Yuna have should have gotten lower scores for interpretation(IN) and performance/execution (PE) which she tied with Mao in the LP, because the mistakes took away from the interpretation of the music and her overall performance. As, I've said we are entitled to our own opinions, so I don't really want to argue with you on this if you really believed she deserves her PCS.
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Yuna have should have gotten lower scores for interpretation(IN) and performance/execution (PE) which she tied with Mao in the LP, because the mistakes took away from the interpretation of the music and her overall performance. As, I've said we are entitled to our own opinions, so I don't really want to argue with you on this if you really believed she deserves her PCS.
It is very interesting to see why so many people here think that cleaning elements should garantee higher PCS. I am not saying that they are totally irrelavant but not as much as some of posters here think they should be. Otherwise, what is the point of having PCS? We should just get rid of music and PCS and evaluate only skater's athletic skills.:think:
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It is always fun to look at the protocols and try to guess with judge is from which nation.
For instance, one judge gave Yu-na Kim a total of 20 GOE points, compared to an average of 11 from the rest of the panel.
But also one judge gave Mao Asada a total of 24 GOE points, compared to an average of 9.75 for the rest of the panel.
It is easy to surmise that the judge who liked Kim so much was the Korean judge. But Japan did not have a judge on the panel, so which one of the judges was the big Mao fan?
By the way, the assistant technical specialist for this event was Anett Poetzsch, the controversial 1980 Olympic champion. Poetzsch later married Katarina Witt's brother, appropriately named "Axel Witt."
Mao's program was all about jumps. Clean program does not equal high pcs. Plus, she wasn't into her performance as much as she was at the olympics and despite the mistakes i think she skated better at the olympics. Here at the worlds she was just focusing too much on her jumps that she was missing the interpretation which she already doesn't have. As for Yuna, I think her PCS was well desereved because her performance was flawless and her jumps were even better than the olympics until the 3s. Just because she made 2 mistakes it doesn't change much of her skating skills, transitions (1 is missing but still there are plenty), performance/execution, choreography, and interpretation. Plus it was lower than what she got at 2009 TEB. Even her scores, she got almost 134 without flip so if she had that flip she probably scored around 140. Without 3S and 2A she got 130 here. I don't see any overscoring. Also, as I said this many times before, stop complaining about GOE and go to ISU website and see the GOE guidelines. It is pretty clear why Yuna get high GOEs amd Mao doesn't.
Maybe she/he is just generous and gave high GOEs to everyone lol
Lepisto Bronze? Must be all those amazing double jumps! 6th place in the free with that content.
I won't bother to defend Michelle against the description of her 1998 program offered by chachacha (you know pretty much what I'd say). Instead, I'll defend Lori Nichol, its choreographer. No program Nichol designed was ever juniorish. In case anyone wants to see a broader resume of her work, check out the "Love Story" program she created for Sale and Pelletier in the 2002 Olympics and Grand Prix Final, Shen and Zhao's program from this year, and Kwan's "Song of the Black Swan" from 2001 or thereabouts. I would also question, on behalf of designer Vera Wang, the comment that Kwan's costume looked "cheap." Compared to Tara Lipinski's necessarily girlish ruffled attire (she was something like 15 at the time), Kwan's dress looked sleek and timeless.
Oh, well, I can't resist....as for Kwan's performance, if it had been that juniorish, I doubt she'd have ended up ranked higher than former world champion Chen Lu, who (if memory serves) skated one of the performances of her life to win the bronze.
Oh, well, I can't resist....as for Kwan's performance, if it had been that juniorish, I doubt she'd have ended up ranked higher than former world champion Chen Lu, who (if memory serves) skated one of the performances of her life to win the bronze.
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I think the Kwan-uber in me is hyperventilating now, just totally heaving for breath in disbelief and shock
. Michelle's Olympic skate was in NO WAY juniorish. If more skaters could skate like her, I would have no other wish in the world. Does doing a 3-2 combo make her a junior? If so, then only Yu-na and Laura were seniors at this competition 
. MK's costume was stunning on her. Her elegance was evident for everyone to see. Yes, she was a bit tentative compared to Nationals, but she still was the whole package for me. I thought the OGM went to Tara rightfully, but that doesn't make the Kween's skate any less great.
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Do you really believe that Mao's IN and PE should be the same as Yuna's IN and PE when Yuna didn't make those mistakes? IMO, I don't think majority of people would agree except for Mao bots.
Yuna got already peneralized for the mistakes on her PET and a bit on PCS as you suggested it should. So I don't understand why you are whining about Yuna getting the same IN and PE as what Mao got.
