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babayaga
Hi everyone. I've been reading these discussions for a while now and one think that still confuses me much is this "temporary break" idea. Did they provide any dates when the "break" was supposed to be over? What happens during the break? If the information we have from ATS is correct I think I would also be confused if I were Brian... Daniel5555 you seem to understand what they meant, would you please explain? Thanks.
As I understand, it's pretty obvious that they had a big problem already on 2 Aug., but I think they still hoped to solve it at some point. The break had no date attached to it (it was not any formal meeting with documents and stuff), at least no one of them mentioned it. But I think they still thought, that he could be her coach if they will come to peace at some point.
If it was not like this, there is really no reason not to disclose the break and to lose time without a coach. When Brian resigned and made everything public, that probably was a big surprise for them, which would explain their mostly improvised reaction about it.

I'm sure, that Brian was confused, but ATS as well. So I tend not to blame anyone of them, just trying to get the facts straight and make any judgements based only on them.
 
Nadia01
I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. Brian wrote the email for Yuna, but he decided to share it with other people himself...? I see nothing wrong w/ it & maybe I suspect that others don't, esp. since the letter didn't contain any confidential information about Yuna that could damage her career and reputation.
Maybe those are just my Spanish oddities :)
It's not very rude, of course, but it's questionable for me.

janetfan
I think it seems much ruder that ATS brought Mao into their own mess. That imo was uncalled for and rude.
It was also what made a few posters realize ATS had no idea how to deal with this situation.
I agree with this.
But we should separate the initial ATS reaction and the letter of Yuna. The initial reaction was completely wrong and it was coming of nowhere, that mention of Mao. In Yuna's letter she wrote about this, because it was mentioned in the press and she had to talk about it.
 
I think it seems much ruder that ATS brought Mao into their own mess. That imo was uncalled for and rude.
It was also what made a few posters realize ATS had no idea how to deal with this situation.

I'm not happy w/ that either. It sounded like ATS was blaming Mao for the breakup.

Tho I suspect one of the reasons why they brought it up is b/c of anti-JP sentiment in Korea. Maybe they thought to deflect whatever criticism they may receive from Korean fans over the issue by dragging Mao into the mess?
 
babayaga

As I understand, it's pretty obvious that they had a big problem already on 2 Aug., but I think they still hoped to solve it at some point. The break had no date attached to it (it was not any formal meeting with documents and stuff), at least no one of them mentioned it. But I think they still thought, that he could be her coach if they will come to peace at some point.
If it was not like this, there is really no reason not to disclose the break and to lose time without a coach. When Brian resigned and made everything public, that probably was a big surprise for them, which would explain their mostly improvised reaction about it.

I'm sure, that Brian was confused, but ATS as well. So I tend not to blame anyone of them, just trying to get the facts straight and make any judgements based only on them.

The initial blog post I read on this indicated that Brian was told on August 23 that he was fired. IIRC he said Yuna wasn't there at the meeting.

I seriously think Brian & ATS had serious communication issues if what they're saying is true (to them).
 
Nadia01


janetfan

I agree with this.
But we should separate the initial ATS reaction and the letter of Yuna. The initial reaction was completely wrong and it was coming of nowhere, that mention of Mao. In Yuna's letter she wrote about this, because it was mentioned in the press and she had to talk about it.

A fair enough point. I don't think many posters at GS think either side handled this very well.

As to Brian releasing his email - wasn't that a direct response to the statement from ATS about Mao?

Now this is just my opinion - but I have serious doubts that Mao Asada had anything to do with this sloppy split.
But to be fair to Brian, who I admit could have been better, he released the email as a response to ATS.

It is just one of the reasons I have serious doubts about ATS.
BTW, I thought what I read this morning here from "parma's" post was fine. Not only good news but handled well by ATS and a serious move from them to put this behind them.

I admire that! :)
 
Maybe it is.

I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. Brian wrote the email for Yuna, but he decided to share it with other people himself...? I see nothing wrong w/ it & maybe I suspect that others don't, esp. since the letter didn't contain any confidential information about Yuna that could damage her career and reputation.

But if he'd shared letters Yuna wrote him without her explicit written permission, I'd be incredibly upset over it b/c that's just low, altho there are people who think it's okay to share letters you got from other people as well.

Edit: Sorry to preface my post, I have to say that Brian showed only his email that he sent to Yuna. So it was his to show. But the going public part is what I'm talking about.

