confused:
 
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