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I bet Joannie has a lot of admirers and guys vying for her attention.![]()
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I bet Joannie has a lot of admirers and guys vying for her attention.![]()
Sorry if this has been addressed, but what was Mao's team thinking when they constructed her LP base value? It is over 5 points lower than Yu Na's. I wonder how they thought they were going to make that up? Or were they counting on Yu Na to make a mistake? There is nothing wrong with Mao's skating. She compares favorably or the same with Yu Na on spins, spirals and steps. She needs to call Akiko Suzuki's coach and choreograher immediately to find a way to extract more points from her programs. It's too late for this year, but not for next.
The lower base value you see reflects the fact that she popped the 3T and had a downgrade on her 3F in her three-jump combo. When you account for those jumps — her base value is actually 3 points higher than Yuna's.
Jenni VähämaaLaura and Kiira have both already confirmed they are going to continue so far. Jenni Vähämaa (now 17) was a very promising skater; have once beaten all Finns and even Carolina Kostner in Finland Trophy 2007, but after an injyry she did not find motivation tos skate. But I have read she has started praciticing on the ice again. We will see next year if she is back or not.
Finally, Olympic is over. Now I feel relieved and somewhat empty ...![]()
So happy to watch such a great competition with Yuna's absolutely beautiful & perfect performances, Mao's 3 Axels ( They could be downgraded, yet ratified anyway), Joannie's touching & courageous performances and so on.
Thank you, all skaters ... Especially I feel so grateful for Yuna to deliver such gorgeous & glorious SP & LP overcoming all the pressure. She made skating world proud. I believe Yuna's Olympic performances will be remembered in skating history book and in the heart of men for ages. I can't help watching them over and over againCongratulations, Yuna, our new Olympic Champion.
Thank God for giving this beautiful Gift to this skaing world. :thumbsup:
Well, that's good to know. I still think Mao needs a COP expert to help her. She seems to be going after points in the hardest possible way. When a 3T-3T is worth about the same as a 3-axel or when Akiko Suzuki can figure out a way to do 7 triples without a 3-3, Mao should be able to construct her program in a way that will garner more points with less risk. Until the system changes, 3-axels for ladies remain high risk, low reward.
She and Plushenko suffered the same fate in thinking that landing a big jump or two would save them. Both were wrong. Since both have Russian coaches, I am thinking maybe they are not really learning the CoP right in that country? Mao needs to get away from Tat ASAP. If she wants to do chreo, fine, Tat is capable of loevly chreography for Mao (remember Ladies in Lavender? ). But she needs a technical coach who can really work the system with her. If Mao still has 3 axels consistent next year I don't think she should be giving them up, but she does need to start working on her lutz again.
Mao's problem is that she would screw up other jumps if she corrected Lutz. Many of her triples, let alone triple combinations, are a suspect at best, which is why she needs to hold onto triple axel. As demonstrated in the Olympic, she had to lose a lot of weight to hit the axel. The downside of it is to lose stamina -- she suffered a few lapses into the later part of the program.
Right now, she talks about a quad because it is almost impossible to correct some of the triples at this moment. Quad is an impossibility for her, I think, without some kind of super amazing prerotation which is not subject to downgrade.
Mao's problem is that she would screw up other jumps if she corrected Lutz. Many of her triples, let alone triple combinations, are a suspect at best, which is why she needs to hold onto triple axel. As demonstrated in the Olympic, she had to lose a lot of weight to hit the axel. The downside of it is to lose stamina -- she suffered a few lapses into the later part of the program.
Right now, she talks about a quad because it is almost impossible to correct some of the triples at this moment. Quad is an impossibility for her, I think, without some kind of super amazing prerotation which is not subject to downgrade.
Did you watch the men's event? Brezina, Kozuka, Ten, Borodulin, etc all got held down because of PCS. Mirai is 16 and they can do that because she's young. I don't like it but it's just what happens.
miki88, thanks for pointing out the error about quad. I thought I read it in a newspaper article, but I might be wrong. In fact, I think I am wrong as I might have read it in a forum. A hearsay or someone's opinion. I will let stand other things I said about Mao.
silverlake22, you got some good points there. Mao has tight revolution in the air, but because she slows down before take-off -- her skating does not have much speed to begin with -- she really has to rely on her leg, more specifically her knee, in order to gain the height necessary. That is why she needs power and stamina. It is a dilemma. For this Olympic, she lost weight at the expense of stamina and power. In the long run, she really needs to focus on basic training instead of jumping in order to keep her weight down yet be able to sustain the power. Can she keep it up in the long run? That is the question.
Problem is, due to the fact that she fails to convert speed into jump, Mao loses jumping height/distance. Since she has tight revolution in the air, she can hit triple axel. However, because of the poor entance, the lack of jumping height/distance, etc., she does not gain as many GoE points as Yu-Na does. GoE points are added to each jump, so after 7 jumps in free skating, the difference in GoE bonus can become insurmountable assuming no mistakes on either skater. When you see them skating in person not on TV, the difference between the two in terms of jump is simply tremendous. That is one of the main reasons that hitting triple axel is not an answer unless the scoring system goes back to the old regime. Even if the base score for triple axel goes up, it is highly doubtful that she can beat Yu-Na unless Yu-Na beats herself by making tons of mistakes.
So, Mao has a big decision to make in terms of what to focus on. Of course, whether or not Yu-Na turns pro would be critical in Mao's decision because Yu-Na's turning pro means that she really does not have to rely on triple axel so heavily.
Again, it is just my opinion.
People seem to like Mirai's bubbly personality and are saying that Yuna has no fire. While Mirai shows lots of potential, she was just happy to be there. Yuna was there to win.
I really like Mirai's performance and enjoy every bit in her programs. For Yuna, I think there was fire in her short program esp with the footwalk but not so much in th long program because I think for the geshiwen's piece, Yuna shows more about the joy, the freedom in her skating other than fire and I really like it as well.