You don't know who would win if Yuna and Brian went to court. Silence doesn't mean proof is non-existent. It means one side well UNDERSTANDS the cost of going PUBLIC.

I don't publish my emails to people (I'm talking about my own emails to them). Its perfectly legal to do so. I still don't. Most people don't. Its not an isolated email but a part of a conversation. Its an incomplete picture and we perfectly know its an incomplete picture. We keep it in house because I consider emails to be like phone calls (maybe Brian Orser and a lot of other people do NOT).

I don't record my phone call, OMIT the other party speaking, and release it to the public. WHO IN THE WORLD would email if they thought it was ALWAYS OPEN TO PUBLIC. Why not just ... oh I don't know... twitter to communicate? Public message boards? BECAUSE ITS MEANT TO BE PRIVATE. Using it in court? Sure, its private (since courts are private FOR THAT PURPOSE, to protect people from having to get eaten alive by media etc). Using it to win a public opinion battle? Er... maybe?

I don't want my email saying I ate breakfast at 7 AM to be released to the public. If I wanted others to know, I'd tell others directly. Even if someone asked me what I ate for breakfast, I'd like that to remain private too. Since, I would either have to divulge my breakfast time email or remain silent and have everyone assume I'm hiding something. Its basically forcing someone to reveal/ disclose information.

Did Brian have a reason to? I'm sure he felt he did. Was it necessary? Perhaps it was. Public Opinion would have chewed him out. Did it reflect well on him? No. He came off as a bit disrespectful of someone's privacy.

Doesn't mean he did something wrong. But releasing the email, while legal, came off as untrustworthy. You don't spill beans publicly. Even if you wrote it especially if its part of a chain conversation. Who will share secrets with Orser now?

I for one would never have an email correspondence with him without having a lawyer (well maybe not a lawyer but you get the gist) go through my emails to ensure everything is in the vaguest of terms to avoid responsibility in case he goes public (even IF I'm not doing anything wrong). Nor would I share any secrets with him in case we get into a fight and he goes public. (Edit: I mean that I'm afraid something will get out that I do not foresee and cause some unexpected and negative result. That isn't to say he'll do that in my case but I just don't know anymore, loss of confidence).

Furthermore, there are many reasons for silence. Could be out of emotional hurt (just want it over with). Could be because one/ both parties are guilty of other things that they don't want becoming public (when one person rats, they go to the end. Brian Orser HIMSELF was on the receiving end of that in his personal life so he should know EXACTLY what that is like).

Theoretical Example:
Let's say party A and party B get into a fight.

Party A punched Party C. Party B was present. Kept secret.
Party B threw hot water into Party A's face. Kept Secret.
Party A yelled at Party B because of the hot water. Kept secret.

Party B goes public about being yelled at while saying there was no reason for Party B to yell. (Lie or maybe Party B threw the water as a joke and doesn't know A was unhappy aka misunderstanding)
Party A had hot water thrown into his face by Party B but because of what he did to Party C wants Party B to shut up so Party A does not further provoke Party B.
Party B knows this so basically poker faces Party A and blackmails Party A into silence in terms of result.

Obviously this is probably not why things went down the way they did considering the surprise of everyone involved. But to somehow portray Orser's email as not a negative thing (legal right! its his legal right!) is the same as defending Yuna's twitter (emotion! she has a right to express her emotion! legal right!). Disagree completely with this position. Both should have SHUT UP. From the beginning. And ONE SIDE shut up faster.

Yuna> Brian > ATS (although to be fair it was really only about the release of the music which I can understand).

If not for Yuna's twitter and cyworld posts, she'd still look like an angel. If not for Brian's email and song revelation, he'd still look like an angel. Not anymore. And they've only themselves to blame for it.

Edit: And yes, the twitter and cyworld posts <<<<< email and song revelation (clarification: as in the twitter and cyworld posts were MUCH worse).

I disliked Yuna's implication that not all things were rosy and that it was all for media consumption. Very unhappy with that.

I'm not going to argue the point.

I'm just saying people are dismissing the email and music release as meh, legal right, and the twitter and cyworld as OMG you went PUBLIC with your accusations!!! Kind of a double standard there.

Would probably me more accurate to say "email and music release" was not AS BAD as that grimace/ groan producing "twitter and cyworld."

