Kim's representatives end Orser's coaching relationship threads merged

[chloepoco]

Well...I don't underestimate the influence of IMG. IMG is notorious here in Korea. When Yuna moved to IB, IMG sued her and was defeated.
I do not think Yuna or Min-jung felt comfortable with training with 7(I heard) Japanese junior skaters in the same ice link. There are visitors from the federation and the press..., I donot think that is the matter of emotional security.

So the Cricket Club should have put up a sign saying "No Japanese Allowed"?

 

[skatinginbc]

You do not agree what? A fact that he was lying?
In front of the clear evidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xdLQJ6lrX4&feature=player_embedded

A fact? Clear evidence?


If you read the posting just right above yours, samsarah said "I think it would be wise to refrain from making any judgment as to which side was a “liar.”" So, apparently, it is not CLEAR enough for Samsarah, me and many other posters here to conclude that he or she lied. If you continue to insist that it is clear that Brian was lying. The only thing clear to me is that you are clearly lying to yourself.

 

[samsarah]

You do not agree what? A fact that he was lying?
In front of the clear evidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xdLQJ6lrX4&feature=player_embedded

I think what janetfan disagreed is that Brian is a liar. I do agree with him or her.
However, that youtube clip is fasciniating to watch, I must say that Brian during the past few days did make some inconsistent statements to the media.

ex) he got offer from Mao and her agent v. there was absolutely no offer (maybe he was considering, contemplating which athelete to coach? or maybe both? lol)
Yuna ignored his email (he gave the unchecked email as evidence of Yuna's disrespectful behavrio on national TV ) v. Yuna sent him a reply and he checked it (also on the national tv, courtesy from Mr. Brian)

As much as I admire Brian, I think he is emotionally unstable at the moment. He reminds me more and more of a lover scorned rather than a professional coach leaving his student. Maybe Yuna did straighten him up as we speculated lol

 

[janetfan]

I do think we need clarification here that Yuna called Brian a "liar"

First of all, calling one person a liar is an attack on his character.

ex) B is a liar, he always tells untruthful things.

"Stop telling a lie," on the contrary, simply means there was an untruthful statement made by the other side.

ex) B is telling a lie to the public that I was a mere bystander in ending our coaching relationship. Please stop. I knew what was going on, and it was my decision to end the relationship.

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Thanks for your thoughts on this. I have no problem agreeing but it is mostly a matter of semantics.

The tweet was not a good idea - if not a downright embarrassment - and the fact that it was removed so quickly seems to point in that direction. But it might have contributed to the escalation of this soap opera and that is why I have to shake my head and wonder about ATS because none of this was necessary if handled properly and professionally.

If the tweet was as it appears to be - an emotional outburst from Yuna - for me it is understandable and forgiveable. As the saying goes Yuna "was stuck between a rock and a hard place."

I really feel bad for Brian and Yuna, David Wilson, Tracy Wilson, all of her fans and even Ms Choi. Well maybe not Ms Choi

 

[yunaddiction]

I think what janetfan disagreed is that Brian is a liar. I do agree with him or her.
However, that youtube clip is fasciniating to watch, I must say that Brian during the past few days did make some inconsistent statements to the media.

ex) he got offer from Mao and her agent v. there was absolutely no offer (maybe he was considering, contemplating which athelete to coach? or maybe both? lol)
Yuna ignored his email (he gave the unchecked email as evidence of Yuna's disrespectful behavrio on national TV ) v. Yuna sent him a reply and he checked it (also on the national tv, courtesy from Mr. Brian)

As much as I admire Brian, I think he is emotionally unstable at the moment. He reminds me more and more of a lover scorned rather than a professional coach leaving his student. Maybe Yuna did straighten him up as we speculated lol

Thanks samsarah,
If you agree Brian's inconsistancy, I hope you also can understand how yuna felt in front of his inconsistancy during couple of months after olympic.
I support her firing him.

And he should not open Yuna's new LP. He has no right at all.

 

[SerpentineSteps]

A fact? Clear evidence?


If you read the posting just right above yours, samsarah said "I think it would be wise to refrain from making any judgment as to which side was a “liar.”" So, apparently, it is not CLEAR enough for Samsarah, me and many other posters here to conclude that he or she lied. If you continue to insist that it is clear that Brian was lying. The only thing clear to me is that you are clearly lying to yourself.

