Ladies Free Skate - Asada vs. Meissner - Round 2
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Thank you. As far as Kimmie's weight being connected to her jump problems in the LP lets not go down that road, imo she looks like she is in the best shape of her career and very fit.
ITA. Meissner seems pretty thin to me... I'm not for telling someone of her size to lose weight...So Yu-na lost weight.. I'm sure and hope that it was in consultation with doctors.. And maybe Meissner could too, but that is not for me to now or say and it's definetly not for fans to be talking about. It's not like Meissner is let's say Cupcake. She doesn't have weight problem at all.
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The biggest revelation of American ladies field this year is definitely Wagner. She skates with confidence and attack. I am expecting to see some upsets at American Nationals. I wonder how she will stack up against the likes of Zhang and Nagasu.
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I feel the consensus of the Forum is to win gold. Apparently, good skating is not important. Ashly is a case in point. She was not expected to win anything, yet she did a remarkable job in SC and actually won a bronze in TEB.
Another case in point, is Kimmie, who won one GP and got a silver in another. Yes, that actually happened.
Two of the three top competitors (if you are into nationalities) did well in their GP events so far. One has already qualified for the Finals, which these prelims are all about. Unfortunately, Ashly will not make the Finals, but Kimmie will and there is no other reason for her not to, but Ashly killed Sara for the Finals unless there is a large group of 4th places in ties.
I think the above is the clear picture of who is and what chances for others in the Finals
When the Finals come and Kimmie is still going through the female passage of time, we can hope for her to do better in 4CC and Worlds. Come to think of it, Ashley too, will be watched closely at US Nats.
2 more prelims left: Joannie, Yukari, YuNa, Carolina, and MIKI, need medals.
Pick your choice for 4 more to be in the Finals.
Joe
Another case in point, is Kimmie, who won one GP and got a silver in another. Yes, that actually happened.
Two of the three top competitors (if you are into nationalities) did well in their GP events so far. One has already qualified for the Finals, which these prelims are all about. Unfortunately, Ashly will not make the Finals, but Kimmie will and there is no other reason for her not to, but Ashly killed Sara for the Finals unless there is a large group of 4th places in ties.
I think the above is the clear picture of who is and what chances for others in the Finals
When the Finals come and Kimmie is still going through the female passage of time, we can hope for her to do better in 4CC and Worlds. Come to think of it, Ashley too, will be watched closely at US Nats.
2 more prelims left: Joannie, Yukari, YuNa, Carolina, and MIKI, need medals.
Pick your choice for 4 more to be in the Finals.
Joe
Oh lord no. That's really an insult to Kimmie- to dare compare her consistency to Alyssa!!
It is very tempting, after hearing the news of Meissner's struggles, to want to push her aside to make room for the next generation. But, as I said before, I'm not quite ready to do that yet. This was only ONE bad showing for her, and it's certainly not the first of her career. I'm willing to give her another chance; stranger things have happened before. There's still two more events left on the calendar: GPF and Nats. Let's see if she can pull together on the former and rally for the latter. Because if she can recover, I think she has the nerves to pull it together for the four minutes. That said, she's gonna have to work harder (or smarter?) than ever before, because Asada & Co. ain't gonna be waitin' on her.
As for weight loss, I think she looks perfectly fine. Maybe even a little on the thin side, if I may be honest.
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I saw Kimmie's SP and I thought that was the thinnest I've ever seen her. So did Mao. If anything these two girls need to gain weight. I thought Ashley looked fine though.
Kimmie is just fine. Look at this picture!
http://legacyeditorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=77963031&cdi=0
She is already thinner and has much narrower shoulders than Mao. However, unfortunately her overall physique is not as beautiful as Mao's. Because her legs are shorter and her lines from the neck to the shoulders are also not so good. Maybe that is the reason why she does not look as beautiful as Mao on the ice.
Oh lord no. That's really an insult to Kimmie- to dare compare her consistency to Alyssa!!
It is very tempting, after hearing the news of Meissner's struggles, to want to push her aside to make room for the next generation. But, as I said before, I'm not quite ready to do that yet. This was only ONE bad showing for her, and it's certainly not the first of her career. I'm willing to give her another chance; stranger things have happened before. There's still two more events left on the calendar: GPF and Nats. Let's see if she can pull together on the former and rally for the latter. Because if she can recover, I think she has the nerves to pull it together for the four minutes. That said, she's gonna have to work harder (or smarter?) than ever before, because Asada & Co. ain't gonna be waitin' on her.
As for weight loss, I think she looks perfectly fine. Maybe even a little on the thin side, if I may be honest.