If I come off a bit Yuna sided, I admit that the Orserbots are getting on my nerves (I already ignore the Yuna fans) recently a bit with a Orser does no wrong and is angelic (gone through a lot). He has definitely endured a lot of harassment he didn't deserve. He deserves a lot of support especially from Canadians. But no man is an angel and immune and no 19 year old girl either.

Last edit: and to be COMPLETELY honest (might as well be open with my own personal interests right? :yes::yay::hb:), I do have a personal interest in seeing Michelle Kwan back on the ice and that has a lot to do with Yuna and less Brian and yes I'd prefer that both parties shut up. Although I do try to be objective and fair. I also am not a bot of either. MK fan. Fan of FC too.

If you feel I'm really bashing one side for no reason, I hope I don't come off that way. And no, I don't think MK is an angel either. Great skater though. :thumbsup:

Last last edit: Yes, the interviews going on and on were not particularly great but it didn't feel like a breach, just more of a "hey do you mean what you say" kind of thing.

So no, I would NOT include the interviews endlessly going on in the same category as the twitter, cyworld, music release.

Email release a bit more debatable. I'm not happy with it at all and I admit there's an element of fear in there. I will not open an email/ desire to receive an email from someone who will go public with emails. That's just a fact for me.

And the only reason I object to the twitter is because of the "Lie" part and the cyworld because I do think "not everything was rosy" is an insinuation.
 
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BTW, I thought what I read this morning here from "parma's" post was fine. Not only good news but handled well by ATS and a serious move from them to put this behind them.

Parma's post is great. Particularly this part.


Orser did not press her to leave the Cricket Club, so that is not the reason she is training at another rink.

ATS representative stated "it seems that Orser and Yuna both got into a situation none of them wanted to be.

Makes me think things spiraled out of control against their will... like all fights do... divorces... breakups.

New coaches being contacted? If its either Frank Caroll or Tarasova... :bang:

That really boosts my image of Orser again. Yuna... is still young. And unlike Janetfan, I still do not think much of ATS.

Sorry but this was THE trainwreck of trainwrecks.
 
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Nadia01
The initial blog post I read on this indicated that Brian was told on August 23 that he was fired. IIRC he said Yuna wasn't there at the meeting.
ATS told that he said something like "I can't care about Yuna anymore" (this is not a direct quote, it's translation from Korean quote which was translated from English).
According to Brian, he was fired even before on 2 Aug. But the contract expired in May.

janetfan
As to Brian releasing his email - wasn't that a direct response to the statement from ATS about Mao?
Yes, but I'm not sure it was necessary. He said that he sent numerous e-mails to Yuna and showed one of them, which confirmed that he indeed sent something. Maybe it helped him a bit...

Now this is just my opinion - but I have serious doubts that Mao Asada had anything to do with this sloppy split.
I almost have no doubts... That Mao has absolutely nothing to do with this. She just doesn't have to be mentioned at all. The whole offer thing is ridiculous... From Yuna's point of view, from Brian's and from Mao's too. I don't know who from IMG approched Brian, but I'm sure Mao had no idea about it.

MrBerkeley
If not for Yuna's twitter and cyworld posts, she'd still look like an angel. If not for Brian's email and song revelation, he'd still look like an angel. Not anymore. And they've only themselves to blame for it.
First of all, I don't know who thought, that they are angels like... Angels. Anyway, if they are angels, they still are... I mean, come on, it's just a twitter message and a small letter. It's only normal to make errors...
Secondly, what's wrong about Yuna's cyworld post? She just expressed her position in a really gentle way, at least in original Korean.

Edit: And yes, the twitter and cyworld posts <<<<< email and song revelation (clarification: as in the twitter and cyworld posts were MUCH worse).
Song revelation for Koreans is worse than twitter post. That's for sure. As for cyworld, I don't know, what you see wrong in it.

I disliked Yuna's implication that not all things were rosy and that it was all for media consumption. Very unhappy with that.
The ONLY thing she said, is that their relationship was not ideal. No more than this. "Media consumption"? She didn't imply this anywhere.

I'm just saying people are dismissing the email and music release as meh, legal right, and the twitter and cyworld as OMG you went PUBLIC with your accusations!!! Kind of a double standard there.
And btw, Brian went public with accusations before Yuna.

