I mean last 3 Olys the fav didnt win the gold.
In fact, 4. There was Oksana Baiul 1994, when Nancy Kerrigan was the favourite. Nobody seems to remember her.
I mean last 3 Olys the fav didnt win the gold.
The only reason why this didn't turn out to be a judging scandal was because Yuna herself went out there and put on a performance that deserves gold. The judges were there to make sure that even if she put on a mediocre performance, she was still going to get gold.
No, I understand that you're saying that the judges would have given it to her no matter how she skated and I'm asking on what you base that statement. If they held her up in one portion of the event, you might have some basis for a statement like that but it seems to be just coming out of nowhere or just your own complete personal supposition. How in the world would this have been a judging scandal? You don't know that had Yu-Na had mistakes that Mao wouldn't have won. The fact is, none of us have any clue what the judges would have done had the skaters performed differently.
Well, the protocols are out already and Yuna got nearly 18 points on GOEs alone, and I think I am not alone in thinking that GOEs are subjective. Even with a great skate, that's a very high number. Also, I am not alone in asserting that PCS is determined by reputation.
Please, please do remember that I am not saying Yuna doesn't deserve gold. She completely deserves it because of the performance SHE gave.
Oh sorry, i didnt forget but it is more like I was dressing the Barbie back then, I haven't watched that OlysIn fact, 4. There was Oksana Baiul 1994, when Nancy Kerrigan was the favourite. Nobody seems to remember her.
Completely agree with the placements, no contestation whatsoever. However, the issue of GOE as being too subjective and having too much influence was proven rather than disproven I think.
Regarding Mao's choices, I think that she had really no other choice. Two years ago, CoP suddenly started telling her she couldn't do 3-3s. And she saw that GoEs were only going to be given to people who had a speedy and powerful style. If she was going to have any chance at gold, she had to focus on her triple-axel, despite the fact that, under the current system, even doing such a special element as the triple-axel doesn't have the dividends it should.
Mao has improved hugely over these past two years. She's physically much more stronger, and still improving every day. her spiral improved again, and even though the camera work didn't let me see clearly, I was amazed to see that she had a noticable delay on her flip!
The next hurdle will be the lutz, and I really hope that she will have/already has a jump coach that can help her feel fully secure about her jump technique.
I really wonder if Mao will part from Tarasova? I didn't really like Bells as a program, but I completely understood where it was coming from. Tarasova has also made other programs for Mao that are my favorites. I do think that Tarasova understands the beauty of Mao's style and how to showcase it well in programs. What I do think (and this is so completely a figment of my imagination) is that Tat did not understand how to interact with Mao to bring out the best in her in competition. I used to watch Tarasova glaring at Mao and wind her up saying 'just do it' right before her performance and think 'God, that is the worst thing to do to a girl like Mao.' However, at the Olympics, I was glad to see that Mao was just left alone to collect herself before going out into the rink, and I think this was what Mao needs to gather herself together. And so I think that maybe Tat finally got the hang of 'Mao'. I wouldn't mind if Mao continued to be coached byTat for a while longer. I think Tat could come up with masterpiece programs for Mao.
But anyway, this is all totally my own imagining, so maybe they'll part. It may also be that things like Tat's health, distance, will lead to other arrangements.
Thank-you, Tinman. Please let us know when you make it to Oz and get your heart. While you're there, get the scarecrow treatment too.
Thank-you for clarifying, now I get your point. I don't agree with the fact that she didn't deserve the high GOE, though. Those jumps were smooth and flowy. So much so I yelled out from my couch after one of them, "If I'm the judge, I'm giving her huge GOE for that one!" but you are right that skating is subjective and where I see that she did deserve the big marks, you didn't and I'm fine with that Potato, potahto. I don't think there would have been a controversy, though. Had she had a few ice wipes, the program wouldn't have had the same flow & emotion and the PCS would probably have been lower. I have faith in these judges and thought they did pretty well. The CoP still needs tweaking but without it, D/W and V/M could never have made the podium. In the 6.0 system, they would have been ignored. In the 6.0 system, PLushy and Mao would have won based on the jumps only and that beautiful Yu-Na skate would have been silver. I don't want us to go back to that. There will always be an element of subjectivity to skating so long as we want it to be artistic & it's the artistic that makes it beautiful & unique, and not just athletic. I hate Picasso, I prefer Monet. Someone else might prefer a Kandinsky, which I think looks like paint splatter my 6-yr-old could do. Know what I mean? The CoP needs some changes but, all in all, it's a far better system than 6.0.
I am wondering... where do you rank Yuna's LP with other winners? I think it's among the best skate from a winner in a very long time.
Anyway, I think CoP has the potential to be a better system than 6.0, but I'm not seeing much difference in terms of subjectivity/objectivity. Except now, it's easier to see how subjective judging can be.
So hard to say. I'm giving an opinion here without looking element to element. Tara Lipinski was great but I don't know in CoP what the PCS would have been like for her. The programs were cutesy. They suited her but I'm not sure they'd be considered high in the PCS dept now. MK could have scored high in PCS. Would she have beaten Lipinski in Nagano in CoP? Sarah Hughes would not have been higher than Yu-na, IMO. I would not rate Okasana Baiul's higher. Kristi Yamaguchi had an exceptional skate in 92 (with triple-triples!).
How'd I miss her? Of course, Shiza, tooI love Shizuka's program too
I'm sorry, we obviously have very different opinions (not that there's anything wrong with that). When I look at the protocols and see what the judges actually did, I think it's far more fair and far less subjective. I do not feel there was subjectivity in Yu-Nas GOES, as per my comprehension of the CoP. Let's say, for argument's sake, we remove GOES. What incentive is there for the skaters to do the jumps properly if we only gave them a tick in the box for a completed element. All winter sports with "elements", that aren't just races or games, are judged on the quality of the elements done (moguls, aerials, ski jumping...) The only way to make it completely unsubjective is to remove the artistic side of it completely because art is, inherently, subjective. But then skating would lose what makes it so enjoyable that Millions of people worldwide who know nothing about figure skating tune in to watch it, making it one of, if not the, premiere event of the winter Olympics. To me, if the ISU were ever to kill the artistic component, it would be "the night they killed figure skating."
GOEs don't measure artistry. That's more reflected in PCS.