Note to future GS members: If you want an ounce of credibility in discussions moving forward, don't call yourself [skater_name]addiction. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

 

[skatinginbc]

I think what janetfan disagreed is that Brian is a liar. I do agree with him or her.
However, that youtube clip is fasciniating to watch, I must say that Brian during the past few days did make some inconsistent statements to the media.

ex) he got offer from Mao and her agent v. there was absolutely no offer (maybe he was considering, contemplating which athelete to coach? or maybe both? lol)
Yuna ignored his email (he gave the unchecked email as evidence of Yuna's disrespectful behavrio on national TV ) v. Yuna sent him a reply and he checked it (also on the national tv, courtesy from Mr. Brian)

As much as I admire Brian, I think he is emotionally unstable at the moment. He reminds me more and more of a lover scorned rather than a professional coach leaving his student. Maybe Yuna did straighten him up as we speculated lol

I am confused. I watched the youtube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xdLQ...layer_embedded, there are two interviews. One is a phone interview, the other is live on CTV. I don't see or hear any discrepency there. In both cases, he denied. I heard he said, "NO" in the first interview. And the second, "NO, they absolutely did not". I am really confused. Where is the inconsistency? Can you help me out, please?

 

[samsarah]

I am confused. I watched the youtube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xdLQ...layer_embedded, there are two interviews. One is a phone interview, the other is live on CTV. I don't see or hear any discrepency there. In both cases, he denied. I heard he said, "NO" in the first interview. And the second, "NO, they absolutely did not". I am really confused. Where is the inconsistency? Can you help me out, please?

The incosistency lies in that his interviews with CTV directly contradicts his statement to Korea Herald and Tribune. On April 24th, Brian interviewed with Herald, told them that during the WC, Mao's agent Mariko Wada approached him several times, asking him to be Mao's coach. He later sent an email to Yuna where he confirmed the rumor (that there was offer from Mao), and also stated that he was flattered that Mao would want him as her coach. You can find this email in Tribune. Brian provided the email to P. Hursh.

 

[Tinymavy15]

Perhaps Miki's new costume may serve as a better explanation as to why elite skaters sometimes prefer disclosing any information regarding their new program (including costume and choreography)as late as they're allowed.

http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=figureskating&no=996514&page=1&search_pos=-978053&k_type=0100&keyword=%EB%AF%B8%ED%82%A4&bbs=

Familiar, much? :think:

I think she looks elegant and beauiful! What's wrong?

 

[skatinginbc]

The incosistency lies in that his interviews with CTV directly contradicts his statement to Korea Herald and Tribune. On April 24th, Brian interviewed with Herald, told them that during the WC, Mao's agent Mariko Wada approached him several times, asking him to be Mao's coach. He later sent an email to Yuna where he confirmed the rumor (that there was offer from Mao), and also stated that he was flattered that Mao would want him as her coach. You can find this email in Tribune. Brian provided the email to P. Hursh.

I did not see the word "offer" regarding the statement to Korea Herald and Tribune. And I am not so clear if "approach" actually means "offer" and thus constitutes a "direct contradiction". What "clear" to me is that you have reinforced some addicts' behavior. Don't you see they are jumping up and down based on your "direct contradiction"?

 

[hellcat]

I am confused. I watched the youtube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xdLQ...layer_embedded, there are two interviews. One is a phone interview, the other is live on CTV. I don't see or hear any discrepency there. In both cases, he denied. I heard he said, "NO" in the first interview. And the second, "NO, they absolutely did not". I am really confused. Where is the inconsistency? Can you help me out, please?

I believe the 1st "No" was: "No (they asked but I turned it down)" and The 2nd "No" was : "No, they absolutely did not (made an offer)".

I guess you can say he was saying he didn't receive any offer letter with how much he was gonna be paid. But the context doesn't seem to be that.

 

[janetfan]

The incosistency lies in that his interviews with CTV directly contradicts his statement to Korea Herald and Tribune. On April 24th, Brian interviewed with Herald, told them that during the WC, Mao's agent Mariko Wada approached him several times, asking him to be Mao's coach. He later sent an email to Yuna where he confirmed the rumor (that there was offer from Mao), and also stated that he was flattered that Mao would want him as her coach. You can find this email in Tribune. Brian provided the email to P. Hursh.

Is this similar in a sense to what we are hearing from and about ATS - that Brian was not giving enough attention to Yuna - and then that Brian was told Yuna needed time off so please Brian by all means work with other skaters? How confusing is that?

I am not willing to call Brian a liar because I don't know all the facts. I also don't know if ATS is as guilty of treating Orser as badly as he has claimed.

What is undeniable is that they fired Brian and then kept silent about it. I don't know what ATS thought would happen next or maybe they were incapable of thinking this through?

And why does it feel as if ATS could care less about the other skaters and coaches at the Cricket Club? Perception is often stronger than reality. Isn't it supposed to be the job of an agency to handle situations like this rather than creating PR nightmares through a lack of action and sheer incompetence?