Anyway, a small recap, as it all comes down to the initial reason, why it all happened:

1. Brian had less time for Yuna, because he had other students. I find this reason very unlikeable to be. Brian asked for Yuna's and her mother's permission before taking Gao and Adam and they agreed. He was coaching them during the Olympic season and had plenty of time for Yuna. Now, when she is going to compete less this season, there is no way that this could be an issue. Besides, it was known that in fact Yuna liked to train with Adam. And Yuna wanted Brian to train Min Jung too. There is no way that the "timing" could be an issue which led to this.

2. Brian wanted more money than he was paid. I find this reason very unlikeable to be. Brian himself said that the money was not the reason and I don't see any reason not to believe him. He didn't have any financial problems and then I'm sure that Yuna would pay him as much as he wanted in case he asked. Then money couldn't be an issue.

3. Yuna's mother wanted Brian to work for ATS, but he denied. I find this reason very unlikeable to be. Brian had no idea that ATS was going to be created in the first place. And this issue is very serious, they sure understand that Brian can't break a contract just easily. So if they wanted him, they would ask him. Long before the creation of ATS. Besides, what ambition had Yuna's mother with ATS? I find it very unlikeable that she wanted to compete with IMG. It's unrealistic and then they had problems only with IMG Korea, but not with the IMG office in Canada and USA. As it stands now, I'm sure that the only ambition that has ATS is working with Yuna and Korean skaters, and organise Yuna's shows in Korea and Worldwide. But to compete with IMG Worldwide? I doubt this. I'm sure that at this moment they don't even remotely consider this. It's just unrealistic. Then Gao and Adam are from IMG, and they didn't have any problem with that. I don't think they wanted them in their agency. ATS simply can't manage athletes in Canada yet and, come on, they are not crazy.

So if those reasons are unrealistic, what is the real reason? I don't know. Brian says he doesn't know and Yuna doesn't want to tell it. Her right.
But it's possible, that they just had an argument. I mean, Yuna and Brian, without her mother and translator. Someone said something, then someone responded in a more aggressive tone and that's it, like with everyone. At the end Yuna was offended and decided not to talk a lot with Brian. Brian thought it wasn't serious and decided to forget about it.
Then some more misunderstanding, bad translations, Yuna's mother: "Don't worry, I'll sort it out." and it's how it is.

It could be simply some problem between Yuna and Brian, and no one was able to help them to solve it.
 
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MrBerkeley

First of all, I don't know who thought, that they are angels like... Angels. Anyway, if they are angels, they still are... I mean, come on, it's just a twitter message and a small letter. It's only normal to make errors...

Secondly, what's wrong about Yuna's cyworld post? She just expressed her position in a really gentle way, at least in original Korean.

Song revelation for Koreans is worse than twitter post. That's for sure. As for cyworld, I don't know, what you see wrong in it.

The ONLY thing she said, is that their relationship was not ideal. No more than this. "Media consumption"? She didn't imply this anywhere.

And btw, Brian went public with accusations before Yuna.

Twitter she called him a liar basically in an indirect way. (Edit: not to mention the target audience wasn't really Brian ;) )
Cyworld, she said not everything was as perfect as the media portrays. She could have said, we had our issues before. But the way it was worded is an insinuation which I dislike since it doesn't actually present anything and suggests it WAS for media consumption.

Yes, it WAS an error. It is normal and human. And its unfortunately NOT "just a twitter and a small letter" lol. Yuna is too big for it to be just a twitter and a small letter. Sad but reality. Wish she gets more privacy. I DO think there's a difference between saying "lie and liar." I don't want to even defend her cyworld post. I do think Orser probably had his reasons for going public. He probably also had his reasons for releasing the music and emails. But they were all mistakes. I'm not bashing them for it. I just dislike when people keep trying to dismiss them in favor of who they favor. Doesn't mean they're bad people.

Like I said, mature people are sometimes immature. We all make mistakes. We all disrespect. (varying degrees). Its human. I'm kind of annoyed with the repeated "Brian is innocent, Yuna is innocent, just a small thing, legal right, blah blah argument." Yes. All true. And all excuses.

Sorry but I'm going to try cutting COLD TURKEY from this thread. Its about to surpass the Yuna news thread which is ridiculous. (Yes I know I contributed 130+ posts to this thread AND like 50 pages worth solo. Its why I'm going lol. Take care all. Post less. Listen more (read more))
 
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MrBerkeley
What she wrote in her letter (according to the best translation I know) is "Do you really think I trained happily without any problems during the 4 years as it seemed from the outside?" (in the context of possible reasons).
She didn't mention media, she basically said what you wanted, like "we had our issues before".