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Who was more robbed at the 2002 Olympics, Michelle Kwan, who should have been second in the LP and hence first overall, or Irina Slutskaya, who should have been first in the SP and hence first overall?
Axel Clan, Quad Gang
:thumbsup: Hail to the Axel clan. I see a lot of people in here who should follow in her footsteps. "Quad Doe," anyone?
It is always fun to look at the protocols and try to guess with judge is from which nation.
For instance, one judge gave Yu-na Kim a total of 20 GOE points, compared to an average of 11 from the rest of the panel.
But also one judge gave Mao Asada a total of 24 GOE points, compared to an average of 9.75 for the rest of the panel.
It is easy to surmise that the judge who liked Kim so much was the Korean judge. But Japan did not have a judge on the panel, so which one of the judges was the big Mao fan?
By the way, the assistant technical specialist for this event was Anett Poetzsch, the controversial 1980 Olympic champion. Poetzsch later married Katarina Witt's brother, appropriately named "Axel Witt."
:thumbsup: Hail to the Axel clan. I see a lot of people in here who should follow in her footsteps. "Quad Doe," anyone?
IMAO. This is irrelevant to the situation. I said Yuna shouldn't have gotten higher PCS with the mistakes she had made. Also, it is TES. Do you really understand skating? And if you read the posts, there are quite a few people who agree with me; even some Yuna fans. And by the way, I do like Yuna's skating and other skaters. And I don't understand why you can't just accept that other people have different opinions. :sheesh:
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I don't agree with this last sentence. Not at all. Earlier in the year Kim's performance and interpretation were greatly superior to Asada's, as was reflected in the string of record-setting scores that Kim rightly received.
But in this competition I thought Mao finally came to grips with her dramatic music, while Yu-na's efforts were uninspired.
No big deal. You can't skate the performance of your life every time out. This particular competition was a valley for Kim and a peak for Asada, in terms of performance quality. (Hey, Maria Butyrskaya beat Michelle Kwan for the 1999 World Championship. Stuff happens.)
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The situation is really confusing for the American ladies now - as it has been for a while. Usual strategy in the Grand Prix would be to keep your top skaters separate so they don't eliminate each other from the Final. But who are they? Mirai and Rachael went to the Olympics and Worlds, but What's-Her-Name has a medal from a major senior ISU championship, something none of the other girls have. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out ........... as it always is.
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As sensible as that strategy sounds, I have never seen the USFSA follow it, so I don't think that "usual" is the right word.
The US will have no seeded skaters in ladies next year
(Last year Rachael was seeded, so some of the choice was taken off the table). The only real choice the USFSA will have is who to invite to Skate America. I think it will be Mirai and Rachael, if Rachael competes -- Mirai and Ashley otherwise. (Just my guess.)
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I'm really stunned that Laura manages to do so well with 3 triples in the LP. It makes me wonder about Alissa, she has great qualities and usually does 3 triples in the LP but she's never scored anywhere close to 114 and doesn't get great PCS either. Is Alissa's slowness really that bad? I'm just starting to wonder that if Lepisto can win bronze with 3 triples that if a skater like Alissa or Caroline could figure out her secret they maybe could do as well as she does too.
I just watched both long programs. I'm no great shakes as a jump analyst, so I'll leave that to the rest of you. One thing I noticed is that Mao has really splendid carriage, especially during her spiral. I also prefer her arm positions and movements to YuNa's. I don't know how to describe this in any technical way, but YuNa seems to lead with her shoulders, rather than carrying through all the way to her fingertips, as Mao does. On the other hand, of course, YuNa has those gargantuan, spacious jumps. Also, her music and choreography are much more to my liking, especially in the Gershwin. In terms of projection of personality, YuNa projects serenity, while Mao seems to exude determination. It's a delight to see Mao at her best as she was this weekend, but YuNa was no slouch, either. It wasn't her peak performance, but as one of you said, you can't have the skate of your life every time, and YuNa gave us that for the Olympics.
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If Racheal does not do the GP which I find likely, Mirai will have the pressure of being the top american lady. I think she will certainly be given SA. Ashley i guess is next in line with Sasha if she decides to compete (yeah right). I have a feeling they might throw Caroline into SA with Mirai and play up the rivalry angle...not that there is one anymore.
I apologize if I offended you in anyway. I was just curious why people think that Yuna's PCS scores are not deserved. I respect other people's opinions and ideas only if they can back up their statements. Otherswise, they are doing nothing but bashing, IMO.:think:PS. Thank you for correcting my typo. I feel really stupid.
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