Maybe..just maybe...we're expecting too much of Kimmie. She is such a hardworking, wholesome skater. She has speed, but now, her formerly-consistent jumps are failing her. Her weight? Well she certainly seems to be toned and fit, but she is heavier than a couple of years back. It makes one wonder if she is overdoing the workouts. But if one looks at the big picture, I think we may have been expecting a bit too much of her:
Since that first nationals medal with the historic 3 axel, so much has been expected of her. She has never been a consummate artist, but she has been lauded as a consistent, pressure skater with formidable technical abilities. But if one examines her record closely, that Worlds' gold back in 2006 was indeed phenominal. Looking back, I don't recall two, clean back-to-back programs from her that came close to duplicating her 2006 World's accomplishment--which included a clean SP and a FP which featured two, 3/3 combos. The following 2006-07 season, she did not qualify for the GP final and finished off the podium at World's. Even her National's gold at Spokane was controversial--onsite, and following the event as well. (I refer to the SP 3/3 combo in which Kimmie was given credit as being fully rotated--and Rachel Flatt was not--though they were nearly identical in revolutions. Then Kimmies' so-so FP leading many to believe that "Emily was robbed".) This year's skate America was a real squeaker! And now this Bompard debacle. (Kimmies high PCS scores in the FP of the latter rewarded her a silver. If not for those she certainly would have ended up no higher than bronze. Was she really that much better than Wagner in the PCS area?)
That being said, I think Kimmie is an exceptional, top-five skater. I believe she is a true podium contender in all the international events she enters. To win gold, however, I think there will have to be failures among her top competitors. I believe it is unfair to expect more of her at this juncture of her career.
Kimmie
Kimmie does not need to lose weight. She has filled out as is normal. She may be a bit taller also. I see her in person all the time and her weight is as should be.I think she is adjusting to womens body not the long armed long legged skinny kid. I doubt if she will give up and may be a surprise by the end of the season. Thats what Im hoping. Like to see her go back to Frank.
Kimmie does not need to lose weight. She has filled out as is normal. She may be a bit taller also. I see her in person all the time and her weight is as should be.I think she is adjusting to womens body not the long armed long legged skinny kid. I doubt if she will give up and may be a surprise by the end of the season. Thats what Im hoping. Like to see her go back to Frank.
ITA! This is what I think as well.. If Kimmie was skating for just about any other country (but Japan and the United States) most countries would be thrilled with what Kimmie is giving them. She's a hard worker who does her best. But I think there are just a couple of people that are better than her, who also seem to be hard workers. There's isn't much you can do...
Still she's a wonderful girl and a wonderful role model, and well it's too bad that all of the US figure skaters don't have Meissner's work ethic. (See for example Sasha)
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well she wanted to skate better, of course she's not as happy...
Ashley's the newbie and probably did not expect the result that she has... and Mao won... I'm sure Kimmie will be just fine by nationals. If anything this will relight the fire under her...
Ashley's the newbie and probably did not expect the result that she has... and Mao won... I'm sure Kimmie will be just fine by nationals. If anything this will relight the fire under her...
I don't want to belabor Kimmie's present situation. Why? Because I believe she is working as hard and putting forth as much effort as she possibly can. If her coach or a qualified fitness trainer were to suggest that she needs to lose (or gain) weight, I believe it would be as good as done. She is just that focused and conscientous about her skating.
That being said, go back and analye the photo further. You will note that Kimmie has a very thin leg up to the knee and considerable muscle bulk in the thigh--very similar to Carolina Kostner. Do you suppose that might explain the jump problems with both skaters? (The muscle bulk seems to have developed in both skaters in the last year or so and is similar to those of some women speed skaters.)
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I think that Kimmie might still have a good chance of making it to the Grand Prix final. I can't wait to see this one on television. I was very surprised at Ashley Wagner.
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Yes, but some of the best jumpers have had some bulk. For example, Irina, Tonya, Ito. I think there's some difference between fat and muscle. ... I think though that the skaters I mentioned had power, and I'm not sure Meissner does have power.
BTW, I don't think Kostner's issues are due to her muscles.. I think her issues are the same as they always were. Kostner rushes to much (especially in her long) She needs to learn as Tarasova said "not to run no the ice, and instead to take her time and do the elements well, paying attention) I'm not saying I want Kostner to be extremely slow, but it would do her well to skat e slower so she can land her jumps and be in control of her programs. Kostner's issues ar nerves.
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She's in. No matter what happens, only Asada, Kim, Nakano, and Ando can finish ahead of her.
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Does Wagner have any chance to make the GPF?
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