I'm kind of annoyed with the repeated "Brian is innocent, Yuna is innocent, just a small thing, legal right, blah blah argument." Yes. All true. And all excuses.
Well, if we talk about the twitter and some of Brian's actions, then of course they are not innocent. But I think it would be exaggeration to say that this is something really serious.
As for the letter, she is not accusing anyone there...
 
MrBerkeley
What she wrote in her letter (according to the best translation I know) is "Do you really think I trained happily without any problems during the 4 years as it seemed from the outside?" (in the context of possible reasons).
She didn't mention media, she basically said what you wanted, like "we had our issues before".

Well, if we talk about the twitter and some of Brian's actions, then of course they are not innocent. But I think it would be exaggerate to say that this is something really serious.
As for the letter, she is not accusing anyone there...


(lol okay one last shot... :| ) Well, as it appeared from the outside is what I'm referring to. Just say we've had our issues before. The "as it appeared to the outside" is not necessary; it makes it into a "we've been hiding these huge holes". At least that's how I interpreted it as.

If it really was small things during the 4 years, why bother needing to write that part. I'm going to go with the position that she felt there were big enough issues to cause a split that she didn't reveal before and that was her point. And that now after the OGM, she feels free to get rid of him because of those problems. That's how the cyworld sounds like to me. Which puts her in a sort of negative light?

Its not something really serious. But I'm not surprised by Yuna's outburst and I WAS surprised by Orser's actions. They're not that big in terms of the real world. I mean considering what's going on in Pakistan, Iraq, North Korea, Mexico this kind of stuff is a cakewalk.
 
MrBerkeley
I kind of understand you. I was also surprised by their actions. By the actions of both of them. But that doesn't take anything from them. We don't even know to what extent those actions were wrong. Maybe if we knew the whole thing they would appear justified... Or maybe not.

Well, as it appeared from the outside is what I'm referring to. Just say we've had our issues before. The as it appeared is not necessary, it makes it into a we've been hiding these huge holes. At least that's how I interpreted it as.

If it really was small things during the 4 years, why bother needing to write that part. I'm going to go with the position that she felt there were big enough issues to cause a split that she didn't reveal before and that was her point. And that now after the OGM, she feels free to get rid of him because of those problems. That's how the cyworld sounds like to me.
I'm not sure what is the outside she refers to. Only the press? Maybe also other people which were close to her? I don't know.
As about your last two phrases... You know... Of course you have some logic about this. But considering, that she was the one who wanted to be with Brian to the end and in her own letter she said "This was something that could have concluded nicely, why did it ended up hurting each other…", I think she just wanted to tell us, that there were some problems before too and nothing more, in order to make it look less shocking now (she ends the letter with an apology to fans). That's how I see it. I'm sure that after this Worlds 2010 she still had the intention to continue with Brian. And even in her letter, she said, that it came to a definitive end only "few days before". I believe it was this recent problem that caused it all, and not something she was holding inside herself for years. That would be too much even for her.

If you don't want to write in this thread, feel free to PM me, if you want to say something...
 
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Janetfan, if you need proof for this one, any link to YouTube will do, won't it. Amazing how even today, we can look at Janet's decades-old performances, with double jumps most of the time, and realize that she was the heart-stopping Real Thing.
....... the effect still was magical and smooth and sunlit.

Sometimes I read that Janet was a "happy skater." I don't think she was any happier or sadder than most other skaters I have watched over the years. She was a wonderful freeskater with an abilty to draw a crowd into her programs like few I have ever seen. Even at 14 when I first saw her skate she had this quality.

Here is a link to a long but interesting article with interviews of Janet, her mother, father and coaches.

Also Janet talks about her faith and what her year was like after the '72 Olympics.

Sometimes this "Olympic hangover" that we hear about might play a bigger part with skaters and even their coaches than many of us realize.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1087109/1/index.htm

"I didn't want to skate this year. I couldn't face it. After 14 years of serious skating I was tired. After the Olympics I was sick of it. I was bored and depressed. I almost quit for good this summer. One day I went to the rink. I was planning to work five or six hours. I stayed 10 minutes and went home and said, 'Mom, I can't do it.' I talked to my parents, my brothers and my pastor. I prayed to God about it."

Curious about what it was like to practice school figures - three hours a day, six days a week for so many years.......:eek:

and the parents talk about what is was like having a skating prodigy for a daughter.
 