But what else could Brian do when the tension at the Cricket Club started effecting the other skaters and coaches. I don't blame Brian for being very upset, going public when he did or feeling the need to protect his skaters.

Wasn't that something Brian was practically worshipped for by Yuna fans - the way he protected her? My gosh, the way Brian handled things in Vancouver for Yuna seemed close to perfect.

Why does it seem so strange that he would do the same for Christina and Adam?

 

[skatinginbc]

I believe the 1st "No" was: "No (they asked but I turned it down)" and The 2nd "No" was : "No, they absolutely did not (made an offer)".

I guess you can say he was saying he didn't receive any offer letter with how much he was gonna be paid. But the context doesn't seem to be that.

It seems to me that the context was "If Yuna retires, will you coach Mao?" And he said "no". So he did not receive an official offer. Quite consistent throughout his interviews, is it not?

 

[hellcat]

It seems to me that the context was "If Yuna retires, will you coach Mao?" And he said "no". So he did not receive an official offer. Quite consistent throughout his interviews, is it not?

Well, according to this : http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sp20100428f1.html
, they didn't even contact him.

Even if you interpretation was right, the 1st interview was completely untrue. In his Apr 25(?) email he revealed, he even said he was flattered.

Also the acompanying email with the phone intervew says: "Her agency did inquire about me ( and team ) working with her, I told them that you are my first priority. I have to say that I was flattered she has an interest, but your skating comes first.".

Depending on who you are, I wouldn't be surprised if you take this as someone got an job offer but turned it down quickly.

 

[prettykeys]

Well, according to this : http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sp20100428f1.html
, they didn't even contact him.

They could be lying, too. Or, it's also possible that someone posing as them contacted Brian.

Also, there is some ambiguity, but being approached and being offered are slightly different things.

YuNa also stated that this wasn't a whole reason, and that there were things that did not go well all the time over the last 4 years...so it's myopic to be too focused on this.

Honestly, though, some of Brian's behaviour makes me think YuNa made the right--not the wrong--choice. After ATS/Mom/Agent delivered the message that he was no longer to be YuNa's coach, he really did have the option of remaining quiet or giving YuNa some time away from him to reconsider, etc. No matter what YuNa's reasons were and even if he was lost/confused. YuNa's sides actions were mysteriously cold, but he's really throwing the equivalent of a tantrum.

 

[colleen o'neill]

"He even said he was flattered"..so is that the problem? Would you have wanted him do disparage her ? Should he have been insulted ?

Of course he would be flattered , just as TAT would be flattered if Yuna's camp ( not necessarily Yuna herself) put out tentative feelers to see if she would be interested in coaching Yuna... (You're living in a dream world if you don't think this kind of discussion goes on behind the scenes all the time.) And really, what would you expect Mao's camp to say , now that everything is out in the open? They ,too, live in an insane, OTT fan / media atmosphere . Since it wasn't a formal offer..they may well want to deny it.

 

[Cerulean]

Honestly, though, some of Brian's behaviour makes me think YuNa made the right--not the wrong--choice. After ATS/Mom/Agent delivered the message that he was no longer to be YuNa's coach, he really did have the option of remaining quiet or giving YuNa some time away from him to reconsider, etc. No matter what YuNa's reasons were and even if he was lost/confused. YuNa's sides actions were mysteriously cold, but he's really throwing the equivalent of a tantrum.

Well, he did wait 3 weeks before announcing the split--seems like that was more than enough time.

 

[Tonichelle]

*Yawn* I love how from a few edited sound bites and interviews we have all become experts on two persons personalities that - when you read or hear friends outsiders (of the argument) describe them - totally does not jive.

but then if the media says it, it must be true. Do your own thinking and dont trust the journalists. The real story will never reach the public.

 

[YunaBliss]

Guys, this break-up is easy to explain. You are overlooking the real issue in the real world.

It's about a coach wanting a bigger cut from a skater who is one of the highest paid female athletes in the world.

And a failed negotiation because (1) the coach demanded a bit too much and trust was breached or (2) the skater's mom offered a bit too little and pride was hurt. Take your pick.

As for starting this mess, however, the blame must fall squarely on Brian/IMG, as they made an unilateral public announcement, trying to present himself as some victim of wrongful termination.

Had there been a employment contract, such announcement would have constituted a breach of confidentiality obligation, and Brian/IMG would have been sued.

 

[Basics]

Note to future GS members: If you want an ounce of credibility in discussions moving forward, don't call yourself [skater_name]addiction. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Well, it's better than some sneaky users who pop up right at times. So now all the Yuna-antis are taking Brian's stance? LOL.