Ladies' Long Program
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It would be stupid to take negative view from it. It has to be constructive for her. Now she has a year to fix that BAD flutz and that jumping technique that is not acceptable at senior level.
She might see this as opportunity to improve and KNOW that she is a contender - meaning, she might see this positively and not negatively.
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I'm starting to think Caroline should go back to the 3lz+2T, and if she were to do a 3-3, she has mentioned previously that her 3L-3L sequence is consistent, and that jump, the 3L, is usually always ratified. Since she is such a perfectionist, I'm really scared she is going to injure herself trying to fix everything before her next event!!
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The venues really need a close-up shot from the correct angle and show it on that blazing screen above the ice as they do for all other sports to show fouls.
btw,Caroline is an excellent figure skater. She will become great despite all the nitpicks. There is plenty of time.
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I don't hate anyone and I'm not bashing anyone. I'm objective as possible when analyzing these things and I'd hope everyone else would be too.
The response you just gave, however, is the absolute stereotypical response you would expect from a fanboy who does not have expert-level understanding of whatever it is they are frustrated about. A very common occurrence in every gaming/sport forum out there, no matter what the game may be. I myself have done the very same thing. Eventually, though, you gain the perspective (and experience/knowledge) to look back and see what's really going on.
Let's see videos of her landings. Haven't seen any that show a jump from Sarah being more that a quarter turn short (at the Olympics anyway...a whole different story at many other competitions). Her Lutzes would most definitely have been called as Flutzes but, again, not a big deal when you just did two 3-3 combinations and none of your competitors skated cleanly.
Since she is such a perfectionist, I'm really scared she is going to injure herself trying to fix everything before her next event!!
I'm worried, too. Based on articles and interviews, she seems like the sort who might do that. Like when she mentioned how she was working on triple axels and her mom got mad because she was worried that Caroline would hurt herself. She has said that much of her life is basically skating. Hopefully, Ms. Li will reign her in if need be.
I don't think she should be working on the 3L/3L for obvious reasons. And I'm not at all surprised that her 3L wasn't ratified this time around; she has the same problem that MK did with the 3L - they both tend to pre-rotate quite a bit on the take-off.
My fantasy for the commentators - whoever they are - is something like this: before the skater reaches his/her opening pose, some quick discussion of their competitive history including their personal best scores; then, since many have seen them practice and get the written layout, a preview of what is to come. Then, during the performance, silence except for basic calling of elements (perhaps mentioning transitions or moves in the field too) but low keyed, just naming and not even saying good, bad...whatever. Of course, there will be the occasional outburst when someone nails something amazing or falls on something they never do - and that is desirable. But the 'template' would be low key accurate naming during the performance. Then we move to more voices and to rehash and scrutiny by the commentators as we await the scores. Then, in a perfect world, after we see the whole competition live, we would get a bonus half hour of on the spot analysis so that we could judge the skaters and as we reflect over time on these boards, the commentators too!
Fantasy over. reality comes back in.
Fantasy over. reality comes back in.
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Still, the point I was trying to make with Sarah is that in the SP alone, she would have been too far behind in the points to make up the lead that Kwan and Slutskaya would have had if COP were in existence in 2002. Sarah did receive as low as a 10th place ordinal in the SP at those Olympics and her ordinals were all over the place. Sandra Bezic pointed out that the judges could have taken as much as 0.8 in deductions, but not all of them did because under 6.0 everything in the program was not given a specific value like it is now. She didn't complete the full spiral step sequence pattern, she two-footed the 3flip, and she cheated a 3flutz+2loop that nearly crashed into the boards. Sarah had a VERY noticeable flutz in the SP. It would have been like what happened between Evan Lysacek and Diasuke Takahashi in the mens' event at Skate America this year.
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Yeah, you are probably right about the 3L/3L, but about the prerotation thing, I've never really seen a skater that doesn't do it on the loop
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Worst costume = Miki Ando. She looked like she fell into the costumer's bin and came up with a bunch of scraps sticking to her -- a bit of lace netting here, a strip if velvet there, a couple of weird-looking red things hanging down...
It's official -- I do not understand the PCS "interpretation" in the slightest. How could Kimmie have gotten more that a zero-point-zero in this category for her performance?
It's official -- I do not understand the PCS "interpretation" in the slightest. How could Kimmie have gotten more that a zero-point-zero in this category for her performance?
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Very funny about Miki! when I was watching I thought "Wow, I love her costume".
Different tastes I guess, but very funny mental image.
Sorry if it wasn't clear, I meant people are probably okaying with the flutzing/lipping (E) deduction, because at least it's usually pretty obvious on TV (if you know what to look for). But being so harsh on the downgrades is a bit crazy -- because most people can't see many of the downgrades on TV, not even former Olympic medalists/commentators, nor current rabid fans.
It's bad for a sport that hopes to attract lay viewers, if the rules of the sports are such that you have to be intensively trained, and continuously trained every year (with all the rule changes), in order to make any sense of it.
P.S. Not to mention the special technology, such as frame-by-frame viewing of each move, possibly from different angles...
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What would really be cool and create less confusion for viewers would be if every national commentator were required to have the expertise and training of a professional technical caller. That way we could have the same specific technical breakdowns that are provided to the judging panel. I don't see this ever realistically happening though.
I liked the dress - i was actually more distracted by Kimmie's dress, as subdued as it was in comparison. I worried that one of those drape/cord things would fall on Kimmie's shoulder and distract her. It's hard to see where this program will be in March - it feels NOW like it is designed for the crescendo moments in it to carry her, and maybe it will. As for today's PCS on interpretation, I don't get it, but then, it seems like we had this conversation before and I was only starting to get it then (back to square one, I guess).
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I think it depends if believe a clean underottated jump should be worth the same or more than a two footed underotated jump, step out of a underrotated jump, or a hand down underrotated jump, fall on a underotated jump.
You might be right - and Carmen makes me crazy usually anyway; but I saw shades of huge potential for a real Carmen's Carmen at the beginning of the program. I hope she can pull it off better as the season develops.
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