:eek:oh no, dont change the design again, I like the last season changes:)

to keep the forum running smoothest there are constant changes that are rarely seen. Whenever VBulletin releases a new version Paula updates the boards. Most changes are little and not to the layout, but if they change the basic layout of how their forums run and look then we will follow suit until new changes can be made. If that makes sense. Gotta keep and jive with the times.
 
1. Brian had less time for Yuna, because he had other students. I find this reason very unlikeable to be. Brian asked for Yuna's and her mother's permission before taking Gao and Adam and they agreed. He was coaching them during the Olympic season and had plenty of time for Yuna. Now, when she is going to compete less this season, there is no way that this could be an issue. Besides, it was known that in fact Yuna liked to train with Adam. And Yuna wanted Brian to train Min Jung too. There is no way that the "timing" could be an issue which led to this.

2. Brian wanted more money than he was paid. I find this reason very unlikeable to be. Brian himself said that the money was not the reason and I don't see any reason not to believe him. He didn't have any financial problems and then I'm sure that Yuna would pay him as much as he wanted in case he asked. Then money couldn't be an issue.

3. Yuna's mother wanted Brian to work for ATS, but he denied. I find this reason very unlikeable to be. Brian had no idea that ATS was going to be created in the first place. And this issue is very serious, they sure understand that Brian can't break a contract just easily. So if they wanted him, they would ask him. Long before the creation of ATS. Besides, what ambition had Yuna's mother with ATS? I find it very unlikeable that she wanted to compete with IMG. It's unrealistic and then they had problems only with IMG Korea, but not with the IMG office in Canada and USA. As it stands now, I'm sure that the only ambition that has ATS is working with Yuna and Korean skaters, and organise Yuna's shows in Korea and Worldwide. But to compete with IMG Worldwide? I doubt this. I'm sure that at this moment they don't even remotely consider this. It's just unrealistic. Then Gao and Adam are from IMG, and they didn't have any problem with that. I don't think they wanted them in their agency. ATS simply can't manage athletes in Canada yet and, come on, they are not crazy.

So if those reasons are unrealistic, what is the real reason? I don't know. Brian says he doesn't know and Yuna doesn't want to tell it. Her right.
But it's possible, that they just had an argument. I mean, Yuna and Brian, without her mother and translator. Someone said something, then someone responded in a more aggressive tone and that's it, like with everyone. At the end Yuna was offended and decided not to talk a lot with Brian. Brian thought it wasn't serious and decided to forget about it.
Then some more misunderstanding, bad translations, Yuna's mother: "Don't worry, I'll sort it out." and it's how it is.

It could be simply some problem between Yuna and Brian, and no one was able to help them to solve it.[/QUOTE]
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Hello my friend...Daniel

I think problem was No. 1...even though you think ...very unlikely.

Remember...Brian is in charge of this, this and that and...accept more student...he made himself too busy to take care of his star student properly.
He is a very proud man and thought he doesn't have to charge the STAR student $1000/hour.

If Yuna thought...Brian is too busy...she might also have felt...NEGLECTED... I would feel that way TOO if I were her.
 
to keep the forum running smoothest there are constant changes that are rarely seen. Whenever VBulletin releases a new version Paula updates the boards. Most changes are little and not to the layout, but if they change the basic layout of how their forums run and look then we will follow suit until new changes can be made. If that makes sense. Gotta keep and jive with the times.

the forum basically had the same design/layout for YEARS, and then all of a sudden this change out of nowhere- gotta admit it wasn't for the better, but of course we've all gotten used to it by now.
 
SkatingAnalyst
It's just hard to believe that Brian wouldn't find time for his best and dearest student. And, as I said, this season she doesn't have that many competitions either. That's why I don't find this version any convincing...
Maybe if Yuna felt neglected it was not a cause, but consequence of something that happened before. If Brian really started to dedicate less time to her, probably something happened before between them which led to their desire not to see each other very often.

R.D.
the forum basically had the same design/layout for YEARS, and then all of a sudden this change out of nowhere- gotta admit it wasn't for the better, but of course we've all gotten used to it by now.
I wonder why they didn't leave the possibility to switch back to the old design. Maybe it was technically impossible though...
 
R.D.

I wonder why they didn't leave the possibility to switch back to the old design. Maybe it was technically impossible though...


I think at least that should have been done. I know other forums have that option. But then, as you mention, maybe this particular version of VBulletin doesn't offer that flexibility.
 
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